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Remember to trust your instincts.
Friendly reminder to always trust your instincts. As seen in the video I was almost hit/right hooked last night. As I approached my gut told me to hold up. I do my best to avoid being next to any cars while crossing intersections. For some reason, in a split sec, I decided to power past this car. They decided to turn, with no signal and without looking. No contact, but it was close.
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I think calling this a right hook minimizes the insanity of what I consider a right hook -- the driver approaches from the rear and starts turning right when they could still see you out of the windshield if they bothered to look. I generally see nothing wrong with passing on the right, but if you are approaching an intersection, there is probably a reason that vehicle is going slow. I would not voluntarily put myself to the right of a vehicle that is going slower than I would normally expect when approaching an intersection. In that situation, my instinct says "stay away."
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I'm confused, you say your gut told you to hold up...why didn't you. Instead you gunned it and put yourself in the cars' crosshairs. Which gut are you listening to? I always would err on the side of caution and play defensive cycler, hold back or next time you could get squished.
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Originally Posted by unterhausen
(Post 13444704)
I think calling this a right hook minimizes the insanity of what I consider a right hook -- the driver approaches from the rear and starts turning right when they could still see you out of the windshield if they bothered to look. I generally see nothing wrong with passing on the right, but if you are approaching an intersection, there is probably a reason that vehicle is going slow. I would not voluntarily put myself to the right of a vehicle that is going slower than I would normally expect when approaching an intersection. In that situation, my instinct says "stay away."
There was traffic a head of them and the light had just turned green, so they were not going unusually slow. It is an intersection where the right turn lane is before the cross of the streets, kind of like on and off ramps. |
Wow scary situation. Looks like the car was braking for the turn as you were passing, I think I would have held back in that situation. I certianly would have slowed and not tried to "power past" that car. Passing on the right is not a good idea.
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Originally Posted by roboconn
(Post 13444954)
I'm confused, you say your gut told you to hold up...why didn't you. Instead you gunned it and put yourself in the cars' crosshairs. Which gut are you listening to? I always would err on the side of caution and play defensive cycler, hold back or next time you could get squished.
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Originally Posted by bhchdh
(Post 13445094)
Wow scary situation. Looks like the car was braking for the turn as you were passing, I think I would have held back in that situation. I certianly would have slowed and not tried to "power past" that car. Passing on the right is not a good idea.
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Looks like normal driving behavior, at least on the occasional trip I make to that part of the world...
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Scary, I know that feeling.
I hate it when I'm cruising along and someone decides to pass me, then move into my lane and make a right turn. Happens all the time out here in the IE. |
glad your OK
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Thanks for sharing. I learned from years training relative to target shooting that complacency/getting overly comfortable with equipment/situations leads to accidents. Same is true here. It's easy to forget best practices, even for an instant and bad things can happen. I appreciate the reminder.
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it's a tough one, legally I don't think there is any question. No turn signals, failed to merge into the bike lanes, how are you supposed to know?
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Originally Posted by weshigh
(Post 13445122)
The camera also have a wider frame of view that I do to that side, I never saw the brake lights come on.
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How were they supposed to see you? In the dark sections I didn't see the light from your headlight on the ground. Also, passing on the right through intersections is dangerous enough, and doing it at night in the drivers blind spot adds to the risk. Bike lane or not, the car still needs to cross it in order to turn.
I was almost "right hooked" a couple of weeks ago from a similar situation but during the day. If I had gotten hit it would have been my fault. Ride so that if you were driving you'd not run yourself over. |
When I am reaching an intersection and a car passes me and appears to be turning right in front of me, I move left into their lane behind them. That way if they try to kill me with a right hook, I simply pass them on the left instead of trying to to pass them on the right or slowing down enough to still allow them to killing me, and if they continue to proceed straight ahead it is they that are holding up traffic from behind not me. Sometimes rather than being threatened by cars, you can use those same cars as moving safety barriers. Just because some s#!thead in a car is "unconscious" doesn't mean that I am going to slow down and stay within their "sphere of influence" long enough for them to figure out how to kill me. Sometimes I even leave them a permanent reminder of their "inattentiveness" by elbowing a body panel.......
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Originally Posted by somedood
(Post 13445485)
How were they supposed to see you? In the dark sections I didn't see the light from your headlight on the ground. Also, passing on the right through intersections is dangerous enough, and doing it at night in the drivers blind spot adds to the risk. Bike lane or not, the car still needs to cross it in order to turn.
I was almost "right hooked" a couple of weeks ago from a similar situation but during the day. If I had gotten hit it would have been my fault. Ride so that if you were driving you'd not run yourself over. |
Originally Posted by Stealthammer
(Post 13445488)
When I am reaching an intersection and a car passes me and appears to be turning right in front of me, I move left into their lane behind them. That way if they try to kill me with a right hook, I simply pass them on the left instead of trying to to pass them on the right or slowing down enough to still allow them to killing me, and if they continue to proceed straight ahead it is they that are holding up traffic from behind not me. Sometimes rather than being threatened by cars, you can use those same cars as moving safety barriers. Just because some s#!thead in a car is "unconscious" doesn't mean that I am going to slow down and stay within their "sphere of influence" long enough for them to figure out how to kill me. Sometimes I even leave them a permanent reminder of their "inattentiveness" by elbowing a body panel.......
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Originally Posted by myrridin
(Post 13445463)
Either you have incredibly bad eyesight or the camera had an extreme wide-angle lens. If the former you shouldn't be on the street and the video indicates the later is not true; therefore, you simply were not paying adequate attention,
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I DO listen to my gut, which is why I avoided a situation almost identical to that video while riding today. I just KNEW the clown in the white Caddy was gonna turn, signal or no (he didn't). I coasted behind him about six feet, and when he turned, my drill sergeant voice bellowed, "NICE SIGNAL, MOTHERF-!"
After that, I was able to let the outrage evaporate....... |
glad you are ok.
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Originally Posted by unterhausen
(Post 13445400)
it's a tough one, legally I don't think there is any question. No turn signals, failed to merge into the bike lanes, how are you supposed to know?
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Originally Posted by somedood
(Post 13445485)
In the dark sections I didn't see the light from your headlight on the ground.
You can see the bluish light from his headlight in the video. And possibly a reflection of the light in the rear passenger side and front fenders. |
Originally Posted by bhchdh
(Post 13445835)
You can see the bluish light from his headlight in the video. And possibly a reflection of the light in the rear passenger side and front fenders.
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You weren't wrong, but you weren't right. Glad you didn't get smashed!
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Glad you didn't get hit... Now go wash your mouth out with soap!! :D
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Yeah, pretty boneheaded move on your part, but the driver definitely wasn't paying attention and messed up too. Glad you're okay.
I have two rules when riding my bike in the city: 1.) Don't pass on the right, especially when there are driveways, exits, intersections available for drivers to suddenly turn into. 2.) Assume nobody can see you and isn't paying any attention whatsoever. You've got to ride extra-smart to make up for all of the stupidity out there driving around. |
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