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Old 02-12-12, 11:50 PM
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This is the jacket I've got my eye on: http://www.aerotechdesigns.com/cycli...lective-jacket Neon lime plus Illuminite reflectivity... while proper reflective tape would be much more reflective, I have trouble with my iron-on tape "shedding" when it's machine-washed, and I'm not much good at sewing on the sew-on type.
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IMHO, high-viz yellow is extremely effective for visibility both day and night. I consider it equally important compared to lights because a lot of cyclists don't ride in the dark at all. I commute year-round so I ride in the dark a lot during the fall-winter-spring, and I have been extremely impressed by how well high-viz yellow shows up in daylight as well as dark. As many of you know, a lot of joggers and some cyclists have a penchant for making themselves invisible and dressing in all black. Several times I have come close to hitting such ninja joggers while commuting in early morning hours. However, when I encounter joggers wearing high-viz yellow, I can't spot them at least 1/2-mile away. ... And high-viz yellow does show up well in headlights, much better than other colors. If you search the term "color visibility" you can find links to a number of scientific studies that have found that high-viz yellow is the most visible color in the spectrum for the human eye -- in contrast to red and orange, which are not very effective in the dark or for people with color blindness.
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Interesting discussion!

I just bought a vest which is the "traditional" high-vis yellow-green color, with reflective strips front, back and sides. I wear a red flashing rear light on my helmet, a flashing light (white) on my left front fork blade, a red flashing light on the rear rack, and another one (red flashing) on the seatpost.

For light to see, and to be seen, I have a NiteRider Minewt headlight. Last, and probably least, I have a reflective leg band that came with the bike (DaHon).

So . . . I think I am visible, I hope I am visible, but I don't actually know if I'm visible. All of my morning commutes are in the dark, all afternoon commutes are in sunlight (or bright over-cast).

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Old 02-13-12, 12:13 PM
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These are great and relatively inexpensive: http://alertshirt.com/potmanco.html
Other hi-vis products from same
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Old 02-13-12, 12:20 PM
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You'll know you've got it right when people mention how visible you were when they mention seeing you while riding.
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I have a "road crew" type vest, two actually. I wear one any time I'm riding at night and sometimes in cloudy/marginal conditions. I don't go for the bright colors in daylight. But I don't specifically avoid bright colors in daylight either!
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Just got a call in from a friend looking for advice with paperwork following a bike accident.

Apparently he was hit from behind in broad daylight by an automobile on a main urban street. The automobile claimed to have been unable to see the cyclist because of the glare resulting from driving into the sun (not to mention being too stupid to slow down or stop when you can't see where you're driving!) Yeah - he was driving towards the inside lane where he was supposed to and not in the middle of the road and in the same direction the car was travelling.

I'm wondering if I should start wearing my downhill armor in the street as well as hi-viz clothing. Remember when only things like parachuting were high risk sports?
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Old 02-13-12, 04:23 PM
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I wear a hi-vis vest (ANSI class 2--lime green with reflective stripes.) And I have a fairly bright headlight, and a blinking taillight. I notice that people seem to see me better night and day with the vest on.

I've also started noticing how much more visible people walking are when wearing anything reflective--even just a reflective headband makes it far easier for me to see them.
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Old 02-13-12, 05:18 PM
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I don't wear neon or other Hi-Viz colors. I'm certainly not opposed to it, I just haven't happened to find gear I like that is offered in those colors.

Instead, I mostly rely on reflectors and lights. My old-school Burley yellow rain jacket has reflective tape added along the seam lines. This makes the jacket very reflective, even if I do have to replace the tape yearly as it loses its stickiness. My helmet has reflective tape, a fairly bright headlamp, a blinky red tail LED, and I keep my spare reflective Velcro ankle bands on the helmet. I shine the headlamp beam right at drivers if I think they need some help seeing me. My rain pants have a bit of reflective trim, as do my neoprene booties when I wear them. My bike shoes have reflective tape stuck to the heels for that "I'm A Bike!" up and down motion. My messenger bag has reflective strips. And my bike has blinky LEDs front and rear, plus a torch-like Nightsun dual headlight that I switch on when it is very dark, or when I think I need to be more illuminated.

All this only really works at night. During the day, I'm just a guy in a yellow jacket.
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Old 02-13-12, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jyl View Post
I don't wear neon or other Hi-Viz colors. I'm certainly not opposed to it, I just haven't happened to find gear I like that is offered in those colors.

Instead, I mostly rely on reflectors and lights. My old-school Burley yellow rain jacket has reflective tape added along the seam lines. This makes the jacket very reflective, even if I do have to replace the tape yearly as it loses its stickiness. My helmet has reflective tape, a fairly bright headlamp, a blinky red tail LED, and I keep my spare reflective Velcro ankle bands on the helmet. I shine the headlamp beam right at drivers if I think they need some help seeing me. My rain pants have a bit of reflective trim, as do my neoprene booties when I wear them. My bike shoes have reflective tape stuck to the heels for that "I'm A Bike!" up and down motion. My messenger bag has reflective strips. And my bike has blinky LEDs front and rear, plus a torch-like Nightsun dual headlight that I switch on when it is very dark, or when I think I need to be more illuminated.

All this only really works at night. During the day, I'm just a guy in a yellow jacket.
But that yellow jacket sounds like a pretty good idea to me! When I tripped across that illumiNITE technology at http://www.night-gear.com/ , I was also surprised at the amount of black clothing with reflective inserts offered. I realize 'night-gear' is the site name but I would think day-time visibility would be a priority too. Possibly they're marketing more to joggers than cyclists.


So I agree with your choice of reflective tape as well as bright colors during the day. In fact thats what I'm doing at the moment. But improvements in technology make some of that new clothing look like a good bet too and I'll probably end up trying some later this year.

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A couple of other points about high-viz yellow clothing. First, the worst time of the day for visibility is at dawn and dusk when light is poor but it's not quite dark. It's not only the hardest time to see, but for some reason a lot of stupid drivers don't use their headlights at those times. Reflective gear is no good at all if headlights aren't shining on it, but high-viz yellow stands out very well in those conditions. High-viz yellow also stands out very well in daylight, when most headlights and taillights aren't very effective. And in the dark, it stands out better than any other color.
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Old 02-16-12, 06:26 PM
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I figure everyone here would be interested in this. IT'S CRAZY!

Want to cycle safely? Stop focusing on high vis

http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/secur...g-on-high-vis/
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Old 02-16-12, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by amckimmey View Post
I figure everyone here would be interested in this. IT'S CRAZY!

Want to cycle safely? Stop focusing on high vis

http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/secur...g-on-high-vis/
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High vis will definitely help you stand out and be more visible, day or night. Can you spot the vendors in this crowd?



Pair it with some good active lighting and you will be so much safer

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Old 02-18-12, 08:21 AM
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I've mentioned this before, look at a sports stadium crowd and who stands out? The vendors all in hi vis.
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Old 02-25-12, 03:39 PM
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My girlfriend got her IKEA PATRULL reflective vest yesterday in the mail from my mom who bought it for her. It seems to be a pretty decent vest, and fits really well.

Here is a Review I wrote on my Blog about it.
My mother sent Angel an reflective vest from IKEA after coming across one there on a trip a couple weeks ago. Yes, IKEA, the Swedish company known for affordable flat pack furniture with obscure names that no one knows how to put together. It turns out IKEA carries a reflective vest called the PATRULL.


Most other vests come only in a M, L, XL, & XXL. It's normally hard to find a Medium, and they all seem to be one size up, so they never seem to fit right. The IKEA PATRULL is the first vest I have ever seen that comes in a full range of sizes, 5 different sizes to fit almost anyone.
*• PATRULL 3 Adult Sizes: S/M, L, XL
*• PATRULL 2 Child Sizes: 3-6 years, 7-12 years

They are also the most affordable vest out there, retailing for $4.99. They are not sold online, so if you want one you must brave the IKEA maze or just ask a friend or family member to send you one. It might be worth it if you are a smaller person that doesn't want a bulky vest, or have kids that you want to wear them. A normal 3M reflective vest you would pick up at your average hardware store will cost on average $15-20, and be of really low quality. Dickie's Reflective are $27. My reflective vest I wear is a Work n' Sport, only sold at Blain's Farm and Fleet in central Illinois (oh, how I miss F&F), but it retails for $20, which is cheap for how amazing it is. (I will write more about the Wn'S in the future maybe)

I have some nice patches on my reflective vest to add some style and flair, and Angel wanted some style and flair as well. We added a nice patch on the front which doubles as a front pocket because I hemmed the top and only sewed the bottom and two sides to the vest, leaving the top open. Making a nice little front pocket for Angel if she ever needs it, and making the vest a little cooler. Overall the IKEA PATRULL is really nice, and you can't really beat the cost and size options.
Everyone should remember, Reflective is Cool.
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I figure everyone here would be interested in this. IT'S CRAZY!
Agreed. Hi Viz clothing, reflectors, and lights are important but only part of the big picture. It is even more important to be aware of your environment and to think ahead to avoid potential conflicts. Every vehicle has blind spots and every driver can get distracted or make a mistake. Never assume a driver sees you, no matter what you are wearing, unless they acknowledge your presence. I ride a bright red bike with lights front and rear and make it a habit to wear bright colors during the day and hi-viz and/or reflective garb in low-light or after dark. Still I've had drivers look straight at me and then pull out in front of me. I would like to complain but last year I had a near miss with my pickup when I pulled out in front of a car that seemed to appear out of nowhere on an open road on a clear afternoon.
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I would like to complain but last year I had a near miss with my pickup when I pulled out in front of a car that seemed to appear out of nowhere on an open road on a clear afternoon.
You've probably been infected with Human. I hear it's going around.
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ANSI Carhartt parka .. Dry in cold light rain, wont be so breathable in dry weather,
but here that is just july to september.

less bright my rain cape, for the deluge, because no gloves work in heavy rain

I got a safety sweatshirt, but a fleeced knit, when moving it lets the air flow thru..

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Whatever you do -- wear that reflective vest several sizes too small so that when you get into your riding position, everyone gets a full view of your ass crack and lower back boobs.
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Originally Posted by Giro View Post
I use lights (bright & blinking in day particularly,
I am finding out the above is about the best in making a rider seen for safety. I wear a safety vest, but I depend mostly on my lights, front and rear. Daytime and night..
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I use the lights...flashing, but am also looking into any decent suppliers in UK of cheap ones that I can get printed for my club. Found these and can design the vests first to see how they look with my print but not sure if anyone has used them and got any reviews.
You could if you wanted to.. design what you want printed and then print on your pc and take to your local printer to show em exactly what you want if cheaper that way.

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Also as mentioned in this thread, high visibility non-reflective clothing is not very effective when it is dark. For example as I recently posted in Advocacy & Safety:
Cyclist visibility at night: Perceptions of visibility do not necessarily match reality. Journal of the Australasian College of Road Safety – August 2010
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Visibility limitations make cycling at night particularly dangerous. We previously reported cyclists’ perceptions of their own visibility at night and identified clothing configurations that made them feel visible. In this study we sought to determine whether these self-perceptions reflect actual visibility when wearing these clothing configurations. In a closed-road driving environment, cyclists wore black clothing, a fluorescent vest, a reflective vest, or a reflective vest plus ankle and knee reflectors. Drivers recognised more cyclists wearing the reflective vest plus reflectors (90%) than the reflective vest alone (50%), fluorescent vest (15%) or black clothing (2%). Older drivers recognised the cyclists less often than younger drivers (51% vs 27%). The findings suggest that reflective ankle and knee markings are particularly valuable at night, while fluorescent clothing is not. Cyclists wearing fluorescent clothing may be at particular risk if they incorrectly believe themselves to be conspicuous to drivers at night. (underlining added). You can read the entire article LINK)


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I'm surprised the ankle and knee reflectors made as big of a difference, but I guess it makes sense since they are moving up and down. Motion = eye-catching. I use reflective ankle bands but, truth be told, more to keep my paints out of my chain, but with this information, I think I should where them all the time when riding a night even if I am wearing shorts.
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How do you figure it stacks up compared to flashing lights?
Have someone else, following, take a picture of you in your gear, then you can see, for yourself.

Or dress them in it and you follow.
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