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Originally Posted by ricebowl
(Post 13327398)
Surly the next rivendell?
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that's the spirit, the fans are doing their part.
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Originally Posted by ricebowl
(Post 13327855)
that's the spirit, the fans are doing there part.
Are there any beers left? There are your friends. They lost their car. good on that? Don't forget they're as in they are. =] |
Originally Posted by FrenchFit
(Post 13327023)
Have some more koolaid. Surly is part of the Quality Brand Products corporate conglomerate which includes Salsa, Problems Solvers, All City, etc. This is not a company of 20 people working out of brick building in the soho district. The whole Surly thing may be cool marketing, I appalaud the courage to be different, but it is as intentional as the fire red rims on your fixie.
Originally Posted by modernjess
(Post 13327347)
Surly and their other small bike brands have absolutely benefited from the proximity to the industry, the product knowledge, and the distribution which comes from Q. But to dismiss it as a calculated corporate marketing shill is an uninformed opinion and frankly insulting to the dedicated bike nerds that invented, market, and ride the Surly brand every day. But trust me, they don't care what you think.
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Originally Posted by modernjess
(Post 13327347)
Actually Surly IS a company of about 20 people who only work on Surly at QBP and they are responsible for everything except manufacturing. They really live the brand everyday and have fought for their independence.
Don't get me wrong. I really like Surly. I like their bikes. I've had good experiences with their customer service (which has led me to believe that they do, in fact, care what I think). I even enjoy the clever commentary on their web site. That doesn't change the fact that the edgy attitude is part of their brand. |
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Cross Check: $1099
Long Haul Trucker: $1099 Pugsley (snow blind white build) : $1550 Pacer: $1175 Big Dummy: $1840 Karate Monkey: $1050 Steamroller: $720-$799 Troll: ? Ogre: ?? Moonlander: ??? These are prices found online. The price for the CC is similar to what I paid at the LBS. Can anyone find information on the price of the Troll, Ogre, and Moonlander complete builds? Thanks |
Originally Posted by irclean
(Post 13325448)
I have yet to enjoy a full glass of Surly Kool-Aid, but I did get a sip (note forks):
http://i.imgur.com/ZEDQMl.jpg |
Originally Posted by wolfchild
(Post 13329230)
That's just wrong , you need a Surly frame to match that fork. ( I'm just joking)
http://i.imgur.com/hjY5il.jpg |
http://surlylonghaultrucker.com/
pardon me, my ignorance is showing. i am not familiar with the brand of bike i'm seeing. i googled for prices and found this weird little site with some specs and prices. i probably need a troll (with ogre handlebars maybe), for all my bridges. :P cool bikes. |
Originally Posted by Andy_K
(Post 13322366)
Well, since I'm sure no one is sincere, I guess I'll have to start growing bamboo to build my own bike. But can I trust myself?
Down with capitalism! Vive la revolution! But what I was actually saying is, don't buy things just because the company website seems cool. That said, I own a Surly. Love Surly as well. |
Originally Posted by modernjess
(Post 13327347)
Actually Surly IS a company of about 20 people who only work on Surly at QBP and they are responsible for everything except manufacturing. They really live the brand everyday and have fought for their independence. And yes indeed it is housed and was formed at QBP (Quality Bicycle Products BTW) which is not a corporate conglomerate but a privately held company that mainly distributes bike parts to shops in North America. The vast majority of employees at Q work on that effort.
Surly and their other small bike brands have absolutely benefited from the proximity to the industry, the product knowledge, and the distribution which comes from Q. But to dismiss it as a calculated corporate marketing shill is an uninformed opinion and frankly insulting to the dedicated bike nerds that invented, market, and ride the Surly brand every day. But trust me, they don't care what you think. Your little privately owned Q company was...$180 million in revenue last year? Just a little boutique operation I'm sure. What's your CEO's comp plan? |
Originally Posted by FrenchFit
(Post 13329820)
The volkswagon of the bicycle industry. 20 people who can't make a bike, but do know marketing and utilitarian design..and how to source know-how from ...overseas? Nothing wrong with it, I suppose one day I might own a Surly...it could happen...I have fugly moments. The calculated counter-culture, hipness of Surly marketing? - a finger down my throat moment. I'll take a Artcrank Trek, thanks.
Your little privately owned Q company was...$180 million in revenue last year? Just a little boutique operation I'm sure. What's your CEO's comp plan? |
they could give their road forks a nicer curve. A bottle opener near the head tube or seat cluster would be nice.
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
(Post 13330216)
^^^ I detect a bit of a surly tone in your answer. Ironic metaphor? Sincere dooshbaggery?
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I don't find Surly's marketing to be very appealing. It reads like they are trying a little too hard to be bike messengers or hipsters or something. However, I do have a Surly frame, and am very pleased with it.
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