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Old 03-19-12, 08:50 PM   #1
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Heel Strike concerns - Tubus Cargo + Cross Check commuting setup.

Hi. Short-time lurker, first-time poster.

I should confess, I don't know much about bikes. I had an old Fuji Crosstown which I rode for a few years, but through years of neglect, it became so badly ruined it wasn't worth fixing. Anyways, I just bought a used Cross-Check and started commuting (~8 miles each way) with my (hiking) backpack, which is not something I'd like to do long-term, so I thought I'd get a rack and panniers.

I spoke to Wayne at The Touring Store (who was amazing) and he suggested the Tubus Cargo or Logo (I was fairly certain I wanted one of these through searching the web, and saw nothing but praise for both on this site) and I decided to go with the Cargo because it was compatible with non-Ortlieb panniers moreso than the Logo.

My biggest concern with the Cargo instead of Logo was Heel Strike, and I'm wondering if I got the wrong rack. I'm 5'10" and wear a size 13 shoe. Wayne told me that the Cargo should be fine, so I ordered it last week and installed it yesterday. I know the Logo comes in two sizes, and he got me the one he said would be better for my bike (I forget the size)...I told you, I know nothing about bikes.

I bought a bag from REI (which I haven't decided if I'll keep)...anyways, couldn't mount it, might need to remove one of the plastic moldings or something, but even just looking at it I can tell it's going to get in the way. Here are a couple pics. The rack's loose right now so I could extend it back all the way for the photo, but I imagine this is what it would look like if I try to ride with it.

Did I get the wrong rack for my bike? Is it the bag? Did I just not install it correctly? Any help on getting this going would be greatly appreciated!

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Rack alone (extended back all the way)


Rack with pannier (not actually mounted, just hanging on the top) - but you can tell I'd get heel strike in this situation.


Thanks for your help.
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Old 03-19-12, 08:58 PM   #2
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The rack doesn't look level, so how can you adjust the bag outward? Level it up.

Put your foot in the shoe and ride it. That'll prove it one way or the other.

If you get it out sufficiently, it will probably not be an issue.

(Although... just wondering... REI had their Novara commuter pannier on last week for $48. More compact than that one.)
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The rack doesn't look level, so how can you adjust the bag outward? Level it up.
Ok, thing is I couldn't figure out how to mount the bag (I just picked it up) and the inside brackets are too tight to fit...I think? I'll go take a pic, brb.

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(Although... just wondering... REI had their Novara commuter pannier on last week for $48. More compact than that one.)
That's what I got. http://www.rei.com/product/780448/no...single-pannier
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I don't think leveling your rack will give you more heel clearance. Just by looking at it you can tell that leveling it will bring it forward, reducing your heel clearance.

To be honest, your only real option is to use a smaller pannier or a different rack which will allow you to mount your pannier further back. There are panniers out there shaped to improve heel clearance, as well.

You may want to consider using a rack bag instead of a pannier, which will center your load and also negate the heel clearance issue. Arkel's bag is super nice and can fit a ton of stuff: http://www.arkel-od.com/us/tailrider.html

Good luck, keep pedaling!
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Ok, thing is I couldn't figure out how to mount the bag (I just picked it up) and the inside brackets are too tight to fit...I think? I'll go take a pic, brb.
Here we go, Gerv. Hope these help.

The mounting clips. The inner blue lining is too thick for me to fit the clips onto the frame. Not sure if I can remove them.



Unless I'm supposed to use a considerable amount of force, that is...but I somehow doubt that's the case.
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To be honest, your only real option is to use a smaller pannier or a different rack which will allow you to mount your pannier further back. There are panniers out there shaped to improve heel clearance, as well.
You think the Tubus Logo would be a better bet? I think I'd be more limited on options, but I definitely want to be able to put some decent-sized panniers on the sides. I'm trying to minimize the use of my car.
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You push a hex wrench or something small through the hole in the black part of the clip to push in on the blue part and then you can slide it out to make the clip fit a larger diameter tube. As for heel clearance, I think there might be two good options. Have you moved the clips so that the front one is as far forward as possible. They are movable/adjustable with the screw and holes in the mounting plate. Do that and then move the rear clip forward enough to fit on the rack. If that doesn't work, you may have to go with another pannier that is cut with a cant on the front side to allow for more heel clearance, but I doubt you will have to do that. Moving the clips should do the trick.

I forgot to mention that you can move the bracket on the bottom of the pannier too, so that it fits into the rack after you move the clip(s).

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You push a hex wrench or something small through the hole in the black part of the clip to push in on the blue part and then you can slide it out to make the clip fit a larger diameter tube. As for heel clearance, I think there might be two good options. Have you moved the clips so that the front one is as far forward as possible. They are movable/adjustable with the screw and holes in the mounting plate. Do that and then move the rear clip forward enough to fit on the rack. If that doesn't work, you may have to go with another pannier that is cut with a cant on the front side to allow for more heel clearance, but I doubt you will have to do that. Moving the clips should do the trick.

Thanks. I removed the little blue ring and played with the positioning of the pannier clips. The fitting is a little better, but not quite there. I'll toy around some more tomorrow, but if it doesn't work, I'll just need to decide if I want to swap the rack for something else or explore the alternative panniers.
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Maybe if you move the rear clip all the way forward as well you will be able to put the pannier further aft. Good luck. I have the same rack and like it quite well - very good rack. Hope it works for you.

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Yup. No dice. I'll probably call Wayne at the touring store and see what he thinks. They have a Tubus Lower Rack Mounting Kit that might work - http://www.thetouringstore.com/TUBUS...ONS%20PAGE.htm
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I think what you want is to get the rack higher, not farther back. I do think that lower rack mounting kit would help you.

Also, in your picture with the shoe it looks like the shoe is too far back; that's not cleated is it? If those were my shoes I would move them one tread-block (?) forward.

For better handling you generally want the weight of the load centered over the hub, or even in front of it (toward the center of the bike, so behind the hub for a front rack), so hanging your rack way the heck off the back might spare your heels the indignity of pannier-brushing but it would give you some weird handling I think.

Oh yes, what is the frame size of your CC? I am ~5'8" and ride a 54. Only size 10 feet though.
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The rack should be level but apart from that, it is fine. The problem is that your panniers don't have a heel cutout profile. Worse still, they splay out towards the front. That is just poor design and I would take them back.
You may be able to reposition the hooks more forward on the bag to move the bag rear-ward. The Carradice briefcase has a rectangular shape for paperwork but the mounts are angled to clear the heel.

Those are Rixen and Kaul-a-like hooks and ideally, they should be jammed against the rack cross bars to prevent the bag creeping forward or backward. The lower anti-sway device then only has to stop the bag flapping about.
Rear R&K/Ortleib hooks are mounted on a sliding rail so you can optimise the position.
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