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Old 10-20-12, 01:11 PM
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Heavy Traffic, Vehicular Cycling using a lowracer in Khobar, SA

This is a commute I have recorded using two cameras to work in Khobar, Saudi Arabia. I try to explain vehicular cycling, especially lane capture, how to pass exits, and when to choose the middle lanes, how to notify cars, blind spots! etc

I have added, Arabic and English subtitles because of some requests!


I hope you enjoy it!

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Alhamdulillah. It looks difficult. Motorists are not accustomed to seeing cyclists, are they?

I like the video, and I like your two-camera setup. Very interesting.

What else can you tell us about cycling in Saudi Arabia? Have you cycled in other countries near you?
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welcome noglider, I am glad it suited you. I like commuting and cycling here alot, I have cycled in near-by cities, some gulf countries, and some US states/cities too! The video set up is new to me too, also this is the first time to add subtitles after I received some requests, the next video will involve three cameras, also with a focus on vehicular cycling.

Thank you for the support!
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At 01:50 - Looks like six lanes of traffic in the same direction! That's wider then the highways in my town!

Not a lot of traffic lights either. You must be able to get some good speed on all those smooth flat roads.
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I wonder to what extent the apparent civility on the roads is due to the fact there are no women driving?

It's difficult to separate that effect from the deterrent effect of indefinite detention and whipping that may occur in the event of an accident, or the very real possibility of getting beheaded if someone were to be killed in a vehicle accident.

In any case, the absence of any written laws probably works in Roadsurfers' favor, but let's hope he doesn't ever have to find out!
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Originally Posted by DJ Shaun View Post
At 01:50 - Looks like six lanes of traffic in the same direction! That's wider then the highways in my town!

Not a lot of traffic lights either. You must be able to get some good speed on all those smooth flat roads.
That was part of the highway between two cities, the univeristy is between the cities, (Like an Interstate Road) No traffic lights on those roads!
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I wonder to what extent the apparent civility on the roads is due to the fact there are no women driving?

It's difficult to separate that effect from the deterrent effect of indefinite detention and whipping that may occur in the event of an accident, or the very real possibility of getting beheaded if someone were to be killed in a vehicle accident.

In any case, the absence of any written laws probably works in Roadsurfers' favor, but let's hope he doesn't ever have to find out!
I am not sure if your joking, making a conjecture, or believing this, but I can assure you that you will be a great reporter for FOX News!
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Originally Posted by RoadSurfer View Post
I am not sure if your joking, making a conjecture, or believing this, but I can assure you that you will be a great reporter for FOX News!
Don't be coy, you're among fellow cyclists here (although unlike in SA, we do allow women to ride in public).

if I'm wrong about something, go ahead and correct me, but don't be dishonest. I know women were just given the right to vote, and to participate in municipal elections, last year, and while I'm not up-to-the minute
on SA news, I doubt they could have effected the type of change you're talking about.

So disabuse me of my Fox News notions where appropriate (believe me, you'd be lucky to actually find a Fox viewer who knows even as much about SA as we've discussed so far, or where, even, on the map it is! ), but don't act like I'm pulling this stuff out of nowhere.

Listen, yes I have a problem with Saudi treatment and attitudes towards women, and yes, it was probably a little rude for me to have brought it up in this way, but these forums are for discussion, and seriously, watching your videos (yes, I've watched several, because they are interesting), I'm struck by the civility of the traffic flow, and why it's so different (or appears to be) from here in the USA.

Could we have a serious discussion about SA traffic without addressing the question of women? Could we have had the discussion without talking about traffic laws and penalties?

My point is that even had I taken the more circuitous, deferential course to your sensitivities, we'd have still arrived at the same place, where you had to chose to bring up the issues, and you had to chose to address the issues honestly.

If you don't want to do that, you've got that choice as well, but just say so rather than mock me.

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Chaadster, I think your line of discourse is uncool. He's from another country. Let's not disparage him for his heritage or different sensibilities.
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
I wonder to what extent the apparent civility on the roads is due to the fact there are no women driving?

LOL ... the commuting forum is not your soapbox.

Have you lived/visited anywhere besides the states?

Perhaps, you should watch less TV and travel a little more, eh?

In other news:

Excellent video Roadsurfer. I'd love to see more! I never expected to see a recumbent out there! I saw five today (three leg powered and two arm powered). I also saw a sealed aerodynamic bike on the local bike path (and he was moving ... averaging at least 40km/h ... 25mph).
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Chaadster, I think your line of discourse is uncool. He's from another country. Let's not disparage him for his heritage or different sensibilities.
Well, you may see it as uncool, but I really am curious about what it would be like to have only men, and a pretty ****genous group of men at that, on the roads. And yes, I do find subjugating women and denying them the right to ride a bike in public or drive a car, uncool.

So what he's from another country? I'm not disparaging him-- in fact I praised his vids-- nor am I disparaging his heritage or sensibilities. Would your position hold true were we having this conversation with an Afrikaner in apartheid South Africa about the rights of blacks? And if you don't think Saudi women are advocating for equal rights, you are uninformed. They are.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
LOL ... the commuting forum is not your soapbox.

Have you lived/visited anywhere besides the states?

Perhaps, you should watch less TV and travel a little more, eh?
Nice ad hominem attack, Acid, but you don't know me or anything about me. If you or anyone else would like to point out what I was wrong about, go right ahead and try, but of course you can't.

My questions to roadsurfer are open for you to answer if you know anything from your vast travel experience in SA. Feel free to address the road conditions in Saudi Arabia and the habits of drivers towards cyclists. Go right ahead.
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I'm aware. I'm doing my part to change things in the middle east. And I'm sure that any efforts to do that on bikeforums will be counterproductive.

I agree with those who say that when you improve conditions for women, you improve conditions for society. I'm a staunch feminist, having two daughters and having been raised by a pack of female wolves.

I assume roadsurfer is a product of his environment. For all I know, he is fighting for justice in every way we can hope for. But while I might be disappointed on that front (without knowing), I can understand it without supporting it.

We're to talk about bikes and cycling here. I'm the king of thread drift, but your points are incendiary. Have you heard the term "more heat than light"?
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I'm aware. I'm doing my part to change things in the middle east. And I'm sure that any efforts to do that on bikeforums will be counterproductive.

I agree with those who say that when you improve conditions for women, you improve conditions for society. I'm a staunch feminist, having two daughters and having been raised by a pack of female wolves.

I assume roadsurfer is a product of his environment. For all I know, he is fighting for justice in every way we can hope for. But while I might be disappointed on that front (without knowing), I can understand it without supporting it.

We're to talk about bikes and cycling here. I'm the king of thread drift, but your points are incendiary. Have you heard the term "more heat than light"?
Listen, I didn't ask you to do anything except ponder the reasons for the apparent civility on the road in Saudi Arabia. We have a whole forum on Advocacy and Safety that ponders the reasons for our incivility, and the impact of laws, all the time, so don't act like I'm out there because I'm curious about the state of affairs in SA.

I didn't presume anything about our man road surfer; I don't know what he thinks about women, injustice, or anything. I don't even assume he's from SA; he could have grown up here or be there for work and originally from India for all I know. Anyway, he's the one who jumped on me, painting me some kind of right wing job (of which we have plenty in the USA, I know), and tried to deny that women are refused the right to drive, deny that people can be detained indefinitely, and that heads literally roll for in the SA justice system.

So spare me your high tone, okay, and rather than being presumptuous, just be thoughtful.
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That was part of the highway between two cities, the univeristy is between the cities, (Like an Interstate Road) No traffic lights on those roads!
We rarely allow bikes on divided highways in Canada. It's not uncommon for cars to do 100-130kph.

How fast can you go with that bike?
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chaadster, I don't think anyone called you anything. Somehow I think you heard something that no one actually said.

Having spent many years fighting incivility on the roads, I've decided to let it roll off my back from now on. My mental health has improved.
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
Well, you may see it as uncool, but I really am curious about what it would be like to have only men, and a pretty ****genous group of men at that, on the roads. And yes, I do find subjugating women and denying them the right to ride a bike in public or drive a car, uncool.
Irrelevant to the topic. The treatment of women in other cultures in other countries is not what this thread is about.
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We rarely allow bikes on divided highways in Canada. It's not uncommon for cars to do 100-130kph.

How fast can you go with that bike?
Yes, you are correct, I would not recommend anyone to use highways, However, some "parts" of highways are actually not that fast, as you see in the video. Moreover, I do not have much options especially if I am heading to campus from where I departed. Regarding traffic rules, there is not anything in the law yet that prevents cyclists in those roads, even though you might find traffic officers that will try to deter you for your safety. Saudi traffic laws are copied from one of the US states (my guess), without much thought, and does not follow Sharia traffic laws, unfortunately!

This Jariyah is my fastest, although I use slower jariyats and other regular bikes also on the same route. I was not pushing my power in the video, so my guess I was doing 25 KMH, or 17MH.
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I thank you all for the support especially those who felt concerned, noglider, acedfast7, pallen, thank you again, chaadster, I am sure you have not meant anything by your questions, also I am sorry if my words stirred you, I should watch my words.

Listen, I didn't ask you to do anything except ponder the reasons for the apparent civility on the road in Saudi Arabia. We have a whole forum on Advocacy and Safety that ponders the reasons for our incivility, and the impact of laws, all the time, so don't act like I'm out there because I'm curious about the state of affairs in SA.
Regarding your question that is related to the topic, it is really hard for me to grasp, as my videos including this one show bad driving behavior, you can also watch the previous video on the channel, not translated yet. According to my experience, The law, and driving behavior are the same in the US or here. What makes it different is 'law enforcement' ! Once you have weak enforcement you will see crazy people. Take a Saudi Youth and drop him in US roads and watch changing behavior, and take a US youth and drop him in Saudi soil and watch changing driving behavior. And we do not need go far, try driving where you are and choose a near by city that is different in law enforcement, and watch your behavior by time. I found a great deal of difference between US states. Even between Saudi cities will you see great differences, it is the same law, but different levels of enforcement.

But if your question is about civility, women, heads rolling, Fox News and the strange stuff, maybe this is not the place, you can probably ask this in another forum, and you can invite me if you wish! I hope I have answered your concerns!

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Nice ad hominem attack, Acid, but you don't know me or anything about me. If you or anyone else would like to point out what I was wrong about, go right ahead and try, but of course you can't.

My questions to roadsurfer are open for you to answer if you know anything from your vast travel experience in SA. Feel free to address the road conditions in Saudi Arabia and the habits of drivers towards cyclists. Go right ahead.
I "worked" at King Saud University as a visiting Biochemistry Professor for 6 months in 2010. This indicates that I integrated into society (at least the Western-speaking component).

As a driver, I found the speeds similar to Germany (160kph / 100mph average). I found the road conditions quite good, which really surprised me. The drivers really paid attention like in Germany. Perhaps even more so, because there could be a bicycle on the road that you would "slow" down to 100kph / 60mph for. I find all of these things (road conditions, driver attention, average traffic speed) much worse in the US (lived in the US until age 30.)

I suggest you try integrating with an indigenous population before passing judgement on their decision-making processes. It was quite interesting to become immersed in a culture with a totally different belief/value system with 2500 years of evolution independent from the one you were born and raised into.

Anyways, again, I recommend that you turn off the TV, particularly if it is FOX "news", and immerse yourself in something different before passing judgement on their decisions. One could have easily made the was arguments about the US until 1920 (when women could finally vote), which was only 90 years ago (and better than Switzerland which converted in the 70s). I hope it doesn't need to be pointed out, be perhaps it does, that 90 years is miniscule over a 2500 year independent cultural evolution.

You are free to comment.
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