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Old 11-30-12, 12:56 PM
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Gatorskin alternative for the wet

Right now I'm running 700x28 gatorskins, and generally, they are pretty nice. Not too big, not too small, never had a problem... until the other night when the rear tire slid a bit in the wet. I recovered and kept upright, but it was one of those moments where your heart skips a beat or two. Since then, I just don't trust them if it's wet.

I'd like to find something that has some flat protection, relatively light (current tires are 380g I think), supple, but can actually has grip in the wet. I'm running a 2011 Secteur, and the 28 gatorskins are probably about the limit for clearance. Any suggestions?
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Personally, I don't know if there's anything out there that would be much better. Bottom line is when it's wet, especially in the hour or so following the start of a rain and the oil and other slick stuff getting washed off the road, you're going to potentially have slippery conditions. I ride Gatorskins as my roadie training tire and had no issues with them, even in the rain.

The "problem" here is that road tires generally don't have treads since the logic goes that few people will really ride a road bike in the rain. Given that, there's really nothing to channel away the water when it is raining. If you think back to the larger tires we had on bikes as kids, or even the tires that you'll commonly see on a hybrid today, they do have some traditional treading, so the traction will be different.
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Simple answer. Continental GP 4 Seasons are very similar to Gatorskins except they have better traction on wet roads, plus they are lighter. Win, win.
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Old 11-30-12, 01:22 PM
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+1 on the GP 4 Seasons

Also try not to traverse any painted pavement markings, crosswalk markings, steel on bridges (and any other place), tar strips, or cobblestones.

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Old 11-30-12, 01:43 PM
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... until the other night when the rear tire slid a bit in the wet...
Slid on What ? steel patch plates and thick paint , it's not a which tire is going to be better
solvable situation..

the contact patch is so small , really tread pattern just makes the contact patch less.

its not like F1 race car Rain tires. you did not Hydroplane on the water..

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+2 on the Conti GrandPrix 4-Seasons. I switched to them in from GatorSkins--both 25 and 28--on my bikes that see the wet. Superb grip in the wet, with the exception, as fietsbob points out, of pavement markings and steel plates and manhole covers.
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AFAIK, it was just bare pavement. Sounds like any tire change won't be a night/day difference, so I'll likely wait until I wear out my back tire before trying a 4 seasons.
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+3 for the GP 4 Seasons.

Schwalbe Marathon Supreme is another good option.
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Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
The "problem" here is that road tires generally don't have treads since the logic goes that few people will really ride a road bike in the rain.
That's not the reason at all: http://sheldonbrown.com/tires.html#hydroplaning
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While any tire is more likely to slide in the wet, some tires are better than others. I have personal experience with both Gatorskins and Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires in 700x28. They are both nice tires, but I don't like either in the wet.

I would agree with the GP 4 Seasons suggestions, and also add the Vittoria Rubino Pro Tech. I have the Rubino Pro Tech in a 700x28 and love it. It's 280g/tire and is specifically made for use in the cold and wet. I have around 3000mi on mine so far with 0 flats and they are noticeably better on wet roads. I think I should be able to push them to 4000mi.
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A wide tire like a car can hydroplane , a narrow one cuts thru the water to the pavement well enough.
its not even an inch wide..

my commute rig is on 20" schwalbe marathon plusses.
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I'm running a pair of Panaracer T-Servs on my commuter (700x35). A friend gave them to me to wear them the rest of the way out. I'm very impressed with them. They've been doing great in the wet.

I'll almost certainly buy another pair.
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Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
The "problem" here is that road tires generally don't have treads since the logic goes that few people will really ride a road bike in the rain. Given that, there's really nothing to channel away the water when it is raining. If you think back to the larger tires we had on bikes as kids, or even the tires that you'll commonly see on a hybrid today, they do have some traditional treading, so the traction will be different.
Yes, the tires with 'traditional treading' will have slightly less traction on either wet or dry roads than slick tires that are equivalent in other respects (rubber compound, pressure, size, etc.).
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Originally Posted by tarwheel View Post
Simple answer. Continental GP 4 Seasons are very similar to Gatorskins except they have better traction on wet roads, plus they are lighter. Win, win.
And supple ride too. Win, win, win

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I use Panaracer Urban Max tires, but they're heavy like bricks and not too pliable. A lighter, more supple option with the same tread is the Pasela TG folding bead. I love those tires; they were/are my favourite long distance tires for feel, grip, and durability.
I'm rockin' the Urban Max because I got 'em for dirt cheap when I needed to replace a pair of Pasela TGs.
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Originally Posted by lakkdainen View Post
AFAIK, it was just bare pavement. Sounds like any tire change won't be a night/day difference, so I'll likely wait until I wear out my back tire before trying a 4 seasons.
Exactly what I was going to recommend. Even areas of pavement that look clean could have a thick oily residue under the water that made you slip. The key is to remember to take it easy in the rain, you can not see the condition of the pavement well and one manhole cover or painted line can and will take you down quick.

Tires will make a small difference depending on the rubber used but it will be a pretty small change more than likely, also do not let people tell you more tread will help in the rain. On a car yes but a bicycle tire is both extremely narrow and rounded so there is no way to hydroplane on them. All tread does is take away the amount of rubber in contact with the road.
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