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Old 04-18-12, 02:03 PM
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Schwalbe Ultremo ZX Clincher Tire

Has anyone used these for commuting? They are that same price as the conti 4 season which is a lot of money ($75/tire). Right now I am using Performance Plus tire in the rear and the Performance Vredestian SE in the front. I am not to hit on the SE because it seems to get eaten alive by all the road garbage. I cannot comment on the house brand, but for $30 a tire they are looking pretty good so far.

This is not an attempt to shed weight despite my previous post. I am just looking to see what other options are out there.

Basically my criteria for a $75 tire is that it has to last at least 18 months of commuting is any weather. Flats for large debris (nails, wire, glass as big as a finger nail, large chunks of gravel, metal parts) are ok. Flats for small nails, glass and gravel are not ok. The tire has to roll well (no dillos or gatorskins) and has to be around 250g per tire. I know the tire in question is much lighter and that the weight penalty is from the increased rubber and the internal belt.

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Old 04-18-12, 03:35 PM
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Ultremos are classified as a performance/racing tire. The low weight and rolling resistance come at the expense of flat protection. Consider something from the Durano line, which are "training" tires. I commute with 28mm Duranos and find them to be a good compromise between speed and flat resistance.
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Originally Posted by silver_ghost View Post
Ultremos are classified as a performance/racing tire. The low weight and rolling resistance come at the expense of flat protection. Consider something from the Durano line, which are "training" tires. I commute with 28mm Duranos and find them to be a good compromise between speed and flat resistance.
This. The ultremos are great tyres, but they won't meet your criteria for punctures.
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Originally Posted by I_like_cereal View Post
Has anyone used these for commuting? They are that same price as the conti 4 season which is a lot of money ($75/tire). Right now I am using Performance Plus tire in the rear and the Performance Vredestian SE in the front. I am not to hit on the SE because it seems to get eaten alive by all the road garbage. I cannot comment on the house brand, but for $30 a tire they are looking pretty good so far.

This is not an attempt to shed weight despite my previous post. I am just looking to see what other options are out there.

Basically my criteria for a $75 tire is that it has to last at least 18 months of commuting is any weather. Flats for large debris (nails, wire, glass as big as a finger nail, large chunks of gravel, metal parts) are ok. Flats for small nails, glass and gravel are not ok. The tire has to roll well (no dillos or gatorskins) and has to be around 250g per tire. I know the tire in question is much lighter and that the weight penalty is from the increased rubber and the internal belt.

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Your criteria is unrealistic. You want a training tire, but that will cost you performance and weighs too much yet you want something that racing tire that will not last long for commuting. You are going to have a compromise either way, you will have to decide what is more important to you.
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Old 04-18-12, 04:20 PM
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I have Ultremo ZX tires on my road bike (700x25). They are pretty tough as far as puncture protection goes. They already have few visible cuts and have not been punctured yet, but I don't ride them on roads that compare to the regular junk I have to commute through. However, there is visible wear already and lots of scratches and scuffs on sides after less than 300 miles. I may be wrong, these are my first real slicks, but I don't expect them to last past this Summer. I don't think I would want to commute on them regularly.

I'd get Maxxis Re-Fuse for commuting. I commuted two years on those.
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Old 04-18-12, 04:33 PM
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Thanks. That is what I figured.

300 miles is pretty short life for wear to be showing already. I think I will stay away from those and look at the durano line.
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Maybe try a Maxxis Radiale with an lightwieght tire liner.
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Old 04-19-12, 09:04 AM
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Not surprisingly, I commute on Ultremos every day, although for my commuter I use the Ultremo DD. They aren't really any more durable in terms of longevity but the will withstand those bits of debris that would take a chunk out of the sidewall of a true racing tire. They weigh roughly 240 grams and are as sticky a tire as you'll find. I can't really quantify whether or not they'll last you 18 months as there are so many variables to consider. My last set of DDs lasted just over 2 years, but my commute is relatively short. I do use that bike for more than just commuting though so I'd guess there was roughly 2,000 miles on the set of tires. I replaced the tires when I'd finally wore through the casing and the tube oozed out of the hole and popped. In retrospect I probably should have changed out the tires about 150-200 miles earlier. But up until that time, I didn't get one flat on that set of tires, I attribute some of that to the tire, some to paying attention to what I'm riding through, and partly to good luck.

As some have already pointed out, racing tires are generally not great commuting tires as the properties that make a tire "great" for one purpose generally preclude it from being great for other purposes. Another tire in the Schwalbe line of tires that I'm going to consider next are the Durano Plus tires. They are not light at approx. 350 grams, but they are extremely durable and have uber puncture protection for a race tire. I think one of the upsides will be, my Ultremos on my race bikes will feel that much better when I put my rain bike away for the winter.
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I guess 18 months is unrealistic, but I commute 100 miles a week and about 400 miles a month. That is not including any club rides. I guess I could get another set of tires and switch them out for club rides.
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For the record, the puncture protection belt on the Ultremo tires is actually quite effective, but it's pretty narrow and mostly covers the center rolling contact patch. The belt is a very densely woven Vectran material which is lightweight and has minimal effect on rolling resistance.

Here's a quick blurb that Bike Hugger blog posted a few years back.

https://bikehugger.com/post/view/ultremo-destructo
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Originally Posted by I_like_cereal View Post
I guess 18 months is unrealistic, but I commute 100 miles a week and about 400 miles a month. That is not including any club rides. I guess I could get another set of tires and switch them out for club rides.
You may want to consider another wheelset that you could swap out. A commuter wheelset doesn't have to be anything fancy, just durable. Put good commuter tires on them and leave your race wheels/tires for racing and club rides. Believe me, changing out tires every Friday and Sunday night will get old (although you'd be the club champion at fixing flats on the road).
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I used Ultremo R.1's the parts of the past two summers. I only used them when the roads were dry and still got 6 flats in 1900 miles. Only one of those was from a large object. By the time I got to 1900 miles, the flats were coming pretty regularly (i.e. the rubber was a lot thinner on the rear tire by that time).

Conversely, I'm currently using Grand Prix 4 Seasons on my rain commuter. They're at almost exactly 2000 miles right now and I haven't flatted yet (ask me again later today). I highly recommend these.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
I used Ultremo R.1's the parts of the past two summers. I only used them when the roads were dry and still got 6 flats in 1900 miles. Only one of those was from a large object. By the time I got to 1900 miles, the flats were coming pretty regularly (i.e. the rubber was a lot thinner on the rear tire by that time).

Conversely, I'm currently using Grand Prix 4 Seasons on my rain commuter. They're at almost exactly 2000 miles right now and I haven't flatted yet (ask me again later today). I highly recommend these.
Hey Andy, are the Contis the same width as the Ultremos were? Just curious.
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Originally Posted by Kojak View Post
Hey Andy, are the Contis the same width as the Ultremos were? Just curious.
No. That's a good point. The Contis are 700x28. The Ultremos were 700x25.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
No. That's a good point. The Contis are 700x28. The Ultremos were 700x25.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a Conti detractor here, no lie, they make great tires. But a 700x28 will wear longer than a 700x25.
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Originally Posted by Kojak View Post
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a Conti detractor here, no lie, they make great tires. But a 700x28 will wear longer than a 700x25.
Sure. It's also true that a training tire will wear longer than a racing tire, which also tilts the scales in favor of the Contis. What I was trying to address was the suitablility of these two tires as commuter tires. I absolutely loved the Ultremos. They were the best riding tire I've used. Even so, besides wearing out faster, the Ultremos got a lot of flats on dry roads, while the GP 4 Seasons have gotten no flats on wet or dry roads (and I've mostly used them on wet roads). They don't roll quite as nicely as the Ultremos, but they're decent and, in my experience, they have significantly better puncture resistence.

Of course, I don't know how the Ultremo R.1 compares to the Ultremo ZX in this regard or how either of them compares to the DD in terms of road feel.
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Cereal, I just realized you are in PDX, no tire will last 2000 miles here.

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Originally Posted by ben4345 View Post
Cereal, I just realized you are in PDX, no tire will last 2000 miles here.

I know. With the weather, roads and assorted garbage it is like riding through a construction zone everyday. My dillos lasted that long. I retired them cause I was tired of pushing a rock up a hill. I have been running the fortezza for 3 or 4 months and the other for a few weeks now. Replacing tires every 6 months is a pain and financially disheartening. Which is kind of why I am hoping that the Perfomance house brand can last.
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Replacing tires every 6 months is a pain and financially disheartening.
Even using expensive tires like GP 4 Seasons the cost is only about 6.5 cents per mile (at 2000 miles). I hate cheap tires too much to pay less than that.
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I still like the Panaracer T-Serv. I get about two seasons to the rear tire. I've only had one flat on my current pair in all that time. A 700x28 weighs 270g. I use the 25s- my wife has the 28s on her bike- they won't clear the brake bridge on my Cannondale.
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