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Old 08-16-12, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I'd like to see a vigilante bike MUP squad that used fly swatters on inconsiderate peds and lances on the inconsiderate cyclists.
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Old 08-16-12, 10:19 AM
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Perhaps the passer has found, like I have, that when you call out "on your left!" more often than not the passee swerves to the left and into your path.
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Old 08-16-12, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I think it's both...they're morons behaving negligently because they're jerks and don't think about their affect on others.
Motorists (generally) follow road rules out of fear of the consequences of getting caught; MUP users have no such consequences. I'm unoptimistic regarding my chances to meaningfully educate and/or convince them on the errors of their ways with 2.5 seconds of finger wagging.

Giving MUP users meaningful consequences (i.e., citations and enforcement) would probably improve the behavior of the users but It's not really a cost I am interested in, either fiscally in paying for enforcement or in the liberty of just having less cops around.

Whether they are stupid, jerks, or stupid jerks it is just preferable for me to deal with their stupid jerkiness for a couple of seconds, get around them and be on my way. I'm not interested in fixing the problem myself and I don't want more government to do it for me. just my two cents.
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Old 08-16-12, 10:28 AM
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I used to do the "on your left/right" thing, but most on MUPs don't understand the signal and then do something weird, like move into your path. I have a bell now that gets one of 2 results - 1) bikes and peds move to the right -or- 2) bikes and peds don't react. I haven't studied it well, but it seems that #2 has something to do with those hangy wire things coming from their ears.

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Old 08-16-12, 10:39 AM
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I use mirrors, use my bell, or yell.... I see this a lot to... my pet peeves are ..people riding on sidewalks, using crosswalks, or going the wrong way down the street... here in San Jose/Sunnyvale I see it all day long...
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Old 08-16-12, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by scroca View Post
I've startled people by calling "On your left". I think it happens more when you get too close before you say anything. So nowdays I am more likely to say, "Good morning" well in advance.

Again it's probably best to issue some kind of greeting well in advance.
This. If I call out good morning from far back, I found they are unlikely to be startled. And it's more friendly than "on your left", which sounds like a command as you barge through.
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Old 08-16-12, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Surrealdeal View Post
Motorists (generally) follow road rules out of fear of the consequences of getting caught; MUP users have no such consequences. I'm unoptimistic regarding my chances to meaningfully educate and/or convince them on the errors of their ways with 2.5 seconds of finger wagging.

Giving MUP users meaningful consequences (i.e., citations and enforcement) would probably improve the behavior of the users but It's not really a cost I am interested in, either fiscally in paying for enforcement or in the liberty of just having less cops around.

Whether they are stupid, jerks, or stupid jerks it is just preferable for me to deal with their stupid jerkiness for a couple of seconds, get around them and be on my way. I'm not interested in fixing the problem myself and I don't want more government to do it for me. just my two cents.
I pretty much see it the same way...life isn't perfect and there are going to be annoying things that get on your nerves. I suspect I might even bother others from time to time! In a perfect world, I'd like to see it stop, but it isn't a perfect world and let's be reasonable, joggers on a MUP aren't really a priority given the world we live in.

I have no moral issue with ticketing jerks, or having enforcement, I just accept it's not a priority and not likely to happen. I won't address the more government comment because it will just lead down a road sure to be divisive and pointless, suffice it to say I disagree with blanket statements like this and the sentiment behind them.
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Old 08-16-12, 10:53 AM
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I was moving down the MUP at the speed limit, and two women were walking their dogs - walking in the middle of the path, with the dogs on long leashes - both dogs way off the path on both sides. So I pretty much had no where to go. I called out on your left a long way before I reached there - they just looked back at me for a while, and after I had come to a complete stop, reeled the dogs in. I didn't say anything - and one of the women had the gall to call out "You're welcome" when I moved on - indicating that I didn't say thanks! I just shook my head and kept riding without looking back.

Rude I guess, but I was pretty irritated.
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Old 08-16-12, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Perhaps the passer has found, like I have, that when you call out "on your left!" more often than not the passee swerves to the left and into your path.
This. Like a few have said before me, if the person I'm coming upon is cruising in a straight line and there's no one else around I don't feel the on your left is needed. I usually slow my speed down and come up on them slowly and make sure no one is behind me before passing. Just like in a car. If I'm on unfamiliar territory I'll say something and make sure there's a long enough straight bit so that I don't cause any trouble.

Just the other day I was coming up on a really sharp turn to loop under a bridge and this guy tried to pass me right before the descent. I had no idea he was there...which wouldn't of bothered me if he'd just waited to pass after the most dangerous part of the entire freaking path! There's nothing worse than a slow passer in a bad area.
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Old 08-16-12, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by treadtread View Post
I was moving down the MUP at the speed limit, and two women were walking their dogs - walking in the middle of the path, with the dogs on long leashes - both dogs way off the path on both sides. So I pretty much had no where to go. I called out on your left a long way before I reached there - they just looked back at me for a while, and after I had come to a complete stop, reeled the dogs in. I didn't say anything - and one of the women had the gall to call out "You're welcome" when I moved on - indicating that I didn't say thanks! I just shook my head and kept riding without looking back.

Rude I guess, but I was pretty irritated.
It's their world, you're just living in it

We all have pet peeves, mine is most dog owners (all of whom say I'm not like that!). They sound like prime candidates for a water bottle squirting...or at least fantasizing about it. Maybe throwing some Beggin Strips into a creek.

I would consider your response amazingly restrained. I'm getting to the point where that's how I respond as well, but when I was younger, dumber and angrier I'd have shouted, confronted or done something else stupid and unproductive.
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Old 08-16-12, 11:07 AM
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Darn dog walkers!

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Old 08-16-12, 12:26 PM
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That wasn't too bad, the dog walkers in the video... typical MUP behavior. I wouldn't ride that fast on a MUP, tho.
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Old 08-16-12, 12:28 PM
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That wasn't too bad, the dog walkers in the video... typical MUP behavior. I wouldn't ride that fast on a MUP, tho.
+1...I didn't see a real problem with their behavior, but I did see the cyclists approach as being too fast once he spotted the peds.
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Old 08-16-12, 12:51 PM
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I had something similar happen to me on a trail except in my case there was someone walking on the trail in front of me on my side. As I was approaching him someone behind me is speeding in and decides to call "left" right as I'm already merging into the left lane to pass. Why would you try to pass so close and with someone walking in front. This guy had the nerve to shake his head after passing. Luckily we didn't collide but the poor guy walking could've been hit too.
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Old 08-16-12, 01:52 PM
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Sounds like some of you guys have never had a walker/jogger or cyclist pull a U-Turn as you were about to pass. Let-em know you are coming!
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Old 08-16-12, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CJ Str3tch View Post
Sorry for this rant but I need to get this off my chest.

Riding along on a MUP yesterday on the way home from work, kinda in a zone, when suddenly three bikers pass me going a few miles/hr faster. No warning, no heads up, just pass right by on the left.

OK, I've been riding for 25+ years (some of those middle years were on-and-off again) but what happened to the common courtesy of saying "on your left" before you pass someone**********? This has happened so many times in the last couple of months. I like to think that I live in a more progressive area for bikers (southern WI), but I don't think so any more.

Am I too old school or just plain out of the loop and no one does that anymore? I've been scared s**tless sometimes when out of the blue someone comes up and passes me on the trail or on the street.

I'm sorry, I just think it's common sense and common courtesy to warn someone. That's the way I was taught.

Sorry for the rant..... Carry on.

Many times I do not announce my passing, depending on the person I am passing. For instance, many times previously I have announced to someone "on your left," or what have you, only to see the person(s) do something unpredictable because I catch that person(s) off-guard. A few times this has nearly caused an accident when the person actually steps a little to the left, or turns around in a manner that brings them more into my path. This has happened with to me with walkers, runners, standers, and other cyclists. It is just a case of people not knowing what "on your left" means, and so do something that, especially on a sidewalk bike lane, can cause a collision.

My solution to this problem is to slow down, move as far over as I reasonably can, and pass by quietly. Occasionally people do get spooked, but it is better than having someone jump into my path. I gauge whether or not to do this based on who I am passing...and so far I have much more success this way than when I announce every time. You may then question me: "How would you like it if I buzzed you, unannounced, on a bike?" I would reply that it wouldn't bother me, because 9/10 times I hear the bike coming, and that one time I don't doesn't bother me.

The folks who passed you may have experienced the same thing; it is not that we have no common courtesy - I actually hold the door open for everyone behind me, offer to carry groceries for old folks whenever I can, and yes I actually tip the baggers at the commissary - it is just that the cycling community is pretty large now, and not everyone got into it having learned the same rules, ie, announcing a pass or overtake. This, in part, causes the problem I have described above, to which the the best solution I have found is to be silent.

I do, however, announce to other cyclists when it appears that the person might know what that means (age and riding style are usually the indicators here), and I have found that most pleasant way to do so is to try for some idle chit-chat on the way by. "Nice day for a ride!" is usually a good mood setter.
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Old 08-16-12, 02:56 PM
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I got tired of trying to announce myself to people who either are wearing headphones and can't hear me or just plain don't understand me.
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I got tired of trying to announce myself to people who either are wearing headphones and can't hear me or just plain don't understand me.
Which is why I just ordered a bell That is pretty universal.
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Now group riders on the other hand is a different story... I am getting to the point where I hate them mofos!

"Oh look at us! We all have matching jerseys and helmets! So we're entitled to the entire width of the path riding side-by-side-by-side! Now be a sport and ride in the ditch when you come by us!"

Then I liked the ones I passed by yesterday... 4 of them hogging up the whole trail. As I get up to them I say "passing by." Not one of them move and keep riding like they don't care and I know they heard me because they looked back at me. So I say it again... finally one says "go on through!" and they make me weave in and out of 4 riders... I felt like kicking them over as I rode past.
I've gotta agree with you, and sadly it isn't just "large groups" either. I've encountered groups as "small" as 2 or 3 that are "hogging" the whole trail, expecting everyone else to get out of their way. Next on the trails are those walkers and cyclists who don't care which side of the trail that they're on. And if they're walkers walking on the bicycle side they act as if the cyclist is the one doing something wrong for trying to ride on the correct side. The last group are dog walkers who either let their dog(s) off leash, or have 'em on a leash that's longer then 6'.

On the road, are cyclists who run red lights and stop signs, ride against traffic, and ride on the sidewalk, and ride without lights.
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It's a public space, the public will be on it. Expecting the public to behave in any prescribed or approved way is a one way ticket to disappointment town. Expect the worst, hope for the best.
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Originally Posted by PedalingFool View Post
Darn dog walkers!

that wasn't bad at all.

over here, when they moved to the right, ten bikes would've squirted through.

a classy guy would've have run his bell at least 5 seconds in advance, but perhaps ....

also, if that's "trail hogging" you need to ride on really busy MUPs, not this crap that your posting.

it seems as if you're looking for trouble, which you'll find quite soon, i imagine
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This discussion reminds me of the reasons why I choose not to ride the MUPs as much as possible. Of course, I happen to have great options to choose for my commute and I'm not obligated to take the pathways.

Still, I prefer riding in motor traffic; it's more predictable than foot traffic.
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that wasn't bad at all.

over here, when they moved to the right, ten bikes would've squirted through.

a classy guy would've have run his bell at least 5 seconds in advance, but perhaps ....

also, if that's "trail hogging" you need to ride on really busy MUPs, not this crap that your posting.

it seems as if you're looking for trouble, which you'll find quite soon, i imagine
This post seems needlessly harsh, especially considering the post and video it was commenting on. I sentence you to a long bike ride to help lighten your heart...
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This post seems needlessly harsh, especially considering the post and video it was commenting on. I sentence you to a long bike ride to help lighten your heart...
I'll do the penance in his stead. Yayyyyyy, I get to ride some more!
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Perhaps the passer has found, like I have, that when you call out "on your left!" more often than not the passee swerves to the left and into your path.
This. Like a few have said before me, if the person I'm coming upon is cruising in a straight line and there's no one else around I don't feel the on your left is needed. I usually slow my speed down and come up on them slowly and make sure no one is behind me before passing. Just like in a car. If I'm on unfamiliar territory I'll say something and make sure there's a long enough straight bit so that I don't cause any trouble.

Just the other day I was coming up on a really sharp turn to loop under a bridge and this guy tried to pass me right before the descent. I had no idea he was there...which wouldn't of bothered me if he'd just waited to pass after the most dangerous part of the entire freaking path! There's nothing worse than a slow passer in a bad area.
I can top that. A couple of weeks ago I was near the top of one of the overpasses on The Pinellas Trail. When some moron I guess it would be "cute" to ride his bike right at me. Fortunately there was enough room to avoid him.
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