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Old 08-16-12, 06:20 AM
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Pet Peeve/Rant...

Sorry for this rant but I need to get this off my chest.

Riding along on a MUP yesterday on the way home from work, kinda in a zone, when suddenly three bikers pass me going a few miles/hr faster. No warning, no heads up, just pass right by on the left.

OK, I've been riding for 25+ years (some of those middle years were on-and-off again) but what happened to the common courtesy of saying "on your left" before you pass someone**********? This has happened so many times in the last couple of months. I like to think that I live in a more progressive area for bikers (southern WI), but I don't think so any more.

Am I too old school or just plain out of the loop and no one does that anymore? I've been scared s**tless sometimes when out of the blue someone comes up and passes me on the trail or on the street.

I'm sorry, I just think it's common sense and common courtesy to warn someone. That's the way I was taught.

Sorry for the rant..... Carry on.
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Old 08-16-12, 06:31 AM
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Common courtesy, it is lacking with people these days. As you said, you are old school, when courtesy was taught to most people. These days is seems that most people do not seem to be taught or maybe they dont use manners.
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Old 08-16-12, 06:35 AM
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when suddenly three bikers pass me going a few miles/hr faster. No warning, no heads up, just pass right by on the left.
Well if you always stay to the right, like you should be doing (not that I'm saying you're not), then it shouldn't even be a problem...

Myself, I prefer you not to say anything... Just shut up and pass. I'll stay on my side.
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Old 08-16-12, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CJ Str3tch View Post
kinda in a zone
Is it possible that while you were zoning, they said it, and you didnt hear it?
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Old 08-16-12, 06:40 AM
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i hate it when people say "on your left/right." it's way too formal. i find it totally annoying and much prefer hearing the classic bike bell.
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Old 08-16-12, 06:42 AM
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Now group riders on the other hand is a different story... I am getting to the point where I hate them mofos!

"Oh look at us! We all have matching jerseys and helmets! So we're entitled to the entire width of the path riding side-by-side-by-side! Now be a sport and ride in the ditch when you come by us!"

Then I liked the ones I passed by yesterday... 4 of them hogging up the whole trail. As I get up to them I say "passing by." Not one of them move and keep riding like they don't care and I know they heard me because they looked back at me. So I say it again... finally one says "go on through!" and they make me weave in and out of 4 riders... I felt like kicking them over as I rode past.
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Old 08-16-12, 06:53 AM
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Myself, I prefer you not to say anything... Just shut up and pass. I'll stay on my side.
So you don't mind being scared chitless by someone coming up on you? I find it hard to believe anyone would; and who knows what's coming up behind you in the first place? (Yes, I know the rear view mirrors help with that.)
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Old 08-16-12, 06:57 AM
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A lack of an on your left warning doesn't bother me any.
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Originally Posted by CJ Str3tch View Post
So you don't mind being scared chitless by someone coming up on you?
I don't get scared chitless... I know it's a public MUP and there will be other people around you using it... not just me.
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Old 08-16-12, 07:00 AM
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Indeed. Hence the reason I ride to the right.
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Indeed. Hence the reason I ride to the right.
Riding on the right, to me, is a no-brainer.... just like "on your left". I guess for me, I'm still old school.

Guess I'll start a thread for where to put my walking cane on my bike when I commute or the pros and cons of the Hover-round vs my Trek 2100....
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Old 08-16-12, 07:15 AM
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I'm ambivalent about getting the "on the left" call...especially on MUPs with space. If they're passing me and there are throngs of people, I do like a warning. I always say passing on the left if it's in a narrow bike lane or on a city street because the person might have an obstacle in front of them and have to adjust. If it's a relatively wide MUP, and there's not many users, I'll just pass.

I'm not sure what the anti-roadie/anti-pack thing is about, but I have fewer problems with roadies than any other group. The packs I see ride politely, pass politely and have good handling skills. I'll take a group of roadies over most other cliques any time. The other group I rarely have problems with are the fixed gear/messenger crowd. Most of those guys are experienced riders and usually have good road manners.

The folks I consistently have issues with are the department store gang on a bike because of their DUI or license revocation. Also BMX riders seem to behave poorly as a group.

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Old 08-16-12, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CJ Str3tch View Post
Riding on the right, to me, is a no-brainer.... just like "on your left". I guess for me, I'm still old school.

Guess I'll start a thread for where to put my walking cane on my bike when I commute or the pros and cons of the Hover-round vs my Trek 2100....
I'm also used to riding in packs.
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Old 08-16-12, 07:26 AM
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I use mirrors, I do what I can to be aware of my surroundings. That said I'm old school and courteous so I will let someone know I'm approaching from behind. If I approach a group of guys who take up the entire path and don't allow room to pass when I let them know my intentions, I barge through.
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Old 08-16-12, 07:39 AM
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I usually say something or ring my bell, but don't care if others do. However, if I'm passing someone, and someone else comes around me at the same time unannounced, I get annoyed because it creates an unsafe situation.
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I almost never get a passing call on the MUP's. It doesn't really bother me. I do it if the person I'm passing isn't as far right as practical, though. Now, all those morons riding three abreast on a single lane each way MUP... that gets me peeved.
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I've found that if I'm zoning out either way I get startled when somebody passes me without warning or by the warning itself. If I'm paying attention then it's no problem either way.

Happened to me just this morning: I was out for my morning run, trotting along down the quiet, empy MUP. I don't use headphones as I enjoy hearing the sounds of nature. As I plodded along my mind had drifted off to an issue at work. Suddenly I hear a voice saying, "Passing on your left," and I about jumped out of my skin. Got passed a few more times this morning, both with warning and without, and none of them caused me any issue because I was paying attention.
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Sorry. I'm not following. Why is it startling to be passed on a MUP if you both stay in your space?
I save the call-outs for the bike wigglers and walkers with pets on leashes.
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Old 08-16-12, 08:59 AM
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I've startled people by calling "On your left". I think it happens more when you get too close before you say anything. So nowdays I am more likely to say, "Good morning" well in advance. That gives me time to see if they are going to move over in case they are in the middle or on the left side and by being farther away it doesn't usually startle anyone.

I've also seen people move to the left when I've called out "On your left", as if they either didn't understand what I said or thought it was a command for them to obey. (This is rare though). Again it's probably best to issue some kind of greeting well in advance.

Not sure there's any good remedy for those wearing earphones.
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When I'm out riding maybe 1 in 8 people that pass me warn me first. It does not bother me if they are moving just a little faster than me because I can normally hear them coming. However, if they are moving fast enough to blow past me like I'm standing still it's annoying. My problem is if I don't know they're coming and think I have the lane to myself and drift to the left a little we have a massive wreck.

After being frustrated with this for a while I decided a few things:

#1- Get faster.
#2- Put a helmet mirror on and check your blind side once in a while.
#3- I put a bell on my bike to warn people I'm coming.
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I don't get passed often but when I do I would prefer the courtesy of a warning over a Dos Equis.

In all seriousness it's a courtesy that I extend to others and would appreciate in return. I go a step further and add extra words by saying something like, "Hi, I'm passing on your left" to give them an extra second to process what's going on and get used to it before I go on by. Plus it sounds friendlier. As far as a bell goes, I don't see them used much in my little corner of the world and they are not required by law. I may consider getting one someday but I'm not sure that anyone I encounter would know how to process getting dinged at.

My commuting is reduced greatly this year by training for a marathon that I am running in October, but I am still out on the MUP as a classic commuter's nightmare, the jogger with earbuds. For my part I hold my line and check behind me before I make any sudden moves. I am a bit dismayed by the number of other joggers and cyclists alike who cannot figure out that the MUP is meant for two-way traffic and that you are supposed to stay to your right.
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I've been startled by an "on your left," and I definitely wobble a little if I'm zoned out. Usually, I try to ride in a straight line so people can pass safely. If I feel like I have to say something, I either say "passing" or just say hello.
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I don't get passed often but when I do I would prefer the courtesy of a warning over a Dos Equis.

In all seriousness it's a courtesy that I extend to others and would appreciate in return. I go a step further and add extra words by saying something like, "Hi, I'm passing on your left" to give them an extra second to process what's going on and get used to it before I go on by. Plus it sounds friendlier. As far as a bell goes, I don't see them used much in my little corner of the world and they are not required by law. I may consider getting one someday but I'm not sure that anyone I encounter would know how to process getting dinged at.

My commuting is reduced greatly this year by training for a marathon that I am running in October, but I am still out on the MUP as a classic commuter's nightmare, the jogger with earbuds. For my part I hold my line and check behind me before I make any sudden moves. I am a bit dismayed by the number of other joggers and cyclists alike who cannot figure out that the MUP is meant for two-way traffic and that you are supposed to stay to your right.
I've found that if you trust people to behave decently, you will almost invariably be let down. Without rules and force behind them, there is no decency. A couple of meatheads will invariably act like jerks, get away with it and others will assume it's OK to do as well.

I'd like to see a vigilante bike MUP squad that used fly swatters on inconsiderate peds and lances on the inconsiderate cyclists. I kid, but I can dream.
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I've found that if you trust people to behave decently, you will almost invariably be let down. Without rules and force behind them, there is no decency. A couple of meatheads will invariably act like jerks, get away with it and others will assume it's OK to do as well.

I'd like to see a vigilante bike MUP squad that used fly swatters on inconsiderate peds and lances on the inconsiderate cyclists. I kid, but I can dream.
I don't trust anyone to not be oblivious. MUP users are no more trustworthy than motorists as far as I'm concerned, but at least most motorists generally drive on the correct side of the road (No absolutes there either of course) and their paths of movement are somewhat predictable. On the MUP weaving, abrupt stopping, flying wedges and just plain old salmoning are rampant. I don't attribute this to people being jerks, I attribute it to them being morons. Like the saying goes, you can't fix stupid.
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I don't trust anyone to not be oblivious. MUP users are no more trustworthy than motorists as far as I'm concerned, but at least most motorists generally drive on the correct side of the road (No absolutes there either of course) and their paths of movement are somewhat predictable. On the MUP weaving, abrupt stopping, flying wedges and just plain old salmoning are rampant. I don't attribute this to people being jerks, I attribute it to them being morons. Like the saying goes, you can't fix stupid.
I think it's both...they're morons behaving negligently because they're jerks and don't think about their affect on others.
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