Tohtruck says:

Thanks, TohTruck!

At that pricepoint, your best bet would be Craigslist with the assistance of an experience MTN biker, for a used (hopefully chromoly framed) MTB, with a really good fork.

Good call. If you're not that tight with your sister's boyfriend, then it's a wrap, already! 'Cause you're definitely going to need close guidance on that one. Besides, a MTB is high maintenance, especially the Full Suspension ones!


Cool. We've come a long way! :)

Meanwhile, find or locate the exact type of handlebars you desire (like the ones at Phat Cycle). Get the specs on the handlebars you like and report it to REI. They'll then direct you accordingly.

They should have a plethora of all kinds of handlebars. If they don't have it, they can get it!

They've got almost as many handlebars, as they have handlebar manufacturers...

Looks like you have a Kalloy aluminum stem for the Buzz One. That usually calls for an aluminum handlebar, as well. Unless, you're going to go carbon fiber.

Grips are very important! I once had a bike that didn't have any grips at all. My teeth rattled and the bike seemed like it was rolling along the San Andreas fault line. After I replaced the grips, the bike seemed to be fine. No more rattling of the teeth, that's for sure!

I like a certain type of Bontrager grips. You could get those, along with a nice pair of gloves. You've got to get a nice pair of glove, TohTruck. There's just nothing like having a good set of grips and a nice pair of gloves in combo.

The saddle is usually the first thing to get upgraded, so no worries there! That's pretty common!


So, what does that mean, exactly? Novara is REI, so what are they talking about?..Don't worry! They'll figure it out! They have to give you 100% satisfaction. That's all you should be concerned about! Besides, the manager stated specifically and repeatedly, that the warranty would still be honored, if you painted your bike.

Now this, baffles me! Do you have any idea what it's going to cost to "professionally" paint your bike? It will cost at the very least $200. When you add $200 to $500, that's equal to $700. Then just find a higher priced single-speed, that costs slightly less than $700. Even if it costs a little more, you'll be saving money in the long run!

No. If you're going to paint the bike, now is the time to opt for the Brougham, or the Back Alley, or the Madison.

Whatever you do, don't spend the extra cash on a paint-job, spend it on a better bike!

Heck! With $700, now you could even begin to think about a MTB! You could also think about getting a really nice hybrid, too!

Thus far, so good...

This what we were all trying to explain to you at the outset.

There is no such thing, as an aluminum version of a Coda! If they have a 2011 Coda in your size, snatch it up right away!

That's why it's important to join a bicycle co-op, so that you can become independent mechanically, and save hundreds, if not, thousands of dollars. Who cares what there maintenance policy is?


Well test-ride a Coda. If you like it, grab a 2011 and barter or bargain for it! If they don't have one available for you, in your size, just wait patiently for the 2012 models.

I'm just estatic to know that Jamis is still offering hybrids in steel! That Coda is just the best!

You can still bargain with 2010 and 2011 models. It's their 2012 models they're not bargaining!

- Slim

^^^ Thanks!

I guess I'll keep everything stock for now. Well, except I think I will swap out the handlebars if/when I purchase the Buzz One.

I can deal with the saddle for now. I'm sure I'll eventually figure out if it's necessary to change the saddle. Hopefully by then, I'll have some idea of what I want.

So I can go to a shop that will measure my ass and taint bones???

I was actually looking at the gel filled ones at REI. What's wrong with those? They feel like they might be comfier to sit on. I mean some of them look ridiculous. But they do seem like they would take the sting out of potholes and cracks in the street.

What's the deal with carbon? What's wrong with carbon handlebars?

Are handlebars kind of the same deal as choosing material for frames? Cro-moly has give, Reynolds 531 is nice, Aluminum is nice but stiff, high tensile steel is cheap... etc. etc. ???

Should I get special gloves just for riding the bike?

I was hoping to not change much else on the bike. Why exactly might I need to change stems? Is that just to compensate for changes in dimensions to compensate for the flat handlebar? Otherwise, the clamp size will basically be standard, correct?

Thanks for the heads up on EMS. I think I might still give the bike a test ride. It did seem like they were very limited, in terms of bikes around my price range. I think the employee was just trying to explain that it's more versatile and practical to have a geared bike than a single speed. He was also explaining that derailleurs and gears are very reliable these days and I shouldn't worry about it. But I don't know. Is it difficult to learn to ride a geared bike? Are there a lot of variables? Is there some kind of method to it? Or is it just flipping switches until you find the right gear?

1. Gloves- you don't need special gloves; I use paintball, weight lifting, and ski gloves. You do want something with a leather palm that won't shred easily in case of a mishap.

2. Yes- you can have your sit bones measured.

3. Gel saddles are comfier to sit on, but not to ride on. Given enough time, you'll sink down into the saddle and it will put even more pressure on your junk as you ride.

4. The LBS will explain how to operate the shifters. Geared bikes are nice, but the derailleurs are susceptible to being banged around by others while locked up to a rack.

5. Carbon bars are overkill for your budget and purposes.

6. The Buzz One comes with moustache bars. You may or may not need a stem with longer/shorter reach or higher/lower angle with the flat bar.

Tohtruck says:

Most people would upgrade the handlebar and the saddle together. Dial those in and you're good to go!

Yeah, and you could also go to the Crazy Horse Saloon, where they have a wide assortment of...

The gel-filled saddles are just fine. Choose one, by all means.

Carbon would be an expensive option for you. It would partially help to dampen vibrations and smooth out your ride. CF handlebars are usually reserved for expensive bicycles...

Kinda sorta...However, if you have an aluminum stem, you'd like to also have aluminum handlebars, or at least a material that won't galvanically react with aluminum.

It all depends upon what you call, "special"... If it's special, in the sense that you've taken the time to match the proper material, color, and texture to your needs, then yes, it's special!

You won't have to change anything after you change both the handlebar and saddle.

Yes! Please do give the Coda a test-ride. It could quite possibly open your future up to much greater horizons!

Of course, if you turn out to be a die hard single speedster, then there's no hope in the greater horizon aspect of life! :D

- Slim

The Craigslist in SF bay is LOADED with mountain bikes. I would think that a single speed has fewer components (no gears, single brake) and you'll be able to find a better quality single speed than a mtb in your price range.

If you are looking for a singlespped or fixie recommendation, perhaps you should post in the Singlespeed and Fixed Gear forum. I think commuters lean more toward bikes with multiple speeds.

Thanks for addressing my questions No1Mad.

Slim

I had no idea that it would cost that much to get it professionally painted. I guess I can just rule that out of the equation. Nevertheless, if I were to do it myself, and I just wanted to paint the frame. I imagine I would have to take the whole thing apart so I could solely paint the frame by itself.

Why do people usually upgrade the handlebar and the saddle together? Is there a reason for that?

I think I will change the handlebars when I buy the bike (as it will probably end up being free or bare minimal cost). But I'll wait out on the saddle or just not change it out at all.

I guess I'll go ahead not have anyone measure my sit bones.

So I'm getting a little confused. One dude says stay away from gel saddles because I'll eventually sink my balls into them. Another dude says go ahead with the gel saddle if I feel like.

They really don't have any selection for handlebars, at least according to what's available on the website. But I guess I'll see what they can special order for me. So Should I ask to see a catalog of parts they can order?

Otherwise, I think I'm just gonna go ahead with the mountain bike handle bars they had at the store http://www.rei.com/product/772064/ea...andlebar-318mm

They're aluminum. I just don't feel like going through the headache of researching handlebars and then paying extra to buy them and pay for the labor at REI. I'll just take the free handlebar swap and free labor at REI swap.

I just have to figure out how much to cut off. I suppose I could go with the same width as the Felt Brougham handlebars and/or the Phat Cycles Phixie. But might that have a different effect on a much different frame in the Buzz One?

By special gloves I meant, should I get gloves specifically designed for cycling? Like the Fox ones that the rich kids who rode expensive BMX bikes used to have when I was a kid?

I have fingerless Harbinger weightlifting gloves that I don't use for anything. Would those be okay?

Are gloves really a big deal? I used to just ride bare ass naked hands on my old BMX bike.

No1mad, do you really think I shouldn't even bother going back to EMS? I mean I figured, I could just test ride it and see how I feel.

Regarding pricing on the Jamis bikes. He was showing me the Jamis Coda from 2011. He said that the bike was already at a sale price at $550. So even when they receive the new Coda bikes for 2012, the price will be the same for the Jamis Coda from 2011. Basically there's no room for bartering or bargaining. You can't really do that at EMS I would think anyway since it's a big corporate chain store.

http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebik...1_coda_rd.html

What's so great about the Jamis Coda bikes? Again, it's not the Jamis Coda Sport, but the Jamis Coda from 2011 that EMS was showing me. But what about the bike Slim do you think is really worth it for me to strongly consider it? You say I should snatch it up immediately, but why the Coda over the Novara Buzz One?

I understand they are different bikes. But the Buzz One is less expensive and the REI policy and warranty thing is very enticing. The Coda ends up being a little more than $100 more expensive than the Buzz One (after tax on everything).

They actually had a Coda Sport at another bike shop I went to during the week, but it wasn't built when I stopped by. I'll check back with them and see if it's built and I can test ride it.

I don't use gloves, but if you're worried about taking a spill, they would be good to have. Then again, I'm also not riding in cold weather, so that's something to think about in NYC.

The Jamis Coda is consistently called the best flat bar road bike out there in the different price points they have. It's a steel frame, so that's great. Many gears, so good for flat roads and climbing. Eyelets for fenders and racks. Pretty much what someone wanting an ideal commuter would come up with. I didn't get a new bike since I found a steal on Craigslist, but the Coda was top on my list.

The aluminum Jamis your local shop had may have been a Jamis Commuter, which is similar to the Coda, but with a alu frame. The Commuter models also already have racks and fenders on them, and two have an internal gear hub.

http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebik...eet/index.html

Yeah, I posted a thread on the Single Speed Fixed Gear forum, but it kind of lost momentum.

I'll repost what I'm thinking now and hopefully get some feedback from there.

I'm guessing this will turn into a decision between the Jamis Coda or the Novara Buzz One.

Tohtruck says:

That's right, TohTruck! Taking the bike apart or disassembling the bike, is an integral part of the painting process. When I quoted you a "professional" price of $200, I was being very conservative. I once did somewhat of a survey in the Bay Area here, with respect to professional paint jobs. One autobody shop, quoted me a price of $450. Most were somewhere around $300. $200 was my lowest bidder!

I most probably shouldn't say, "most people". However, I worked for several weeks at a friend's Jamis dealership one summer. I noticed that whenever people wanted to change or upgrade anything about their bikes upon purchase, usually one of the first things to go, was the saddle. If someone wanted to change handlebars, usually, it was the the handlebars to be accompanied by the saddle.

I always say, take your time. There's no pressure. Your butt will determine the amount of time it should take to change your saddle. It's quite possible that your butt will feel quite at home on top of the stock saddle.

Well, if you're looking for a testimonial, I can attest to the absolute peace that my butt feels when riding a gel-filled saddle. I hope my vote counts!

Well, like I said before, continue to go to bike shops. Go to a trek bike shop! I like Trek stuff. That is to say, I like Bontrager stuff! Checkout various bicycle catalogues. You once stated that you liked some handlebars, you saw at Phat Cycles. Get the specs on those Flat handlebars and go to REI and see how close of a match you can score from their catalogue. Also, checkout nashbar.com!

As long as they're the proper dimensions, you should have no problem. However, you need to know that the specs of your stem will match the specs of your handlebar.

You're a wise man, Sensei...

I personally, don't think that will make that much of a difference. However, I'm no expert in that regard. All I know, is that I wouldn't worry about that particular aspect of the switch. Perhaps afterwards, your own physiology will dictate a needed future change. However, as for right now, I wouldn't worry about it. Perhaps another BF member has a more helpful opinion in that regard.

Actually, as long as you have some extra padding between you and your grips, you should be just fine. Gloves reduce the amount of friction felt by your hands, when wearing gloves. They also aid in minimal reduction of vibration. They also seriously assist cyclists in spills. July 3, 2011, I took a pretty bad spill. Unfortunately, I left home without my gloves and lost about three square inches of hand skin. All I could think of was..."Of all days to forget my damned gloves!".

So really, functionally speaking, just about any kind of gloves work, just like the No1mad guy has stated, already. However, leather gloves work best!

Trust me when I tell ya!...YES, GLOVES are a REALLY BIG DEAL!

TohTruck, if you're already set to buy a fixie or single-speed, then do that. However, you just can't compare a single-speed to a geared bike. Using a geared bike, an old man can pass you by without even breaking a sweat. That same old guy can climb a hill faster than you can. That guy can manuever in and out of traffic better than you can, due to various gearing options. It's just another world, entirely!

Now, the question becomes, do you really need to occupy your time with these types of concerns. I mean, I've seen guys on fixies, actually ride faster than other guys on geared bikes, too. That's a rare sight to behold, but it does happen! Most single-speedsters don't seem to be all that concerned with speed.

Hey, the last Jamis Coda was manufactured in 2010. In 2010, Jamis made the Coda, the Coda Sport, the Coda Comp, and the Coda Elite models. In 2011, Jamis dropped the Coda and continued on with the Sport, the Comp, and the Elite. If you want a geared hybrid bike, then I think that Jamis offers the very best value in hybrids. The Coda series, offers you a chromoly steel bike hybrid, that is both very responsive and comfortable. You can start at the bottom with components and in due time, as your components wear, you can upgrade and essentially end up with a Coda Comp, two or three years after purchasing a Coda, or a Coda Sport!

It's all up to you. Do you really want a single-speed/fixie?

If you do, the Buzz One is waiting for you at one of the best sporting goods store in the world, REI.

It just might be a worthwhile stop, if your mind is not made up, yet! Having mulitple gears can be a truly wonderful thing!

- Slim :)

Like I said before, the first thing you have to do, is decide between a geared bike, or a single-speed.


Now is the time to truly explore the world of cycling! Ride everything! Mount everything! Eventually, your heart will lead the way to the bicycle that will suit your fancy!

I think it would be healthy for you to go over to the Single Speed Fixed Gear Forum and hangout for awhile.

Maybe start another post with another question that you think will assist you in the decision between the Coda and the Buzz One.

Hey there TohTruck!

I truly do believe, that you are really confused as to which option is best, for you. I think No1mad had a point earlier. I think that we should more thoroughly examine his point. He once alluded to 26" MTN Bikes. As he stated, considering your height and past experience with BMX bikes, you just might feel more comfortable upon a hardtail MTB, instead of either a hybrid or a single speed.

At the risk of making you puke, I'd like to introduce a new set of bikes for you to contemplate:

www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/windsor_cliff4900.htm

www.bikesdirect.com/products/gravity/htx5.htm

www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/motobecane_600HT_xi.htm

www.bikesdirect.com/products/dawes/hay1500xi.htm

www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/motobecane_700HT_whitefork.htm

- Slim :)

PS.

Hey! If this idea repulses you, just ignore it! OTOH, if you're unsure, you might want to test-ride a couple MTN bikes while at REI, just to see how you like them. If you do, make certain that you leave with your correct MTB frame size.

www.bikesdirect.com/instructionhelp.htm
(Watch the video as many times as you like for correct assembly)

Pitching BD to someone who freely admits that they know nothing about bikes, is having difficulty sorting out what kind of frame geometry works for him- even through test rides, AND has stated they aren't interested in buying from an online vendor for this all important first purchase??:twitchy::crash:

tohtruck- you've been given some good advice on these boards. Allow me to offer up another tip. Find a LBS that gives you a warm and fuzzy when you talk to them and then listen and purchase from them. Will it be the perfect bike? Probably not, but at least it will get you on the bike- where you'll start learning things about your style, wants/needs, a lot quicker than posting here ever will.

from reading the first post, I'd think Tohtruck would want to start with a simple upright beach cruiser or a mtn bike, and at least 2 strong cable locks. or maybe not.

I'm hoping to be able to make a decision between the Jamis Coda and the Novara Buzz One.

Just the fact that I am still confused and unsure about things makes me think that I should just get the Buzz One... again, that satisfaction guaranteed thing comes to mind.

If I buy it, find out that it's not for me after a couple of weeks or months of riding it, figure out what I actually want; I can then return it for a refund or return it towards credit for another bike at REI that I decide I want.

But I will test ride a couple more things this week.

People are telling me I should buy sometime relatively soon, at least before the weather warms up and spring comes. Do prices fluctuate with the seasons? I can only imagine that they do.

SlimRider and No1Mad, thanks for all the input.

I think Slim was posting those links up in case I run into those bikes. I'll know that it's definitely worth my time to test ride them.

But yeah, I am not looking to buy online. I'm just gonna go the safe route and buy new from a store that can offer me some perks that will be helpful to a beginner.

I also plan on checking out the local bicycle co-op tonight. According to the Time's Up (the local Direct Action Bicycle Organization) they are having a bicycle maintenance class tonight. Hopefully I will learn some things and maybe meet some cyclists who can also help me out.

I kind of want to just buy something already, but I'm gonna remain a bit more patient on this and continue to do research. As frustrating as this is, I definitely feel the enthusiasm and excitement. I am starting to understand why people are so passionate about cycling.

No1mad says:

Thus far, the OP's total experience in the world of cycling as primarily been BMX bikes and single-speeds. You once suggested MTN bikes. That was a good suggestion. Now, if we can get him to at least mount a MTB, he might just get a warm inkling from the mounting, alone. Furthermore, once in motion and actually riding a MTB, this heart-felt inkling, just may get confirmed and the OP, just might find his niche.

Insofar as frame geometry is concerned, I think that the mounting and riding of a greater variety of bike types has a better chance of simplifying matters, not complicating the issue. Even if the OP does become even more confused, that's good. That just means that he shouldn't make the purchase until he's certain. In this case, time is his friend, not his enemy. For all you know, he may mount a MTB and think, "God! I think this is it!", without even riding it! After riding it, he may say, "I'm so glad, I tried a MTB before buying that silly old fixie, I don't know what to do!".
OTOH, he might be totally put off by the whole notion of a MTB. However, at least after this epouch in time, we'll all have a better idea!

Now, as far as Bikesdirect is concerned. Just keep your shirt on. Exactly how difficult do you think the bike assembly is going to be. He has access to the Bikesdirect video for assistance. He also has access to a bike co-op in his area. There are multiple assembly-related videos online and in libraries. The OP is clearly NOT stupid. He may lack confidence, but that's it! Besides, if he is going to become a MTN biker, he's going to need to start learning how to repair his own bike, anyway.

We all should know how to repair our own bikes and install various components. The Bikesdirect bike will be just a very brief introduction to bicycle mechanics. Bikesdirect bikes are delivered 90% assembled, anyway. If you watch the video a number of times, you should have no difficulty putting things together. Besides, he could just wait and assemble the bike at the co-op.
He could also assemble it himself and confirm his master mechanics skills, at the co-op.

Whatever the case may be, he'll be the better for this experience. If the whole idea sounds repugnant, then he could just forget about it! He could just walk away..

To TohTruck:

If the idea about MTN bikes sounds good, but you're not certain about buying online, then at least test-ride of a few MTN bikes at REI, so that you'll have a better idea about what you really want. That experience alone could solve the fixie vs geared dilemma.

Perhaps, nothing but the feeling of having to be your own mechanic, intimidates you. Other than that, you'd be fine with the idea of a MTB and Bikesdirect. Well, that's why bikesdirect.com has a video. That's why we have the luxury of bicycle co-ops! We all have to start somewhere.

All I know for certain, is that babies learn from exploration!

TohTruck, don't worry! You're going to be just fine! We're going to arrive at the correct conclusion, together. I don't want you to purchase a bike that won't fulfill your cycling needs and deisres. We're going to approach this matter logically and with a cool demeanor. There will be no drama involved in this purchase. We're going to take it step by step. Any trepidation encountered, will be immediately dismantled by investigation, exploration, and the assimilation of knowledge. The more you know your opponent (fear and ignorance), the greater your chances become in defeating your opponent.

-Slim :)

PS.

If we do go into the bikesdirect direction, just rest assured, that your bike will be assembled by an intelligent human being, who's concerned about his own safety.

That's ten times better than what Walmart cyclists get!

Tohtruck says:

Like I've stated before, you can't go wrong with either purchase. However, you should never make a purchase out of frustration. I would encourage you to make your final purchase from REI, if that's the most feasible and practical thing to do. At this point REI is looking pretty good!

This is true.

Now is the time to test-ride everything. Not just a couple of bikes, but a bunch of bikes. Truly get your feet wet. Ride everything that has two wheels! At least mount bikes and try to get a feeling about them.

We're only at mid-February! Most recreational cyclists back east, won't even dare to cycle before May. That gives you about ten weeks, if you were on a schedule. However, you're not on a schedule. I guarantee you, that if we continue our communications, you could quite possibly be on a bike by this week's end. At the very latest, within the next two weeks. At this point, just mount and ride whatever you can. It should dawn on you eventually, just exactly what you want. Your heart will yearn for it! Nobody is going to have to prod it from you. You'll know deep down inside!


You're welcome!

I posted those links so that you would have some idea as to what other options are available to you. I did that, because I would like to see that you have deliberately sought bikes like that out. I actually want you to mount bikes like that and ride them. Perhaps, after riding a MTB you might solve your indecision problem with the Buzz One and the Coda prospect.

Buying from bikesdirect.com is very safe. They also have a satisfaction guarantee. It's not nearly as good as REI. However, if your bike doesn't fit, or you want to exchange it, you'll be able to do it! You will also become more independent and lose the need for bicycle shop assistance. Any cyclists will tell you, that it's best not to have the need for a bicycle shop, in terms of labor. All adjustments and practically all installations, should be performed by the cyclist, himself. That's especially so, if you're a MTN biker! LBS should primarily be used as a resource for accessories and components. Most other things, could and should be done independently, unless it's beyond fundamental. That's the purpose of a bicycle co-op!

Make sure you're on TIME! :lol:

Good! Mentally, you're right where you need to be! Once you've met new cyclists and have learned that bicycle mechanics is the key to freedom as a cyclist, your confidence level and desire for independence will increase. In speaking will fellow cyclists, you will gain greater cycling insight. You'll learn more about what it is that attracts you to the sport and occupation of cycling. Just remember that time is important! Your primary goal here will be to become sufficient as a bicycle mechanic, not to just make friends. Socialize, meet as many people as possible. Try to locate knowledgeable bicycle mechanics as you meander. Once you've found a real bicycle mechanic or two. Latch on to them! Pick their brains! Not all once mind you, but gradually establish a positive relationship with them and bleed them of every drop of knowledge, you can get. As you begin to strenthen your bonds of friendship, continue to learn from them. Take what you learn from them and read about that particular area of interest, that was discussed. Go home and watch videos on the INTERNET related to that specific topic of interest. Constantly work on your bike, whille there. Make adjustments and reaarangements. Learn from your own bike, the intracacies of bicycle mechanics. Try to get along with everyone connected to the co-op. Try to make a warm and positive impression, everytime you enter the co-op. Truly make a connection! Ask how to become a volunteer. Show them that you truly want to become a part of their co-op, their culture, and their style.

Eventually you'll become just as good as the average mechanic at the co-op. That will be very good!

Mission accomplished! Then, possibly move on...

- Slim :)

PS.

I feel that I must remind you of this one thing that I've always kept in mind at this time. It came from my mother:

Bad associations spoils useful habits!...Always surround yourself with the best. Always keep the association of people who will increase your quality as a person, never people who could ever jeopardize your knowledge, your growth as a person, your integrity, your wealth, or your time!


This should be good! I'm looking forward to your having this experience...

It sounds like you're headed down the right path now. Let your body and wallet guide you in your selection process. Remember to get some quality locks to protect your investment.

Thanks again for all the replies guys.

SlimRider, your input is really great. I'm so glad you don't think I'm stupid lol, and I am eerily amazed that you could easily tell by my forum ramblings that I am a kid with confidence issues lol.

So yeah, I suppose I can keep BikesDirect.com as an option. After all, my original plan was to buy off eBay, based off a recommendation by a buddy of mine who is obsessed with cycling. His whole thing is looking and waiting for awesome deals on eBay and Craigslist. I'll probably run by some of the bicycles I'm considering when I meet up with him tomorrow. But I still feel more comfortable buying from a local bike shop or REI or EMS

Slim, I definitely feel like we are thinking on the same wavelength. It was definitely my plan in the future to try and meet a bunch of cyclists and maybe find the most knowledgeable mechanics and latch on to them and pick their brains for a bit. I basically do that sort of thing with all my hobbies/obsessions and occupations, it'll probably happen with cycling in the future as well.

Unfortunately, I was not able to make it to the co-op tonight as a meeting came up and I had to run some errands. Yeah I ran out of TIME. But I will probably see if I have some time this week to stop by one of the classes at their Brooklyn location. Perhaps I will also check out some nearby LBS's in that area.

I did not test ride the Jamis Coda today. I'll explain

I went over to EMS to test ride the bike and see what they could tell me about the status of the new Jamis Codas for 2012.

I got there and explained to them my whole situation that I wanted to test ride the Coda but don't know anything about geared bikes. They brought it down and did a basic fitting for the seat height. I asked them to teach me about the gears and how to shift them and what to and what not do. They started explaining things to me and it started to get confusing very very fast. This is partly due to the fact that most of the terminology they were using flew over my head.

While I was there, one of the employees actually pointed out that they had just received some Jamis Coda Sports for 2012. One was built up, but it was a bigger size. But they also said that they also had one in my size but it was not yet built. They said they could probably have it built for me to try by tomorrow afternoon.

Keep in mind, that the area that EMS is located at is a very busy shopping area. There are some small streets, but for the most part it's usually pretty busy. So I told them that I was a bit nervous about taking it out for at test ride especially being that I don't know what I'm doing with the gears.

I'm sure that I was being overly cautious. Nevertheless, I asked if they could teach me everything I needed to know about how things on the bike worked.

They suggested that I first give it a go on the trainer before hitting the street.

As I was pedaling away on the trainer, one of the employees was explaining everything and giving me a basic lesson on how everything worked as I was doing it. I got a slightly better understanding now, but I was still getting a bit confused about some things. I think one of the employees was telling me something about the angle that the chain ends up in certain gears and that there was something that I had to keep in mind when I'm using the largest front gear with the largest rear gear or something... ????

I have a tendency to overanalyze things, so I was probably making a bigger deal out of it than was necessary, but I still would rather know what the heck is going on and why; and when to do what rather than just taking it out and going by trial and error and risk breaking something on the bike or getting into an accident.

As I was shifting things and pedaling, I noticed that the bike started making a very strange loud crackling noise and and it sounded like the chain was dragging on something. I could also feel a weird periodic snap on the pedal as I was going in that particular gear. I asked one of the employees if the bike is supposed to sound like that. She was upfront and honest and said, no, and that some adjustments had to be made, and it was a good thing that I pointed that out. She said that the bike had been hanging up (they display them on hooks) for a long time and that the particular gear that was making noise had to be re-adjusted or that they might have to tighten somethings up on the bike.

I basically told them that I was not comfortable test riding the bike at that time but I would come back when everything is in order. Plus it would make sense for me to come back so I could also test ride the Jamis Coda Sport 2012.

One thing they suggested was that I come by Saturday morning when they open up because at that time the streets wouldn't be nearly as busy.

Some other things to note:

The Jamis Coda is definitely a badass looking bike!

The Felt Brougham is aesthetically pleasing because it looks very simple and minimal. It also feels considerably lighter than my little BMX bike, which was shocking when I first checked it out.

I found the Jamis Coda aesthetically pleasing for kind of the opposite reason. It looks very technical and advanced. The handlebars and headset (they were showing me how the headset allows for quick adjustments of the handlebar height which is neat) look like something Marty McFly would have brought back from the future. When the dude helping me out was adjusting the seat height, I noticed that there was a quick release latch that allowed the seat height to be adjusted very easily and quickly (I'm guessing this would mean that I should take the seat out and bring it along with me when I lock it up outside). I found that feature to be very cool.

Again, as I was on the trainer pedaling and shifting, I couldn't help thinking that this is more complicated than it should be and that I might just be happier with a simpler bike that just goes foreword.

As I was pedaling, I became very conscious of how uncomfortable the saddle was as well as my posture as I was a bit more crouched forward than on the Novara Buzz One. It's possible that since I was on the trainer and not out on the street, where I would have been focused on my surroundings, that maybe my attention was focused more so on these thing than when I was on the street test riding the other previous bikes.

The Jamis Coda 2011 they are selling for $550 (just at my budget limit when you include tax). The Jamis Coda Sport 2012 they are selling for $560 (this actually takes me about $10 over my budget after tax). They only had one Coda 2011 left and it's in crimson red. It's not hideous but I would have preferred it in black. They have the Coda Sport 2012 in black. Yeah, I'm just pointing out the color. Furthermore, I am wondering what the differences are between the Coda 2011 and Coda Sport 2012.

The EMS employees weren't really able to tell me. For the most part they said that they are very similar bikes, the frames would be the same and that the only difference would be that the components on the Coda Sport 2012 might be slightly better ($10 difference better?)

The gear issue the moment I got on it made me a bit apprehensive about buying a geared bike in general. This was a bike that spent most of it's life in a store and not out on the street being ridden and abused everyday for however many miles. It was just hanging up, and even then when they brought it down it had gear issues. Furthermore, it also made me a bit apprehensive about buying that specific bike.

Two employees (one guy from yesterday and a dude from today) told me that they offer one free tune-up within 90 days of purchase and then after that any sort of gear or brake adjustments and tune-ups would be charged. Wear and tear issues aren't covered by them, but any defects on the bike they could sort out.

I'm a newbie especially with geared bikes so who knows what I might unknowingly mess up, it might or might not be likely, but the possibility is there. And of course after the gear and chain issue came about today on the trainer, who knows what's going to happen when I'm actually out riding it constantly.

I understand that kind of contradicts with Slim's advice that I become a self-sufficient mechanic for my own bike (something that I want to be in the near future). But it's good to know that even while experimenting and working on my own bike, there will be a bike shop or another authority that I can turn to when **** goes beyond my control (I guess this is where REI would shine).

So yeah, two employees said that its 90 days. But then another employee told me differently. She said that for simple things like gear and brake adjustments (for the most part, basic things that don't require components to be changed or replaced), they would do it for free for the life of the bike. Hmm?

While I was talking to two of the employees who were helping me out, I was telling them that it seemed more complicated than I probably needed it to be and possibly more bike than I needed for my purposes. As one of them was explaining the practicality of having gears, the other employee actually turned to me and whispered yeah single speed/fixed gear is fine for the city and she also said that she's rides a fixie and thinks it more than enough even riding over bridges and hills.

The dude I spoke to from yesterday told me that the technology and the Jamis brand are good, and with the technology of derailleurs these days that I shouldn't have any problems. He said that after the initial tune-up, I probably wouldn't have to ever come back in to adjust anything (maybe once a year at most). Okay, but this actually seemed a bit contradictory when you consider the fact that the moment I got on the bike on the trainer I started noticing problems with the gears and stuff. It also seemed contradictory to what every other store and every other person has told me about geared bikes, some people have told me that the best thing to do is to get things adjusted and checked up on every three months, others have said at least once a year, etc.

Are there safety things and wear and tear issues that I should be aware of when shifting gears? I understand that I should be moving foreword when shifting gears and I shouldn't do it when not moving (one of the dudes at another store actually yelled at me when I was unknowingly doing that). Like are certain gear combinations going to cause more wear and tear on the bike?

Basically, I don't want to be thinking and worrying about gears and stuff while riding, chances are I'm going to over think it and start looking at the gears and the chain or the numbers on the shift shifters and get into an accident. I'm less likely to do something stupid like that on a single speed.

The EMS employee told me that I have nothing to worry about and that it's really easy. Eventually after riding it consistently for a couple weeks or a month, it'll be second nature. He said that if I go with a single speed, chances are I'm going to end up thinking why can't I have gears so I can go faster?

I just want to say that I hope this doesn't sound like I am knocking on EMS and their employees. Because they were exceptionally nice friendly and helpful. More so even than the small local bike shops.

And I apologize for the excruciatingly long posts. But I absolutely appreciate everyone who has been reading these and helping me out.

Okay, another thought just came to mind.

It's been a while since I've ridden a bike (aside from the test rides which barely count). Although I used to work as a delivery boy, I always still get a bit nervous riding on the street with cars and stuff. Likewise, since it's been a while, I'm going to be nervous and not quite as sharp getting back out there.

I could possibly buy the Novara Buzz One now, use it to get around and get acclimated into this whole cycling thing. Along with that, I'll be riding on the street and hopefully be getting comfortable and used to riding on the street.

By then maybe I will feel the need or have a better understanding of what I might need in a new bike with gears. Likewise, N+1. I'll get my geared bike later on when I know what the heck I am doing, feel comfortable on the street, maybe know some mechanics who can hook me up or better yet have an understanding of how to fix and maintain bikes myself (I won't feel apprehensive about not knowing how to adjust things and maintain things like I do right now).

Of course everything I just mentioned pretty much sums up what everyone on this forum has already been telling me. But it rationalizes getting the Buzz One (an inexpensive single speed with a good warranty) right now over some of the more expensive bikes and the geared bike(s) I've been looking at.

Something I wanted to ask you guys about safety that might rationalize getting the Jamis Coda or another geared bike.

Riding fast (maybe more capable on a geared bike) and keeping up with traffic when you are an inexperienced cyclist, is that safer than riding at a more relaxed pace on a slower bike and letting traffic pass you?
Or maybe just in general, how does that work for you guys? Do you feel it's safer to go fast with traffic or a bit slower and let traffic pass you?

****!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...kesuit08m.html

What the FARK?!

I know these stories don't involve the specific models I am looking at, but this definitely worries me.

http://seriousaccidents.com/blog/par...bike-from-rei/

http://www.pritzkerlaw.com/section-d...ke-recall.html

http://www.classaction.org/rei-2005-...wsuit-926.html

http://www.injuryhelpnetwork.com/nov...icycle-recall/

http://www.injuryhelpnetwork.com/200...icycle-recall/

http://www.recalllawsuit.com/2010/07...t-bike-recall/

http://www.classaction.org/felt-bicy...suit-5693.html

Tohtruck says:

Hey there TohTruck! One thing about you, is that you most certainly don't ramble. Most people of this world would feel very intellectually endowed, if they could "ramble" in the eloquent manner in which you do. It's your manner of expression that allows us to appreciate you for your obvious intelligence. Noboby could ever walk away from these threads without having a complete understanding of your well-stated points.

I don't know anything about your being a kid. I've never even thought about your age. I have gotten the distinct impression that you're somewhat tentative when it comes to geared bicycles and mechanics. Hey! These things come in time and we've all struggled with these issues at one point or another. We've all needed confidence boosters at times. This is just your time!

Bikesdirect is a very valuable bicycle resource. This is especially true, as it applies to people who are mechanically inclined. I only referred you to Bikesdirect, because of your obvious enthusiasm about the TIME'S UP! bicycle co-op. I know that after the purchase of a MTB, you would be dependent for at least a couple weeks to learn about your bike. Since I personally know that there's really not much to the basics, that you'd have no problem. The sooner you wean yourself away from being dependent upon your LBS, the better. That's why co-ops are so valuable to the cycling community.

Having mechanically inclined friends can be just as helpful (if not more so), as belonging to a co-op, due to the fact that you're allowed to impose upon friends at times of your own personal convenience. You don't have to wait for some set time in which to consult with them, or have them attend your bike. Having good friends is always a plus!

Having a good friend would be quite helpful in the purchase of a used chromoly steel bike off of your local Craigslist. You could quite possibly score a ten speed racer, or a fixie for less than $200, and find that it is in fairly good condition. That would beat any sale at REI or EMS. However, if something were to go amiss, you'd be forced to rely upon the LBS for possibly an expensive repair. That's why it's so very important to have your own highly co-op-developed mechanic skills!

The faster you acquire bicycle mechanic skills, the more cash you'll have for your next N+1 purchase! ;)

My advice to you, is to become an integral part of some reputable co-op, as soon as possible! It would be great, if you could become a permanent weekend fixture at the co-op. Hangout with your bicycle mechanic friends more often and get your hands greasy. Get in there and learn your bike! I know that you're already contemplating this mechanics idea. You know how I know? ...'Cause great minds think alike! :lol:

Hey TohTruck, these things sometimes happen. There's nothing you can do about unforseen events. However, just make certain that you become a member of a very reputable co-op. Make certain that you have a spirit of dedication and the insatiable thirst the learn. That's what you're going to need to be a success at mastering the fundamentals of bicycle mechanics. Just take it topic by topic. Study brakes, their installation and adjustment. First study your brakes. Remove them, then reinstall them. Do the same with your chain. Take your handlebar off, then put it back on. First, you should learn how to change a flat! Of course, there are many aspects about bicycle mechanics, but most problems outside of tire issues, involve derailleurs, shifters, chains, and brakes.

Get those things down and you'll be along way towards the road to freedom!