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Wolfwerx 11-07-11 03:30 PM

Chris in Miami: That bike is very eye-catching, I like it.

SlimRider 11-07-11 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by imi (Post 13462109)
waaaaahhhhhh!!!!! :d :d amazing!!!!!

Don't see too many mtb's in the tdf either do we slim! :beer:

A g r e e d ! :beer:

- Slim :)

Seattle Forrest 11-07-11 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by DX-MAN (Post 13456807)
Most of the naysayers are skinny-tire fanatics who feel you're not "cycling" unless you're doing 20 in traffic. Or, weight weenies......

You seem bitter.

SlimRider 11-07-11 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13464578)
Don't try this at home... or on your CF road bike.


Wow!

Thanks for this, Sixty!

...These bikes are truly amazing...

...Whatever, you call 'em!

- Slim :)

Sixty Fiver 11-07-11 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by SlimRider (Post 13464666)
Wow!

Thanks for this, Sixty!

...These bikes are truly amazing...

...Whatever, you call 'em!

- Slim :)

The rider (Danny Macaskill) is amazing... he is the best trials rider in the world and believe he is the same rider in the video you posted with the Raleigh carbon fibre bike.

One can see how much more a purpose built trials bike can take and do... they tend to be exceptionally strong and freakishly lightweight.

alan s 11-07-11 03:51 PM

I'm going to try some of those moves on my ride home tonight.:D

Call an ambulance.

Seattle Forrest 11-07-11 04:18 PM

Nobody's seen the video of the guy doing crazy stunts on a carbon road bike, then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z1fSpZNXhU&noredirect=1

It starts getting interesting about a minute in.

Sixty Fiver 11-07-11 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest (Post 13464824)
Nobody's seen the video of the guy doing crazy stunts on a carbon road bike, then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z1fSpZNXhU&noredirect=1

It starts getting interesting about a minute in.

Already posted... hence my response above.

Pretty freaking amazing anyways.

Sixty Fiver 11-07-11 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by alan s (Post 13464730)
I'm going to try some of those moves on my ride home tonight.:D

Call an ambulance.

Better pack some extra band aids...


cyccommute 11-07-11 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13464915)
Better pack some extra band aids...

While the videos you posted show some magical stuff, this one is probably more indicative of of what to expect if an ordinary mortal were to try riding a carbon road bike...or any skinny tired road bike... off-road. It's probably pretty indicative of what most mere mortals can expect if they go hucking their bikes off of 20 foot drops too. To get to the level of skill that the trials guys are at, you have to have eaten enough dirt to have a gizzard:rolleyes:

Sixty Fiver 11-07-11 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 13465044)
While the videos you posted show some magical stuff, this one is probably more indicative of of what to expect if an ordinary mortal were to try riding a carbon road bike...or any skinny tired road bike... off-road. To get to the level of skill that the trials guys are at, you have to have eaten enough dirt to have a gizzard:rolleyes:

The best riders in the world are the ones who have survived the most crashes... have taken some big air on some rides and lived to be here to talk about it.

Seattle Forrest 11-07-11 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13464869)
Already posted... hence my response above.

That's interesting, because your comment above ( 'Don't try this at home... or on your CF road bike.' ) is what reminded me of this video...

SlimRider 11-07-11 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13464915)
Better pack some extra band aids...


Damned Video Gave Me A Freaking Headache! :lol::roflmao2::lol:

Thanks, Sixty!

- Slim :)

SlimRider 11-07-11 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by alan s (Post 13464730)
I'm going to try some of those moves on my ride home tonight.:D

Call an ambulance.

Wonder how many casualties Danny Macaskill is responsible for, when people like you feel overly inspired? :roflmao2:

- Slim :)

PS.

I'll keep you in my prayers, Alan...

hopperja 11-08-11 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by Schwinnrider (Post 13457121)
There's nothing slow about 26 inch wheels. I'm just as fast on my Bridgestone XO-2 as on my Gunnar Sport. I know people who commute on Bike Fridays, and those have 20 inch wheels. Those guys fly.

Now, if you're talking about flat bar MTB vs drop bar 26 inch wheeled bike, you may have a point. Aerodynamics and all that jazz.

Perhaps you're right, given your bikes and their particular geometries. I find that I'm about 3 mph slower on either my R20 or Caldera vs. my Surly Crosscheck or Trek 300 series. It probably has nothing to do with wheelsize or gearing. The Caldera has the widest gear range of the four, followed by the Crosscheck, the Trek, and lastly the R20. Riding position probably plays into it, but my Crosscheck is about as upright as the Trek and only slightly less upright than the other two. I nearly always ride in the hoods, not in the drops. The Caldera is the most upright, yet I'm just as slow on it as I am on the R20. For me, the thing that makes the biggest difference seems to be crank arm length. My Crosscheck and Trek have 175mm crank arms, while the other two have 170mm crank arms. I feel like I get more out of each pedal stroke with the longer crank arms.

hopperja 11-08-11 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13464692)
The rider (Danny Macaskill) is amazing... he is the best trials rider in the world and believe he is the same rider in the video you posted with the Raleigh carbon fibre bike...

Well, best is subjective. I would consider Ryan Leach to be his equal.

Sixty Fiver 11-08-11 11:29 PM

Mountain bikes make excellent tow vehicles due to their ability to rock some very low gearing... not that a nearly empty Chariot is much to drag around.

This bike's primary purpose is to rock the single track but I sometimes commute on it and use it for towing.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...11chariot1.JPG
2001 Rocky Mountain Blizzard - Chariot trailer

adgmobile 11-17-11 09:32 AM

Just wanted to interject that any cheapo ballon tire cruiser can cover the terrain in OP's pic.

Mark Stone 11-17-11 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by adgmobile (Post 13503608)
Just wanted to interject that any cheapo ballon tire cruiser can cover the terrain in OP's pic.

What's a Ballon tire?

Grim 11-17-11 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by borobike (Post 13457431)
Let me present a different perspective...

http://www.off-road.com/aimages/arti...00617/rear.jpg

Jacked up Blazers are used for commuting. They're used for quick errands. They're used for trips. They're used for trail-blazing, and jumps. They are used for the casual recreational Sunday drive. They are used for utilitarian purposes. They are used for cross country events. They are used in racing. They traverse all terrains, without any difficulty. There are places that a jacked up truck can go that neither the family sedan or luxury car, would dare enter.

Doesn't make much sense, right? How often are many of us driving or riding over rocks that would really require a jacked up truck or a MTB?

I'm not discounting those of you who use MTBs for commuting. But, really, in their stock forms they aren't best suited for the task. I'm betting that most people who seriously intend to commute via MTB remove the knobby tires in favor of slicks or near-slicks, which takes away a lot of the offroad capability and versatility they initially have.

I would like to note however that one big exception would be for winter cycling in some areas, when we're talking about serious obstructions. During that time those knobby tires will help, and many people in those states often switch over to a 4WD/AWD vehicle as well. If I had to commute in places where the snow got thick, I'd want a MTB with seriously knobby tires and gears to get through anything. No questions asked.

Fortunately I live in an area that gets very little snow, and what we do get never sticks to the road. So I don't really need such a bike, much like I don't need a 4WD or AWD vehicle.

I've come from MTBs previously and found them to require more effort in general. Getting on a road bike for the first time was a 'whoa' moment. It almost pedaled itself.
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I loved my Jacked up K5's I drove them everywhere.
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...0&d=1253418975
I hardly EVER ride my Ridgid on the street anymore though. I mostly ride my touring bikes. ;)

adgmobile 11-18-11 03:15 PM

The ones that are about 3 inches wide. Don't know the exact size, just go to walmart and look at the 80$ beach cruisers.

Or hell, here:

http://www.meijer.com/s/26-inch-huff...&cmpid=****ase

canyoneagle 11-18-11 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Grim (Post 13505742)
I loved my Jacked up K5's I drove them everywhere.
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...0&d=1253418975
I hardly EVER ride my Ridgid on the street anymore though. I mostly ride my touring bikes. ;)

Nice rack... umm, I mean, roll bar.
;)

Sixty Fiver 11-18-11 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by canyoneagle (Post 13509043)
Nice rack... umm, I mean, roll bar.
;)

I wasn't going to go there but have to admit that, for the longest time, I had trouble finding the truck in that picture.

Grim 11-18-11 09:19 PM

Yeah she was hell in Dollar (name of the truck because thats what I paid for it). Truck was 7ft tall and she's 5ft. It was quite funny watching her get in.

ThermionicScott 11-18-11 11:20 PM


Originally Posted by adgmobile (Post 13503608)
Just wanted to interject that any cheapo ballon tire cruiser can cover the terrain in OP's pic.

It's a well-known fact that mountain bikes evolved from cruisers. ;)

cyccommute 11-18-11 11:24 PM


Originally Posted by ThermionicScott (Post 13510189)
It's a well-known fact that mountain bikes evolved from cruisers. ;)

Just as the automobile evolved from the ox cart. Has about as much similarity too.

fuzz2050 11-19-11 01:25 AM


Originally Posted by ThermionicScott (Post 13510189)
It's a well-known fact that mountain bikes evolved from cruisers. ;)

A bit of an oversimplification as well, the standard story told is that of Repack Hill, the Schwinn Excelsior, and Gary Fisher. While that did happen, they weren't necessarily the first people to ride a bike off road, just the first people to turn those bikes into a successful business. Charlie Cunnningham, also of Marin built his first mountain bike entirely from scratch, using his aeronautical engineering background, and John Finley Scott of Davis built a mountain bike out of an old ten speed. I'm sure other people were doing other things as well, but thoes are the few stand-outs that I can think of off the top of my head.

LesterOfPuppets 11-19-11 01:37 AM

Way back in the day, like turn of the 20th century, most bikes sold were prepared for riding on dirt since there weren't many paved roads to be found.

Bob Crispin from up this way probably made the first MTB with a disc brake (rear only) in 1975.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6069/6...84b71ef3_b.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2257/2...06f0802c_b.jpg
Bob Crispin - NW 1st MTB #1 by Tankagnolo Bob, on Flickr

Loose Chain 11-19-11 01:47 AM

I disagree, cyclecross bikes are more versatile and much more efficient on the road and mixed use. LC

SlimRider 11-19-11 02:20 AM


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 13510357)
I disagree, cyclecross bikes are more versatile and much more efficient on the road and mixed use. LC

The only difference between a cyclocross bike and a rigid mtb, is primarily the width of the tire used. Since, the width of a cyclocross tire is usually limited to a 35mm width, it would prove to be more "efficient" on paved roads as opposed to trails. However, once we move over to the wooded and rooted trails, the cyclocross bikes drops precipitously in efficiency and loses its level of versatility to the MTB. Whereas the MTB would suffer on pavement, the cyclocross bike would suffer most on extremely difficult terrain.

Therefore, it comes down to the type of terrain within a given area. Hell, on nothing but paved roads, a simple road bike would be ideal, but not versatile. Versatility is owned by that bike which can fill the most roles with the greatest amount of efficiency. The barometer for road efficiency will always be the given terrain.

So, in a way you could be right. However, in the total absence of pavement, you are so very wrong!

- Slim :)


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