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UMassAm 03-11-13 05:18 PM

fast city commuting and near crash experiences
 
anyone else out there put out big wattage in the city? how many times do you almost get whacked on a daily basis? i obey the road laws most of the time, and don't think i'm in the wrong too often, but i had a guy pass within inches of me on a notorious bridge, almost got clipped hard by someone turning right suddenly, and had to yell at a ped crossing in the middle of the road not looking.

caloso 03-11-13 05:21 PM

What do you consider to be "big wattage?"

dramiscram 03-11-13 05:32 PM

My headlamp is 20 watts I guess, not sure...

UMassAm 03-11-13 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by caloso (Post 15374062)
What do you consider to be "big wattage?"

where you find you're going faster than everyone else.

1nterceptor 03-11-13 06:58 PM

Most big city commuters just accept the fact that bad things can happen,
anyway biking is much more fun than driving :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jkf__aUQpE

ThermionicScott 03-12-13 02:31 AM

I fail to see a connection between going fast and bad things happening unless you're out-riding your ability to pay attention. :D

acidfast7 03-12-13 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott (Post 15375623)
I fail to see a connection between going fast and bad things happening unless you're out-riding your ability to pay attention. :D

I have a mental image of a person starting at the ground and sweating intensely in the drops while mumbling "big wattage" out loud to themselves and screaming at someone in a crosswalk 50m ahead in northeastern accent, while looking like this:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=303985

also, calling Amherst a city is a wee-bit-of-a stretch.

Stryver 03-12-13 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 15375685)

Dude looks happy.

Stun 03-12-13 09:21 AM

My experience, if you break into school zone speed limit speeds (20-25mph) cars and peds start to have a really hard time judging how fast you are going. It's like they don't expect a bike to be going over 10 or 12mph so they assume that is the speed you are going just because you are on a bike.

Stun 03-12-13 09:23 AM

And yes, acidfast7, that guy does look like he is trying to crank out some serious wattage. If I were a pedestrian I would probably jump out of his way just to make sure there aren't any problems :)

acidfast7 03-12-13 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Stun (Post 15376633)
And yes, acidfast7, that guy does look like he is trying to crank out some serious wattage. If I were a pedestrian I would probably jump out of his way just to make sure there aren't any problems :)

the way he's dressed you couldn't miss him from 100m away

:lol:

modernjess 03-12-13 09:57 AM

My wattage has never been measured but I did meet Charlie Watts one time.

And no, I don't have near misses with traffic all the time every day.

caloso 03-12-13 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by UMassAm (Post 15374042)
anyone else out there put out big wattage in the city? how many times do you almost get whacked on a daily basis? i obey the road laws most of the time, and don't think i'm in the wrong too often, but i had a guy pass within inches of me on a notorious bridge, almost got clipped hard by someone turning right suddenly, and had to yell at a ped crossing in the middle of the road not looking.

I stopped getting almost whacked on a daily basis when I started looking up the road rather than down at my wattage display.

acidfast7 03-12-13 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by modernjess (Post 15376824)
but I did meet Charlie Watts one time.

:lol:

I-Like-To-Bike 03-12-13 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by UMassAm (Post 15374042)
anyone else out there put out big wattage in the city? how many times do you almost get whacked on a daily basis? i obey the road laws most of the time, and don't think i'm in the wrong too often, but i had a guy pass within inches of me on a notorious bridge, almost got clipped hard by someone turning right suddenly, and had to yell at a ped crossing in the middle of the road not looking.

If you think these near accidents were the result of your "big wattage" riding, why don't you turn it down a bit? Ya know, like a sensible cyclist who knows when he is not in dang race.

idc 03-12-13 11:37 AM

I would say I'm faster than most fellow commuters but I will always prioritize my safety first. I'd say I'm almost getting whacked between 0.005 - 0.020 times/day.

Pedestrians crossing while not looking is a given for some sections of my commute. I ride around safely while preserving my sanity, not too much point getting worked up about it. Same goes for other minor incidents.

marqueemoon 03-12-13 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by UMassAm (Post 15374042)
anyone else out there put out big wattage in the city? how many times do you almost get whacked on a daily basis? i obey the road laws most of the time, and don't think i'm in the wrong too often, but i had a guy pass within inches of me on a notorious bridge, almost got clipped hard by someone turning right suddenly, and had to yell at a ped crossing in the middle of the road not looking.

Being "in the right" doesn't matter when it comes down to it.

Drivers have a hard time judging the speed of cyclists. The faster you're going the worse the problem becomes.

Riding defensively often means riding slower. You need to give yourself and others time to react.

You may be lit up like a Christmas tree, but if a ped or driver has not made eye contact with you assume you are invisible.

Stun 03-12-13 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 15376795)
the way he's dressed you couldn't miss him from 100m away

:lol:

:roflmao:

caloso 03-12-13 12:12 PM

A serious answer is that I have found that I often fare best when I am close to the prevailing speed of traffic, motor or human powered. There is no one-size-fits-all answer; sometimes 20mph is too fast, sometimes it's too slow, and other times it's just right. Keep your head up, pay attention to changing conditions, plan ahead, and give yourself an escape route if possible.

spare_wheel 03-12-13 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by caloso (Post 15377575)
A serious answer is that I have found that I often fare best when I am close to the prevailing speed of traffic

For a fit, experienced, and fast cyclist, a bike lane can be less safe than taking the lane. And if you are riding in the lane its only polite to ride at the prevailing speed of traffic.


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 15377232)
Ya know, like a sensible cyclist who knows when he is not in dang race.

God forbid that a cyclist might actually dare to have fun on their bicycle!!!!1!!!!!! That would make us all look baaaad.

spare_wheel 03-12-13 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by UMassAm (Post 15374042)
anyone else out there put out big wattage in the city? how many times do you almost get whacked on a daily basis? i obey the road laws most of the time, and don't think i'm in the wrong too often, but i had a guy pass within inches of me on a notorious bridge, almost got clipped hard by someone turning right suddenly, and had to yell at a ped crossing in the middle of the road not looking.

UMAssAm, I hit ~40 mph on my daily commute but I can't even remember the last close call I've had. IMO, experience, fitness, and bike handling skills lessen your risk. If this is not your experience, I would like to suggest that you are doing it wrong.

UMassAm 03-12-13 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 15378362)
For a fit, experienced, and fast cyclist, a bike lane can be less safe than taking the lane. And if you are riding in the lane its only polite to ride at the prevailing speed of traffic.



God forbid that a cyclist might actually dare to have fun on their bicycle!!!!1!!!!!! That would make us all look baaaad.

i tried slowing it down today, even with pretty fried legs, my brain wouldnt let me sit behind someone cranking 70RPM at 70".

this is all good advice, and my vigilance usually matches my speed, but there are times when people just can't judge how fast youre going, or i'm tapped after an effort and decision making lags or muscles are recovering. whoever said slow riding is defensive riding is completely right. for better or worse, i put myself somewhere between motorist and commuter, mostly just an aggresive cyclist (when commuting at least).

i have a short, 2 mile commute, which allows me to ramp up for a short amount of time. life would be a lot different if i had a longer commute i imagine.

Spld cyclist 03-12-13 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 15378362)
For a fit, experienced, and fast cyclist, a bike lane can be less safe than taking the lane. And if you are riding in the lane its only polite to ride at the prevailing speed of traffic.

When I'm on my way home through downtown in the evening, it feels safest when traffic slows down at least to the low 20s. That way, I can just ride in the middle of the lane and not feel like cars are trying to squeeze me over into the door zone. If I can keep within 2 or 3 car lengths of the car ahead, the driver behind me usually doesn't seem to get impatient (i.e., they don't honk, tailgate, or cross over the double yellow to pass me). It feels pretty good to move at the 20 mph or so necessary to do this (that's about my limit on the flat, and I can't keep it up for very long, but feels good while it lasts).

In general, I think it's ok to go fast in urban environments if you keep within the limits of your skill and what traffic conditions allow you. It's also possible to use it as interval training. Go fast, but slow or stop whenever needed to be safe. That just becomes an opportunity to accelerate again....

spare_wheel 03-12-13 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by Spld cyclist (Post 15378474)
If I can keep within 2 or 3 car lengths of the car ahead, the driver behind me usually doesn't seem to get impatient (i.e., they don't honk, tailgate, or cross over the double yellow to pass me).

I almost never get agro while taking the lane because I ride at the prevailing speed.


It feels pretty good to move at the 20 mph or so
Word.


It's also possible to use it as interval training. Go fast, but slow or stop whenever needed to be safe.
I tend to obey traffic signals simply because I enjoy the track stand and sprint to cruising speed.

contango 03-12-13 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 15376795)
the way he's dressed you couldn't miss him from 100m away

:lol:

You've obviously never seen the way London taxis drive :P


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