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New potential drop bar Disc commuters: Trek CrossRip and Novar Zealo anybody have?

Anybody else have either or at least taken one for a spin?

I have been wanting to get a disc commuter for years. I have a situation where pretty well daily I get wet rims thanks to a subdivision sprinkler system and I have a LONG down hill after with less then stellar wet brakes.
I dig the Redline Metro
I dig the Salsa Vaya's

Both of those bikes are Commuter biased rigs and high on my list but the CrossRip and Zealo have come on the radar.

Last week I happened to be near one of the few Redline dealers in GA and stopped to see if they had a Metro I could take for a spin. No luck, all they keep on hand is Redline BMX.
They are also (prominently actually) a Trek Dealer and after the guy looked to see what a Metro was he points at the CrossRip they just got in.
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes...sport/crossrip

I typically ride them big. Couple of my bikes are 63cm and the ones I ride the most. I'm all legs and have a much abused lower back. Riding them big means the bars are naturally high. I then adjust the fit for my short torso with a short stem.
I dont care for straight bars. Tend to make my wrists hurt, drops dont so no need to tell me about any straight bar disc bikes but I wouldn't mind hearing about drop bar disc bikes that may be new for this year.

Only CrossRip he has in stock is a 56cm. Thats basically the medium in the crossrip line but the effective top tube is 58.4...not all that bad for me and it had plenty of seat post. It also has a 16.7cm head tube so the bars are naturally up nice and high just how I like. Took it for a lap of the parking lot and impressed with the ride. Really impressed actually. Carbon fork really making it plush. The frame has all the right features for a commuter. Rear disc is mounted on the chain stay so it doesn't need a goofy "disc rack". It has mid fork braze ons for front rack. Looks like the fender mount on the fork seems like it will require minimal tweaking to get fenders to mount. Lots of room for fenders with up to a 35mm wide tire. Like the short reach and tight drops. Was a little disappointed in the stopping power but it maybe more that the brakes needed bedding in. It has Hayes CX5 brakes that I am unfamiliar with but not seeing any glaring bad reviews. I am trying to find a 58cm to take for a spin but my local dealer doesn't have any CrossRips at any of their three stores.

The thing that's kind of bumming me out is the higher model of this bike is only SORA. At $1269 list that's a bit disappointing. Id like to see at least Tiagra for that kind of coin. That said its the first SORA I have used, little stiff compared to 105 but it worked fine. Maybe I'm under rating them and as proud Salsa is of the Vaya 3 at $1399 with bar ends maybe I expect too much. Cant buy a bare frame to build out as I want either. That said I have some 105 9sp brifters and derailleurs stashed so if I started having problems with the Sora it wouldn't be a big deal. The guy right off the bat quoted me $1150 when we started talking price.

That lead me to seeing what REI had in stock. They have a new model Novara called the "Zealo". Its similar target audience as the Trek CrossRip. $999 and its Tiagra level. I wont get into it being time for a 20% coupon to come from REI or the $200+ I have coming....yet LOL
https://www.rei.com/product/837491/no...ealo-bike-2013

Like the Tiagra 10sp. Avid BB7 brakes that are proven. Short reach tight drops as well. It lists is $999 (and REI isnt likely to budge off that but will have that 20% coupon ) so $270 cheaper out of the box with better components. Doesn't have that Carbon fork with mid fork mounts is one of the bigger negatives. I can't comment on the geometry because REI dropped the ball and doesn't have it listed on the site.
The Close to REI doesnt have one in stock but the other two stores in the area have the medium and Large. Going to try to get by one tomorrow and give comment.

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I was all set to move to a Volpe this year. I walked into my fave LBS and was chatting to them about it. They knew it was going to be my commuting rig. I was talking about disc brakes and how they would do better in rain (the cantilevers pretty much bum me out in rain. I've stopped biking and take the train on rainy days). Raymond points me at the Crossrip. I've never had an aluminum frame but, this looked really attractive at the price point. I couldn't find anything with disc brakes w/o going at least $300 higher in price point. I've ridden it a bit. Might still compare when he gets the new Volpe in but, I'm pretty much sold on it. I dont haul a lot of stuff for the commute. Just change of clothes and often, I'll drop off a week's worth of clothes Sunday night and pick it up that week on Friday night so, I'm riding with empty bags. Yeah, fenders should not be a problem and I bet you might be able to stick some 38s between the forks and chain-stays. Good luck with your choice.
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I really like my Vaya for commuting and general around town riding. I can go to the library five miles away or the next town and back at 50 and either way I'm feelin' good afterwards. The steel makes a lot of the difference. The bike is very comfortable.

I notice the Trek is aluminum and may be harsher, but at least goes with 32 spokes to help soften up the ride over some of the stiff rimmed bikes with very few spokes.
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LBS guy almost has me sold on the Norco Threshold A1... looking at the components I don't think you'll find anything at that price that compares. I didn't ride it yet because I'm not ready to spend any money, and I won't be for a few months.

Any opinions out there on that bike? Crossrip is also high on my list, so I'm interested in the comments that pop up here.
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I'm running disc brakes on a couple bikes, V-brakes on a few and cantis on one. In the rain, brake pad material makes a bigger difference than the kind of brake. They're all expensive setups and none of them perform flawlessly or silently in the wet.
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I had a Vaya and sold it just a few months afterwards. It was a 2011 model with Apex and thought it handled like a turd and felt like a tank. I picked up a old Titanium mtb frame and built up my version of what a Vaya should be. It also about 10 lbs lighter as the Vaya was spline splitter. I even had a smaller frame with the 26" wheels and decent DT Swiss wheels.

Redlines just don't do anything for me. They make some nice bikes for a decent price but it's like convincing a Ford guy to like Chevys. I'm not a big fan of the stuff REI sells but Novara has some decent bikes that are easy on the wallet for what they offer.
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I bought a Crossrip over the holidays, to replace my 7.3 FX as my daily commuter. Went with the lower level option (2300's and BB5), but suits me perfectly. Mounted a Topeak MTX trunk bag on a rack in the back, didn't have to worry about the "disc rack" - it took a standard rack, no problems. Am loving the bike - my commute is 15 miles each way, with a combo of hardpack and roads. This bike is perfect for that.
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Funny that the previous poster replaced a FX with a Crossrip. I have a 7.2FX and had a hard on for the Crossrip, it seemed perfect. And I think it would have been but after getting a ride on a Crossrip Elite, I decided it wasn't worth the money to upgrade for a bike I was going to ride around town. However, if you are looking for a do-it-all bike I think the Crossrip would be hard to beat.
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Originally Posted by ShartRate
Funny that the previous poster replaced a FX with a Crossrip. I have a 7.2FX and had a hard on for the Crossrip, it seemed perfect. And I think it would have been but after getting a ride on a Crossrip Elite, I decided it wasn't worth the money to upgrade for a bike I was going to ride around town. However, if you are looking for a do-it-all bike I think the Crossrip would be hard to beat.
Probably worth mentioning (again) that I upgraded to the Crossrip (not elite), with the 2300 and BB5 setup, so I was into the new bike for about 1k. And, my commute is 50% hard-pack and 50% roads, so the Crossrip works great for my commute. My 7.3FX has perhaps 4k on it, and probably would have suited me fine for quite a few additional miles. But, the drop bars and disc brakes were worth the upgrade for me. YMMV...
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I just went through this last spring but didn't know about your new models. I also ride big bikes, and I ended up choosing the Salsa Vaya as my disc commuter of choice because the head tube was the largest on any production bike I could find. I trained that the effective top tube and seat tube didn't matter as much as the head tube, because that was the dimension that best described the bikes relative size, I.e. just how high it stood of the ground. I think I was right, although I probably need a custom bike, like the Gunnar Fast lane. With plenty of spacers and a long stem, I got done though, and I love the Vaya. It's fast, durable, beautiful craftsmanship, and rides like a charm. I would highly recommend it.
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i should also point out those are hydraulic discs and a belt-drive 11-speed Alfine (rather than Rohloff to keep the cost down).
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Originally Posted by acidfast7
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OK, Gram+, I give up. What is it?
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Tout Terrain - Amber Road I think. Very nice bike!
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Something else to look at, maybe ?

https://surlybikes.com/bikes/disc_trucker
Sora though . . . But brifters make it very desirable to me.
I had a Crosscheck and its the only bike I ever regret getting rid of

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Interesting but having a hard time figuring out what it is and if I can get it in the US. Little concered about having enough gearing. In 2 miles of my route includes 2 hills I crank along at 6-8mph to get up and same hills I hit 40+mph on the way home. I need to compare the inch gears of what I know I like and what that has. If I was a flat lander I would be all over belt drive IGH.
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Something else to look at, maybe ?

https://surlybikes.com/bikes/disc_trucker
Sora though . . . But brifters make it very desirable to me.
I had a Crosscheck and its the only bike I ever regret getting rid of

Did not know the LHT could be had with disc.....ok thats on the list to check out for sure. I have a bud that swears by his LHT (without disc) and he has much the same riding preferences. Now if he wasn't a freaking midget Id take his for a spin. LOL
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Something else to look at, maybe ?

https://surlybikes.com/bikes/disc_trucker
Sora though . . . But brifters make it very desirable to me.
I had a Crosscheck and its the only bike I ever regret getting rid of

I have a LHT that I've had since 2008 as my "everything bike" and absolutely love it. My only gripe is the rim brakes in snow and rain so I've actually been thinking of - you guessed it - another LHT. I'm strongly considering a Disc Trucker as my second bike, or an Ogre.

Man I love my LHT though. Not the lightest (by any means) or fastest (by any means) but it's stupidly versatile and fun. Right now I have mine setup with a knobby 700x45 Innova studded tire in the front and a 700x40 Marathon Winter in back and yesterday on a rare 50 degree day I was passing roadies. In complete comfort. It's like an AMG Mercedes S-Class.
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Did not know the LHT could be had with disc.....ok thats on the list to check out for sure. I have a bud that swears by his LHT (without disc) and he has much the same riding preferences. Now if he wasn't a freaking midget Id take his for a spin. LOL
Surly's are BIG too . . .
I always buy a 59-60 --minimum-- when I can. My 58 Crosscheck was loooong and wide. Someone else would have called it a 60+ cm. Its the only time I have ever thought I should have dropped down a size.
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Reluctant to reply here because you seem to be checking out the higher end stuff, but I think the Gravity Zilla fits your criteria. I just posted a review and am happy to answer any

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ew-BikesDirect
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Tout Terrain - Amber Road I think. Very nice bike!
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Interesting but having a hard time figuring out what it is and if I can get it in the US. Little concered about having enough gearing. In 2 miles of my route includes 2 hills I crank along at 6-8mph to get up and same hills I hit 40+mph on the way home. I need to compare the inch gears of what I know I like and what that has. If I was a flat lander I would be all over belt drive IGH.
We don't use gear inches for obvious metric reasons and we call a 700c/622-equipped bike over here a 28" bike for less obvious reasons (a 26" is the standard 559 MTB wheel).

But this chart should demonstrate the range of gearing available...

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Tout Terrain - Amber Road I think. Very nice bike!
in Germany.. super expensive in The States.
(sole source, for some TT framesets, at full retail, in NH is from Peter White)


You can get a CoMotion Near-Custom for about that. Made in Oregon.

No problem if a Googleaire..

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for decent money a new 2013 Tout Terrain Silkroad GT could be had as well:



Personally, I wouldn't imagine needing to change anything but the tubes/tires/cables/gear oil/brake pads for the first 10 years/50,000km.
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Originally Posted by Henry III
I had a Vaya and sold it just a few months afterwards. It was a 2011 model with Apex and thought it handled like a turd and felt like a tank. I picked up a old Titanium mtb frame and built up my version of what a Vaya should be. It also about 10 lbs lighter as the Vaya was spline splitter. I even had a smaller frame with the 26" wheels and decent DT Swiss wheels.

Redlines just don't do anything for me. They make some nice bikes for a decent price but it's like convincing a Ford guy to like Chevys. I'm not a big fan of the stuff REI sells but Novara has some decent bikes that are easy on the wallet for what they offer.
A lot depends on the set up, especially wheels and tires. I run 41 mm Schwalbe Supremes at 80 psi. I should also say that I upgraded most of the bike at purchase with Shimano 105 brifters, Mavic disc-specific rims, BB7 brakes, etc. The bike is great to ride and gets taken off the rack of other bikes I can ride 9 out of 10 times.

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I just went through this last spring but didn't know about your new models. I also ride big bikes, and I ended up choosing the Salsa Vaya as my disc commuter of choice because the head tube was the largest on any production bike I could find. I trained that the effective top tube and seat tube didn't matter as much as the head tube, because that was the dimension that best described the bikes relative size, I.e. just how high it stood of the ground. I think I was right, although I probably need a custom bike, like the Gunnar Fast lane. With plenty of spacers and a long stem, I got done though, and I love the Vaya. It's fast, durable, beautiful craftsmanship, and rides like a charm. I would highly recommend it.
Additionally, I compared the Vaya with the LHT and preferred the Vaya - YMMV.
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