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Leisesturm 09-28-12 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alupang (Post 14785045)
Wow this is my biggest fear...to be hit from behind completely unaware. Glad to hear you are "OK" and not giving up biking. Here on Guam a lot of my route to work has absolutely no shoulder and even if, I see careless drivers drifting into the shoulder almost everyday. This is why I ride in the shoulder against traffic and pull off into the grass often. I must be able to see and react to shoulder drifting drivers. No way I can turn my back to these *******. I don't see how you guys do it;it takes a lot of guts.

We call that "salmoning" here, and it is illegal in most places. Only pedestrians can travel legally against traffic. That said, if salmoning is part of the overarching bicycle road culture in Guam and a LARGE majority of cyclists ride that way, then drivers will be used to it. Red light running is not legal in NYC but such a large number of cyclists do it that you don't even get so much as a honk from drivers as you sail past. In Oregon where I live now, red light running is not a big part of bicycle roadcraft and when I do it it really riles up the drivers that I leave behind. If your fellow cyclists are managing to navigate the roads of Guam without needing to ride against traffic then YOU become the outlier and your life will be the harder for it. It may even be a shorter life despite your "efforts" to prolong it.

H

LetzRide 09-28-12 02:33 PM

I have used a mirror for years and hate to ride without. I have observed motorists overtaking me, sometimes at high speed. They have always passed or slowed at the last minute. I have never taken evasive maneuvers which called for riding off the road into a ditch, curb, or sidewalk full of peds. I sometimes move to the right when I know there is a vehicle behind me to make it easier to pass. Sometimes on a busy street controlled by traffic signals I will use it to avoid a group of cars by ducking into a parking lot for a minute while they pass. Better that than several minutes of close encounters with petroholics. I don't think a mirror would have prevented the incident. A vest would help the majority of motorists to see you and avoid a collision; however, the threat of distracted driving poses a risk to everyone on the road. Where's my flying bicycle :/

bkrownd 09-28-12 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Leisesturm (Post 14785089)
I'm sorry, I just don't see how a mirror would have saved the o.p. unless he spent so much time monitoring it

Maybe it could have, maybe not. However, it's worth having even if it's only 50% effective. Yes, you're supposed to monitor it every few seconds, which is a really trivial amount of effort to those of us who don't have vision problems. I value my mirror mostly for keeping me aware of my surroundings, and not having to unbalance myself or take my eye off the road by looking back over my shoulder. The mirror also keeps ME from making stupid mistakes like crossing in front of other vehicles' paths or panic-stopping in front of cars.

As far as riding in the lane...that's where you're supposed to ride, practical or not. (providing you've got all the proper and necessary visibility gear)

chefisaac 09-28-12 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrownd (Post 14785268)
Maybe it could have, maybe not. However, it's worth having even if it's only 50% effective. Yes, you're supposed to monitor it every few seconds, which is a really trivial amount of effort to those of us who don't have vision problems. I value my mirror mostly for keeping me aware of my surroundings, and not having to unbalance myself or take my eye off the road by looking back over my shoulder. The mirror also keeps ME from making stupid mistakes like crossing in front of other vehicles' paths or panic-stopping in front of cars.

As far as riding in the lane...that's where you're supposed to ride, practical or not. (providing you've got all the proper and necessary visibility gear)

agreed. My mirror has prevented many right hooks. Tells me the story on whats going on behind me. Gives me another tool in the tool box.

Notso_fastLane 09-28-12 04:16 PM

And people wonder why I still sometimes wear my florescent orange shirt with large lettering on the back that says "Can you see me now, a$$hole?"

I don't care so much about the message the drivers are getting that might be bad, as long as they are seeing it..... :D

Leisesturm 09-28-12 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrownd (Post 14785268)
Maybe it could have, maybe not. However, it's worth having even if it's only 50% effective. Yes, you're supposed to monitor it every few seconds, which is a really trivial amount of effort to those of us who don't have vision problems. I value my mirror mostly for keeping me aware of my surroundings, and not having to unbalance myself or take my eye off the road by looking back over my shoulder. The mirror also keeps ME from making stupid mistakes like crossing in front of other vehicles' paths or panic-stopping in front of cars.

As far as riding in the lane...that's where you're supposed to ride, practical or not. (providing you've got all the proper and necessary visibility gear)

I own, and use, mirrors every ride. I won't make a lane change without checking my mirrors. That said, I stand by my earlier observation that a mirror would not have been of much use in the incident that was described above. And, no, you are not supposed to ride in the lane. You are supposed to ride to the side of the lane out of the path of vehicle traffic. That's the law here and most everywhere else that I know of.

H

wicked ink 09-28-12 05:30 PM

Glad to hear you're ok.

bkrownd 09-28-12 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Leisesturm (Post 14785736)
I own, and use, mirrors every ride. I won't make a lane change without checking my mirrors. That said, I stand by my earlier observation that a mirror would not have been of much use in the incident that was described above. And, no, you are not supposed to ride in the lane. You are supposed to ride to the side of the lane out of the path of vehicle traffic. That's the law here and most everywhere else that I know of.

H

Where is "here"? Bikes are vehicle traffic. Your laws say that bikes have to ride on the shoulder? (if shoulders are even available)

WorldPax 09-28-12 06:11 PM

I'm a realist. The cop was a bit of a dick, but he did his job. I have no desire to waste my time whining to his superior that he could have been more sensitive. I'll just ***** about him on the net like any good American. And I don't see how this crime could be solved, no witnesses, admittedly shaky description from me, and if I left a mark on the vehicle it's just going to blend in with the others (old pickup that had seen better days).

For the poster wondering where this happened, it was eastbound on 11th, just west of Garnet. I was "in" the right lane. It had rained and I was moving in the lane as needed to avoid puddles near the curb. When i was struck i was on the left side of the right hand lane. i have deduced that he probably hit me with the drivers side front bumper which means he just drove straight into me without attempting to avoid. Who knows, drunk, dirty windshield, no headlights, texting...the list goes on.

As a safety trainer for a large trucking company my day job is to prevent accidents, and I've been thinking about what I could have done to prevent this. Obviously I have no control over the other driver, I'll let karma take care of him, but what could I have done to try and prevent this? Maybe nothing, maybe no amount of flashers, vests, mirrors, or force fields would have helped. Nothing in life is without risk, and if you spend too much time trying to mitigate it, life stops being enjoyable.

I've been meaning to get a mirror, might have helped-as a truck driver I'm pretty used to monitoring them without losing my forward focus.- call it 50/50 but it's not a huge impact on my wallet or enjoyment of my ride.

Safety vest? considering the brightness of my flasher I don't think visibility was a factor, but I'm thinking better to have too much than not enough. No telling what is going to catch their eye. Add reflective tape to this list also.

Camera? Doubt it would have worked or survived the impact. It was dark and wet, add my flasher and the oncoming headlights and I doubt there would have been any useful information gathered. Too much money and something else i have to worry about maintaining for probably no payoff.

For the poster who mentioned my helmet, definitely getting a new one. no worries there.

Only other thing i can think of is the bike and my route. Even if I had spotted him coming in my mirror, I haven't really practiced jumping up the curb at speed in a long time, or if I don't want to be bike specific and go to something more suited to jumping curbs maybe my reaction to perceived threats should be to slow down or stop and get as close to the curb as possible. As for route, I might be able to vary it, but the area i would have to travel through, although it might have slower traffic, it might expose me to nefarious activities.

Is there any excuse for the guy hitting me? Nope, i was well within my rights to be there. Could I have done more to prevent it? I'm going to say yes and take action to correct my deficiencies. Could it happen again even though I've taken action? Of course, but who knows, if I'd continued driving my car, I might have been t-boned by a dump truck. You leave the house, you take the risk. heck! you're not even safe in your own house. Don't get me started on bathtubs and power tools.

Be safe everyone.

smasha 09-28-12 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by silmarillion (Post 14782562)
What kind of asshat rear-ends someone on a bike, and takes off? :mad:

a) drunk asshat
b) asshat without a valid license
c) asshat, N.O.S.
d) all of the above


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Originally Posted by silmarillion (Post 14782562)
Thank goodness you'll be okay. Gear can be fixed and replaced. I'm sorry your ride got jacked up though.

You know, this is why I went ahead and bought a GoPro camera. If you could have captured the tag, then you would have been able to recover the stuff they damaged. What kind of asshat rear-ends someone on a bike, and takes off? :mad:

And they would have been in hot water too. Dick Tracy would have had to actually do his job instead of adding insult to injury.

Try to keep the wounds clean and dry, You'll probably need some Aleve in the morning. :)

+1k

cops lack resources (everything from bicycle training to manpower) and if you walked away, that makes the incident low priority. video is a total game-changer; it turns the cops' job of finding a hit-n-run driver from something that could take hundreds of hours of resources with low probability of a prosecution, to something that could take less than an hour and result in a high probability of prosecution.

bkrownd 09-28-12 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WorldPax (Post 14785892)
Camera? Doubt it would have worked or survived the impact. It was dark and wet, add my flasher and the oncoming headlights and I doubt there would have been any useful information gathered. Too much money and something else i have to worry about maintaining for probably no payoff.

The only thing that really needs to survive the impact is the data card, and they almost certainly will.

bubbagrannygear 09-28-12 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WorldPax (Post 14782466)
Think I'm going to just drive in to work tomorrow, get a mirror and safety vest this weekend, then back on the bike Monday.

Get the kind of vest with the silver tape. I have one and am amazed at how much they stand out when I see them on others while driving.

Also consider this http://store.dinottelighting.com/300...tery-p111.aspx

WorldPax 09-28-12 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrownd (Post 14785907)
The only thing that really needs to survive the impact is the data card, and they almost certainly will.

Even then, would they capture any valuable information in such poor conditions.

Ns1 09-28-12 06:44 PM

Sigh, another one of these threads...

Need to get a camera or get a car =X

smasha 09-28-12 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WorldPax (Post 14785967)
Even then, would they capture any valuable information in such poor conditions.

one never knows. there have been times when i've been surprised by getting a plate capture, and there have been times when i've been surprised to not get a plate capture. there are no guarantees. all i can say is the HERO2s do better than any of the other cameras i've used.

it also helps to mount a wide-angle light (eg red-zone-4) near the camera. this will reflect off of plates and often results in some very crisp plate captures, even at night, even with headlights pointed at the camera.

the other "trick" is to run multiple cameras. four cameras = 4x the chance of getting a plate on video.

unterhausen 09-28-12 07:57 PM

reflective vest and reflective ankle bands make a huge difference in your visibility in the dark

silmarillion 09-28-12 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by drjava (Post 14784632)
Anyone tried the Tachyon cameras?

http://www.tachyoninc.com/

Looks pretty cool. Doesn't have the resolution options as the GoPro, but it's only a third the cost. My only concern is at 30FPS, I wonder if you could capture a tag# on a moving vehicle very well.

Ridefreemc 09-28-12 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by silmarillion (Post 14784260)
Yeah, maybe for Christmas. I actually have a Kodak video camera that's every bit as good at capturing video as the GoPro, but there is just no way to mount it to the seat post unless I fab one up.

The only reason I have one on my bike at all is because of situations like this one right here. If you don't have any way to prove that you were hit, then it's your word against theirs. That's only if you aren't injured to the point where you couldn't get a tag#.

Cameras don't lie...and video evidence is admissible in court. Especially if it's a felonious hit and run.

It would be really cool if GoPro, or another camera company could make a camera that had 2 small remote lenses that fed video data into a central unit.

Go to Ram mounts and look at the smaller balls. They screw in the bottom of the Kodak, then there are brackets that you could mount to the seatpost.

silmarillion 09-28-12 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chefisaac (Post 14784984)
That would be pretty neat. Is the Kodak waterproof? Anyway you could mount it to the rack on the back if you have one?

Oh yeah, it's one of those Kodak Play Sport cameras. HD 1080 just like the GoPro. It's actually better underwater than the GoPro.

I don't have a rack, but I have thought about designing a holder that could attach to the seat post. I kinda sketched up this claw looking, Voyage to The Bottom of the Sea flying sub thingamajig in SolidWorks. But I'm not too happy with it. I could machine away most of the material to lighten it up, but I think it's still too bulky.

I'm really surprised with the technology that they put in cellphones and laptops, that they haven't come up with a good remote lens setup like I mentioned before. I bet you can get something like that, but it's probably wicked expensive. You know something like a surveillance camera....

smasha 09-28-12 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by silmarillion (Post 14786208)
My only concern is at 30FPS, I wonder if you could capture a tag# on a moving vehicle very well.

in direct sunlight, 60fps may come out ahead. in other conditions (less light, low speed differential) 30fps may come out ahead. there are a lot of variables, and no One Right Answer™.

IMHO, the HERO2 is the best bike camera (and impartial witness) for the money, overall.

silmarillion 09-28-12 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by unterhausen (Post 14786182)
reflective vest and reflective ankle bands make a huge difference in your visibility in the dark

Agreed, the other thing that improves visibility is a good Planet Bike Super Flash. My neighbors are always telling me they can see me from long distances in the mornings as they leave for work.

Believe it or not.. I have been equally impressed with the little "Spock" lights too. They sure are bright for being such a small light.

silmarillion 09-28-12 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by smasha (Post 14786272)
in direct sunlight, 60fps may come out ahead. in other conditions (less light, low speed differential) 30fps may come out ahead. there are a lot of variables, and no One Right Answer™.

IMHO, the HERO2 is the best bike camera (and impartial witness) for the money, overall.

Yeah, I have the Hero2. I really like it, but I was messed up when I took it on a drift dive in Florida, and the resolution is just like opening your naked eyes underwater.

That still really bums me out.

But as far as dry land, the GoPro should catch most any image if it's within aspect range.

silmarillion 09-28-12 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ridefreemc (Post 14786246)
Go to Ram mounts and look at the smaller balls. They screw in the bottom of the Kodak, then there are brackets that you could mount to the seatpost.

Oh Yeah, I see what you are talking about...I was just wanting something a little more secure than just that one screw mount. That's just tapped plastic. I'm not too sure about the strength of those threads and the vibration that they would be subject to on my bike. But I will google it and have a look..Thanks!

Wow! aren't we just a load of techno-freds! Our bikes are going to become something similar to Darth Vader..More technology than machine...twisted and evil. :eek:

smasha 09-28-12 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by silmarillion (Post 14786285)
Yeah, I have the Hero2. I really like it, but I was messed up when I took it on a drift dive in Florida, and the resolution is just like opening your naked eyes underwater.

i'm not an expert on underwater use (i always ride the bike on land), but there's at least one after-market lens adaptor thing for using it underwater.

silmarillion 09-28-12 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by smasha (Post 14786319)
i'm not an expert on underwater use (i always ride the bike on land), but there's at least one after-market lens adaptor thing for using it underwater.

Gosh, no wonder it was so hard to pedal! I saw that when I started investigating the problem. Need to get one of those...

Hey New Zealand! Have you seen any Hobbits down under mate?

Can't wait until Dec 14th...


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