acidfast7

lifted from here: https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/20...le-roundabout/

before:



after:



video (note: I didn't see any drop bars.)


also in Norway:



also, I'm pissed because I went to Stavanger to stand here:



but I didn't know about they elevated cycle ring

droy45

Wow, great way to get around those conjested areas. That's a nice find.

acidfast7

Super cool, eh?

I thought the commentary about the Dutch kids cycling to school was interesting. It shocked me initially when I saw 8 year-olds going to school by themselves on the subway and by bike in Frankfurt. Also, I did like the humor about someone running a red light (car or bike) and getting hurt being deemed a safety risk in the Netherlands. Psychologically very interesting, but probably true.

That is some really bad ass cycling infrastructure.

More info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hovenring

chaadster

Agreed, that is cool! What is it, like the highest point in Holland?!

As unregulated roundabouts proliferate here in southeast Michigan-- and as I understand it, across the USA generally-- I've often thought about how other traffic navigates them, especially blind pedestrians and kids cycling sidewalks. This is certainly one way to solve those problems, isn't it.

Thanks for posting it!

pepox369

I commute thru one similar to that one.. much smaller of course since its not in Eindhoven but in Lent..

Its relatively new, so the satellite pictures from google do not have it..

tcs

The 800 kg gorilla of the separated cycleway philosophy is intersections. Apparently someone in the Netherlands looked up after 50 years and said, 'Whoa, there's a big ape in this room!' Of course, underpasses make more sense for cycleways (bicycles needing much less vertical clearance than trucks/lorries/double decker buses), but I suppose there's always a drainage problem in the low countries.

Roundabouts work generally pretty well - when traffic goes around in one direction. I see with this facility, riders turn both directions and there's negociated two-way traffic around the path. Very third world, critical mass.

@ 6 seconds (very start of video). We see what we look for.

acidfast7

Or perhaps I wrote that so people would watch the video?

mtbikerinpa

And I thought rail-trail overpasses were cool...

acidfast7

I'm jealous. I'd love to move to the Netherlands, but we don't have any offers there (yet)

pepox369

Offers? speaking English and German, learning dutch is should be a breeze..

Yeah, here cyclist go 2nd, right after emergency cars. You can bike here and go virtually anywhere u want on a bike path, and if you were to get in an accident with any motor vehicle, the motor vehicle is at fault regardless of who is actually at fault.

acidfast7

and some basic Swedish.

When I watch Dutch subtitles it looks like a third Swedish, a third English and a third composed of words that are derived from German.

I'm really looking for a professorship (biochem/synthetic bio) which are hard to come by these days. The market is tough in the Netherlands, but we'll see. My gf has an offer at Novartis (Basel) and in Copenhagen. I could work in either city, but probably not as a prof immediately. After some heavy networking, perhaps, but the Netherlands (and their pension system) looks like a very nice place to start/raise a family.

rodar y rodar

Amazing! I think that`s got to be the best gorilla killer I can imagine. But if one went up in my town, I`d be among those protesting such a huge expense for a project that nobdoy used
Happy to see these rings ARE in fact well used.

pepox369

Maybe Wageningen University, they are specialized in that field I believe.

downwinded

That is awesome! Thanks for sharing af7. Our fair burg needs to cross 2 two-lane roads in order to connect our greenway with the downtown area. Not sure how long it will take to accomplish that Not enough "forward thinking" minds in the necessary places to make it happen.

fietsbob

I was thinking of the City and residential Planning of Lelystad in NL
land reclaimed from the Ijssel- meer, seabed..
the front of the houses are Cul-de-sacs, and a labyrinth to drive,
but the other side is Bike routes and they are fairly straight and direct.

teufelhunden222

IMO more bike infrastructure= more people on bikes.-David

Wil Davis

I love the pics in the original post. The best I can come up with is
this - not one of mine but something to aspire to (seen in the Netherlands, apparently)

- Wil

Andy_K 

Full-figured guy wearing a helmet and racing kit no less, probably a tourist from America.

ThermionicScott 

Yep, he must have brought his bike with him on the trip.


I am pretty envious of things like this, though.

BassNotBass

As a displaced German who's first language has become English I find Dutch to be a really bizarre language (not in a bad way... it just sounds like I'd have to be drunk to speak it ). I think I'd be able to pick up Russian easier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vZMMH1GEaU

wolfchild

Oh man !!...I am so jealous about the cycling infrastructure in some european countries. We in Canada are so far behind, our cycling infrastructure is in stone age When are the governments in North America/Canada going to start using our tax dollars to do something like that ??

Jimbo47

video (note: I didn't see any drop bars.)


I had to laugh because I immediately noted the same thing! I guess us Americans are hung up on drop bars, clipless pedals and lycra.

I guess it's that car mentality we still have, in that we have to look fast even if we aren't. LOL!

pepox369

Lol.. A few beers and a potato stuck in your throught and German becomes Dutch..

apoZ

Wow, that looks awesome !
I live in Belgium and I'm sooo jealous of the Netherlands with their great infrastructure for bikes. But I really think it works in both ways : more cyclists => better infrastructure => more cyclists.

shepherdsflock

When will the governments of North America start using tax dollars on more bicycling infrastructure? When North America urbanizes to the same point as Europe. North America is too spread out and rural for bicycling to be practical transportation for many people. And if the taxation of fuels reached the same level as Europe, that might drive a bigger bicycling movement.