Agreed. All Keen shoes I have seen have very wide toe boxes. When a shoe store worker measures my feet, they are not even as wide as E. My feet are size 11 in length, but I cannot wear 11E shoes. It turns out that the widest point in my feet is farther forward than the widest point on normal feet. That's why wide shoes are not wide enough for me. As I said above, I just wear size 12 from now on, and I'm thinking of going up to 12-1/2. I can keep my feet back in the shoe if I need by putting padding on the underside of the tongue, leaving lots of room in front of my toes, which neither helps nor hurts.

I am about a half size wide so I always buy a half size up to compensate for the width of the shoe. I recently purchased a pair of Keen Austins and I probably didn't need to go up that half size They are wider than the average shoe.

I like the Keens btw. Nice compromise on stiffness. I use them with Shimano M520 and A530s and they clip in easily. I have heard of people having problems clipping in with other pedals due to the recessed cleat. I haven't walked too far or for too long in them yet but I don't forsee any problems Good shoe.

So, not to hijack this thread too much, I guess I should try Keens. I've always had a problem going up a size and then having the front of the shoe fold over. Is there a website that is better than others about returning shoes if they don't fit? I have never ordered shoes online because even with regular shoes I normally try on maybe 15-20 pairs before finding a pair that fits well. There is no where local (central Florida)that I know of that sells Keens. I think my feet are too sensitive and weirdly shaped for their own good. Thanks everyone

Ha, ha. Just jumped to end of the thread and see you've already reached the conclusion many of us have.

KEEN'S.

They work.

i prefer SPD's and have about a 1/2mi walk from my lockup to my office. these have been great (Shimano MT22):

http://www.npbikeshop.com/images/lib..._mt22_10_m.jpg

if i don't feel like clipless, i have one bike set up with bmx pedals and velcro straps. adjusts in seconds to any shoe:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5198/7...74358999_z.jpg

I've had very good luck with zappos.com.