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Originally Posted by jpatkinson
(Post 14114084)
I wonder if it matters. Our garage was burglurized a month ago: they took our road bikes (LeMond Sarthe and Gunnar Roadie, replacement value 6k) and didn't take our commuters (Bryant and Trek FX, replacement value 4k). They literally moved the Trek out of the way so they could grab the Gunnar. All our bikes are kept in like new condition. So, at least in SF in our garage on that night -- if it looked "Fred," the thieves around here don't want it -- this is based on my ONLY bike theft experience, so your mileage may vary.
Wow, that they knew to take the gunnar. Most people have heard of Trek, so that's the one I would have expected to be taken rather than the brand that few have heard of. Sounds like a serious crew. |
ride a single gear bike, for some reason, thieves don't even double take.
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When my Merlin MTB was my only commuter bike, I allowed the famously ephemeral decals to flake away without replacing them, then applied stickers to the frame. The rack, panniers, and frame bag did a god job of hiding what was underneath.
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Anything with drops makes it a real target here. flat-bar with rusty bar-ends is better camo' imo
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I had another thought for a theft-deterrent bike: get a police bike. I'd check your local laws first to make sure that you can't get in trouble for impersonating an officer. Every state's laws will vary. I know that you'd be fine in Georgia and Alaska, but I don't know about other places.
Botach Tactical sells a Fuji Police Special for $600. It's an aluminum frame with a sloping top tube, Rock Shox Recon front suspension, disc brakes, X7 all around, 36 spoke wheels, and an included rear rack. It would make a great commuter. If you want to give it that authentic cop touch, lock the rear wheel to the frame with a set of oversized handcuffs. Here is a link to one: http://www.botachtactical.com/fu20pospbi.html |
Here in San Diego I was pulled over and interrogated while driving my black and white '74 BMW R60/6 police moto. The blue lights were covered with KC Hilites covers, but I was wearing a black leather jacket with POLIZEI on the back in reflective block letters. The officers called their supervisor for advice, then cut me loose.
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Originally Posted by Casbah
(Post 14111325)
Paint it pepto bismol pink with lime green polkadots. Oh, and don't forget to hang fringe from the handlebars. And get a big white seat and smear it with a little bit of red paint. I don't think anybody would steal it then. Only problem is you'd be too embarrassed to ride it too.
I sold it for a 6 pack when I graduated. I didn't ride it to college every day... on some days I took the long (40 mile) route and rode the good bike, which I U-locked every time. |
Originally Posted by Ray R
(Post 14114917)
Here in San Diego I was pulled over and interrogated while driving my black and white '74 BMW R60/6 police moto. The blue lights were covered with KC Hilites covers, but I was wearing a black leather jacket with POLIZEI on the back in reflective block letters. The officers called their supervisor for advice, then cut me loose.
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I'm getting a Schwinn in a generally unatractive brown color. The more I look at it, the more I like it, and it runs great, but I doubt anyone would want it seeing as it looks to be more of a cruiser, and will often be surrounded by drop bar road bikes.
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I would think most theives are looking for an easy target and oppurtunity. A nice bike seems like more of a risk. Easier to spot and identify and the owner would activley search for it. A Huffy or "junk" bike blends in better and is harder to recover. Make your bike unique, not ugly like you don't care about it. And lock it properly, even at home if it is valuable.
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Originally Posted by Confederate
(Post 14114878)
I had another thought for a theft-deterrent bike: get a police bike. I'd check your local laws first to make sure that you can't get in trouble for impersonating an officer. Every state's laws will vary. I know that you'd be fine in Georgia and Alaska, but I don't know about other places.
Botach Tactical sells a Fuji Police Special for $600. It's an aluminum frame with a sloping top tube, Rock Shox Recon front suspension, disc brakes, X7 all around, 36 spoke wheels, and an included rear rack. It would make a great commuter. If you want to give it that authentic cop touch, lock the rear wheel to the frame with a set of oversized handcuffs. Here is a link to one: http://www.botachtactical.com/fu20pospbi.html |
Originally Posted by cobrabyte
(Post 14116759)
I would think most theives are looking for an easy target and oppurtunity. A nice bike seems like more of a risk. Easier to spot and identify and the owner would activley search for it. A Huffy or "junk" bike blends in better and is harder to recover. Make your bike unique, not ugly like you don't care about it. And lock it properly, even at home if it is valuable.
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the problem with making a bike look like crap is that Your bike looks like crap!!!! Id say everyone here on this site is proud of their bicycles and wants to share that pride with others. having a bike stolen sucks, I know but why bother owning/riding something that makes you look homeless. spend the extra cash and buy the right chains and locks, buy security bolts, get creative. dont give in to fear
.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=245686http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=245685 |
Any lock can be broken by the right theif though. That's the problem.
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There are two kinds of thieves: professional thieves and opportunistic thieves.
Professional thieves are really only an issue in maybe 5-10 cities in the US. They know value and will steal components as well as entire bikes. Keeping your bike inside is the only safe plan long term, as they will also cut locks. However, professional thieves are probably not interested in a beater bike. Opportunistic thieves are the most common; here they will most commonly just steal a bike for their own use, although they may also steal a bike to sell to a friend for $20. Opportunistic thieves won't cut locks (if they owned the appropriate tools, they would have sold them for cash), so just locking your bike will generally keep it from being stolen (but see below). Where I live, a bike with drop handlebars is less likely to be stolen than a hybrid style bike because they are less popular with the street people who are the main thieves. There is no real secondary market for bike parts where I live. However, people will occasionally steal an unsecured from wheel or saddle. Not because they can sell it, but more as an act of vandalism. So you do still need to have some reasonable locking strategy to deal with this...although simply not having QRs might be enough. |
Originally Posted by catonec
(Post 14117142)
the problem with making a bike look like crap is that Your bike looks like crap!!!! Id say everyone here on this site is proud of their bicycles and wants to share that pride with others. having a bike stolen sucks, I know but why bother owning/riding something that makes you look homeless. spend the extra cash and buy the right chains and locks, buy security bolts, get creative. dont give in to fear
.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=245686http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=245685 If I were a thief: choice a) Ugly bike, good chain/lock choice b) Nice bike, good chain/lock choice c) Nice bike, bad chain/lock A would be my last choice, when deseparate and there's no b, or c around. |
I know this isnt a cure-all solution either but home-owners/renters insurance will replace stolen property, even away from your home or apartment. some locks come with a guarantee. the street cuffs I pictured a few posts ago have a $3500 anti theft policy.
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For the handlebars, I use electrical tape. It's waterproof, holds up well, and protects your wrap from damage. I started using it to cover damaged sections and then just went whole hog.
For my seat, well, it says BELL in big letters on the side. ;) Both my bikes are in need of paint right now, and I think I'm doing one flat Olive Drab and the other flat black. |
Originally Posted by alhedges
(Post 14117212)
There are two kinds of thieves: professional thieves and opportunistic thieves.
Professional thieves are really only an issue in maybe 5-10 cities in the US. They know value and will steal components as well as entire bikes. Keeping your bike inside is the only safe plan long term, as they will also cut locks. However, professional thieves are probably not interested in a beater bike. Opportunistic thieves are the most common; here they will most commonly just steal a bike for their own use, although they may also steal a bike to sell to a friend for $20. Opportunistic thieves won't cut locks (if they owned the appropriate tools, they would have sold them for cash), so just locking your bike will generally keep it from being stolen (but see below). Where I live, a bike with drop handlebars is less likely to be stolen than a hybrid style bike because they are less popular with the street people who are the main thieves. There is no real secondary market for bike parts where I live. However, people will occasionally steal an unsecured from wheel or saddle. Not because they can sell it, but more as an act of vandalism. So you do still need to have some reasonable locking strategy to deal with this...although simply not having QRs might be enough. |
Originally Posted by cehowardGS
(Post 14108232)
My effective theft deterent=My bike stays with me.
Since then, part of my strategy is to not ride a bike I can't afford to lose. |
Originally Posted by genec
(Post 14114937)
Oh I donno... I used to ride an old rusted girls frame bike to college... some 5 miles either way. This wasn't a sleeper, there was nothing fancy on the bike... it was a POS.
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Originally Posted by Artkansas
(Post 14119544)
That doesn't always work. I've had one stolen out from under me. All it took was a large car, 7 guys and some 2x4s.
Since then, part of my strategy is to not ride a bike I can't afford to lose.
Originally Posted by Artkansas
(Post 14119605)
I had what had to be the ultimate beater bike at the end of college. It was a 12-year old Montgomery Ward 10 speed that had spent a decade sitting on the porch in the weather and exposed to salt spray. The tires were cracked but somehow held air. The frame was literally held together with baling wire and turnbuckles because the downtube had pulled out of the bottom bracket. Just before finals, some jerk took the time to undo the turnbuckles and then stomped on the bike frame so it was no longer true.
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One of my grungy commuter bikes is a Late 90's Trek Police bike and I don't really make it look too great. It seen plenty of miles before I got it so while its actually a pretty good bike it looks more like its on its last leg. That might change in a few weeks though its time for some new tires brake pads and cables and housings.
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Road a Sears Free Spirit when I lived in Seattle, and never had it stolen even though I just kept it locked up with a cable lock downtown. On the other hand when I lived in Savannah my Western Flyer got stolen. Some people are just more desperate than others.
As for professional theives, I think you will find them in every large city. Here in Austin I witnessed some pros -guy jumped out of a pickup snapped through a lock and tossed the bike in back before the owner could even make it out the front door. Even pros are opportunistic though, I'm sure the guy simply went for the bike with the weakest lock, but I think if you have an escape driver you're a pro. |
Originally Posted by teh33
(Post 14116888)
This is a good point but if you were going to steal a bike you would steel the nice bike because you think you could get $$$ for it instead of a huffy worth 50
Fact is, you cannot fence a $1,000 bike for anywhere near that amount, in the time frame many thieves want to be paid for it. So they end up trying first to get a low ball amount just enough so the average junkie can have their fix for the next couple days cause of the bike. I'm sure there is a market for high end bikes being fenced for a pretty penny, but something tells me the average bike thief is more interested in a quick dollar then a prize. Which means a good lock, and not keeping it outside past midnight is probably the best deterrent. Jim |
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