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Old 09-08-12, 10:09 PM
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Pondering a new rack and pannier..

Currently not commuting (no job), but I stripped my cheap Avenir rack off of the bike. Had heel strike when I attempted to use panniers, then started strapping the backpack to the top of the rack or using an expanding rack trunk. LIght loads up high like that are fine, but heavier loads can be kind of finiky. Also don't like the seat post being blocked (that's where my Cherrybomb and reflector are at), nor having to do a leg swing up and over that would make a Rockette proud.

I've found a combo that may work for my purposes, both Axiom products. The rack is the Journey w/Spring and the pannier is the bag is the Kingston Commuter 18.

My intent is use the pannier for year round duty and then use a small stuff sack with any layers that won't fit in the pannier secured to the rack via the spring (with a bungee back-up). Only thing is, I don't know if the spring will have room to raise once the pannier is mounted. I suppose I could raise the spring arm before mounting the pannier...

Any thoughts on the pannier's attachment system? I realize it's not Ortlieb, but it is Rixen and Kaul, and also not just a simple hooks up top and elastic cord below.
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Old 09-08-12, 11:26 PM
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... LIght loads up high like that are fine, but heavier loads can be kind of finiky. Also don't like the seat post being blocked (that's where my Cherrybomb and reflector are at)...
I have no idea about your setup, but I have never had a problem with a heavier load up high in a Carradice Nelson Longflap. I have also never had a problem finding a way to mount my DiNotte 140L underneath somewhere. I'm not commuting now, for a variety of reasons, but have commuted and ridden thousands of miles with this set-up. For some reason, the extra weight right underneath my hips seems to make little difference...
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Old 09-09-12, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hopperja View Post
I have no idea about your setup, but I have never had a problem with a heavier load up high in a Carradice Nelson Longflap. I have also never had a problem finding a way to mount my DiNotte 140L underneath somewhere. I'm not commuting now, for a variety of reasons, but have commuted and ridden thousands of miles with this set-up. For some reason, the extra weight right underneath my hips seems to make little difference...
I'd love to get my hands on a Carradice, but not in the budget.

I've often read comments that you really don't notice the load all that much when using something like a Carradice. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that is because though the CoG is being raised a bit, the CoM really isn't. Now take that same load and put it in a trunk bag which raises both the CoG and CoM. Odds are good you'll notice a difference. Unfortunately, I'm unable to prove my own hypothesis at this time.
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Hard to do better than Ortlieb.. I have 3 pair, a roller set on my Touring/trekking bike
sit on a tubus ergo/logo pair, Logo solves heel strike

and a Sport-packer front with the thinner tube hook (8mm)inserts on my bike friday
front rack.

Carradice saddle bags , since they are attached to the saddle
are an extension of the mass of your bum on the saddle..
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A good pannier has quick release locking hooks, a heel cutout profile , external pocket, reflector, flap or roll top.
Avoid square cut shape, main zipper closure, hook and elastic mount, locking mounts that are cheap knockoffs.
a good rack accepts the locking mounts so no sections of twin rod, it has 3 legs with triangulation, non adjustable legs the correct length and a rear lamp bracket.
Some racks have dogleg struts. You need this if your pannier stiffening is not very good.
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Old 09-09-12, 09:19 AM
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I had a heel problem with my Arkel panniers until I found the Jandd expedition rack which is three inches longer than standard racks. This completely solved my heel strike problem

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Old 09-09-12, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by nosloedone View Post
I had a heel problem with my Arkel panniers until I found the Jandd expedition rack which is three inches longer than standard racks. This completely solved my heel strick problem
The platform on my old rack is 12" long. Just about any rack that is at least 15" should eliminate the heel strike issues with my 16.3" chain stays.
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Originally Posted by no1mad View Post
I'd love to get my hands on a Carradice, but not in the budget...
You're considering spending 98 CAD on a rack and 18L pannier.

Wiggle currently has the Nelson Longflap (18L) for 72.68 CAD with (I believe) free delivery. If you went the saddle bag route and needed a larger bag, the Camper Longflap (24L) is 78.73 CAD.

What I like about the Nelson:
1- it is waterproof
2- weight doesn't seem to affect handling, especially when seated
3- it is expandable
4- a 35L dry sack can easily be strapped to the outside (my 35L dry sack holds my stove, tent, sleeping mat, and sleeping bag with room to spare).

Downside:
1- it's not easily removeable unless you have a quick release seatpost and take the seat/post/bag with you, or buy the optional quick release set-up

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I have an Axiom Odyssee and use my Arkel GT-18s for general commuting (not much need around town for my GT-54s). It seem that Axiom stopped making the alloy version of the Odyssee (rated to 85 lbs) about a year or so ago; the only ones available at the moment seem to be residual stock. I'm guessing this had to do with price-point- it's nearly as nice as a similar cromo rack made by Axiom's sister (parent?) company, which costs like, three or four times as much.

I've been thinking about trying the Racktime Addit on one of my other bikes, a 700c frame... I like the fact that you can hang your panniers a tad lower, ergo lowering your center of gravity and increasing the stability of your ride, kind of a good thing for a taller bike. I had the opportunity to ask a couple of people who'd just used them on a tour up Highway 101 (from SF to PDX) and they had some pretty good things to say about them.
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Old 09-18-12, 09:15 PM
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Have never found a practical use for a spring version of any rack - maybe I missed out somewhere. I do have the non-spring version of that same rack.

The big question is - is it the rack or your current pannier bag profile thats the problem? Generally panniers tend to have similar heights, but differ in lengths. So the larger ones, unless they have diagonal cutouts, cause healstrike issues on anything short of a full touring frame as they sit further forward AND further backwards. So before you drop your money - how have you decided that these will be any different than what you have now?
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Old 09-18-12, 09:22 PM
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Have never found a practical use for a spring version of any rack - maybe I missed out somewhere. I do have the non-spring version of that same rack.

The big question is - is it the rack or your current pannier bag profile thats the problem? Generally panniers tend to have similar heights, but differ in lengths. So the larger ones, unless they have diagonal cutouts, cause healstrike issues on anything short of a full touring frame as they sit further forward AND further backwards. So before you drop your money - how have you decided that these will be any different than what you have now?
My bike has 26" wheels, 16.3" chain stays, and the rack platform length of 12". A different rack that has a longer platform would help by allowing the pannier(s) to be mounted further back. My main concern is if it's too much weight too far back, it could have an adverse effect on ride characteristics.
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Originally Posted by no1mad View Post
My bike has 26" wheels, 16.3" chain stays, and the rack platform length of 12". A different rack that has a longer platform would help by allowing the pannier(s) to be mounted further back. My main concern is if it's too much weight too far back, it could have an adverse effect on ride characteristics.

So here's a completely differently suggestion - go for a front rack and try your existing panniers first. Personally I MUCH prefer that arrangement to rear panniers myself. Is handling affected? Yup - IMO in a GOOD way. Steering is a bit heavy at low speeds, but the bike is emmensely more stable at anything over 10km/h.
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The suggestion about adding a front rack also came up in another thread. My response there is the same here: point out a couple of models that won't break the bank that will work with what I already have and won't block my bar mounted light, then I'll consider it.
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I have an axiom rack and where it screws into the eyelet at the bottom back, it has a spacer which shifts everything about 10cm, eliminating heel hits. It is in my thread for Windsor Wellington 2.0.
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I have the waterproof monsoon Axiom panniers for winter with a Civia rack. Its a pretty nice set up at least for me. The Axioms aren't as big as the Ortlieb backrollers but are nearly identical in the way they are made just a big bag and roll the top and latch them down. I like em and they cost a good bit less than the Ortliebs items.
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The suggestion about adding a front rack also came up in another thread. My response there is the same here: point out a couple of models that won't break the bank that will work with what I already have and won't block my bar mounted light, then I'll consider it.
Axiom, Blackburn and Boyager all make front mount low riders for less than $45. I would think that would be cheaper than a new rear rack and new panniers. The issue with your bar mounted light I'm not following. How is a front rack going to affect that?
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Originally Posted by Burton View Post
Axiom, Blackburn and Boyager all make front mount low riders for less than $45. I would think that would be cheaper than a new rear rack and new panniers. The issue with your bar mounted light I'm not following. How is a front rack going to affect that?
I perused the various offerings on Amazon earlier today. Doesn't look like low rider racks would interfere, but the porteur (sp?) style might. That being said, my fork lacks the mid fork points. I've got eyelets for the fender and the hole at the fork crown. This one from Soma Fab might work. https://www.amazon.com/Soma-Front-All...rications+rack
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I actually have this bag and the non-spring version of this rack. Lemme know if you'd like some pictures, I'm not how the spring rack compares with the normal joruney, but pictures may provide insight. The pannier is pretty small to be honest. You could use it as a front it looks like. The attachment system is spot on but I haven't used any other panniers. It has a flip hook that works very well and the cord underneith comes adjusted perfectly for the journey rack.

I'll see if I can get some pictures tomorrow in the light : )
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