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PatrickGSR94 05-15-13 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by jrickards (Post 15628252)
It might be that by dipping your right shoulder while looking over your left applies counter pressure to you handle bars and causes you to keep the bars and bike in a straighter line. Just my 2¢ (although, not for much longer, the Canadian Mint is no longer producing pennies so thoughts from Canadians will be much more expensive).

I don't understand how that can work. Does everything now have to be rounded up to the next nickel? So in effect your money becomes a base-20 system or something like that. With so many transactions NOT ending on 5-cent increments in this country, as long as physical currency is accepted, I don't see how they could ever stop making pennies.

RubeRad 05-15-13 01:48 PM

I heard a number of years back that the US penny circulation is troubled because too many pennies are given in change, put in a pocket, get home, are thrown on a dresser or on a jar or something, and never used again. Because, if you ever do grab up some change, what do you do, you pick out the quarters, right? So it's not like there's not enough pennies out there, it's just that people are unintentionally hoarding them.

jrickards 05-15-13 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94 (Post 15628903)
I don't understand how that can work. Does everything now have to be rounded up to the next nickel? So in effect your money becomes a base-20 system or something like that. With so many transactions NOT ending on 5-cent increments in this country, as long as physical currency is accepted, I don't see how they could ever stop making pennies.

Cash sales that end in 1,2,6 or 7¢ will be rounded down, the rest will be rounded up. So, if I handed over $1.50 for a coffee that cost $1.42, I will receive a dime in change, and the guy who handed over $2.00 for a coffee and donut that cost $1.88 also would receive a dime in change.

This doesn't apply to debit, credit card or any other non-cash sales.

Any pennies in circulation that end up back at the bank are sent out for destruction (although I'm sure that the bank will receive $0.50 for each roll of pennies that it sends off).

PatrickGSR94 05-15-13 02:34 PM

hmm interesting... all our change goes into a bucket on the kitchen counter, and yeah I do fish out the quarters sometimes, but other times I'm looking for an exact change amount (2 b'fast burritos at McD's is $2.18 with tax for instance) so I get out the exact change including pennies. And then every year or two I'll roll up the change including pennies and try to get paper dollars for them somewhere.

Sorry for that, back to the Turning Left tutorial speak :D

RubeRad 05-15-13 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by jrickards (Post 15629205)
Cash sales that end in 1,2,6 or 7¢ will be rounded down, the rest will be rounded up.

Wait, what!? Why 1,2,6,7 instead of 1,2,3,4?

dramiscram 05-15-13 04:44 PM

Thanks for the tip! I can't use mirror anymore, too dangerous because I kept looking at my beautiful self instead of looking at the road :roflmao2:

jyl 05-15-13 05:14 PM

Imagine your right arm is a string pulled taut from handlebar grip to right shoulder. From the grip that string goes rearward and upward. Now imagine you are pivoting your shoulders and torso to the left, as most of us do when looking over our left shoulder. Your right shoulder also moves to the left. Now the string has to go rearward, and upward, and leftward. It can't stretch, so it can't do that - to add the leftward reach, the string has to go less far rearward or less far upward. Dipping your right shoulder reduces the upward reach and lefts the string reach leftward.

jrickards 05-15-13 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 15629531)
Wait, what!? Why 1,2,6,7 instead of 1,2,3,4?

11¢ and 12¢ will be rounded down to 10¢ and 16¢ and 17¢ will be rounded down to 15¢. 13¢ and 14¢ will be rounded up to 15¢ and 18¢ and 19¢ will be rounded up to 20¢.

Make sense now?

J.C. Koto 05-15-13 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by jrickards (Post 15630211)
11¢ and 12¢ will be rounded down to 10¢ and 16¢ and 17¢ will be rounded down to 15¢. 13¢ and 14¢ will be rounded up to 15¢ and 18¢ and 19¢ will be rounded up to 20¢.

Make sense now?

So is 20¢ rounded down to 10¢ or rounded up to 30¢?

PatrickGSR94 05-15-13 09:46 PM

nooo it's rounded to the nearest nickel. 1 or 2 cents goes down to 0. 3 or 4 goes up to 5, 6 or 7 goes down to 5, 8 or 9 goes up to 10, and so on.

RubeRad 05-15-13 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94 (Post 15630724)
nooo it's rounded to the nearest nickel. 1 or 2 cents goes down to 0. 3 or 4 goes up to 5, 6 or 7 goes down to 5, 8 or 9 goes up to 10, and so on.

Oh duh, of course. But what do you expect from a guy who just now figured out how to look left on a bike!

RubeRad 05-15-13 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by jyl (Post 15629794)
Imagine your right arm is a string pulled taut from handlebar grip to right shoulder. From the grip that string goes rearward and upward. Now imagine you are pivoting your shoulders and torso to the left, as most of us do when looking over our left shoulder. Your right shoulder also moves to the left. Now the string has to go rearward, and upward, and leftward. It can't stretch, so it can't do that - to add the leftward reach, the string has to go less far rearward or less far upward. Dipping your right shoulder reduces the upward reach and lefts the string reach leftward.

That makes sense. Hopefully I'll get good at that movement soon!

Bike Gremlin 05-16-13 01:30 AM

I do that all the time on both bicycle and motorcycle. It works nice.

The Chemist 05-17-13 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 15625861)
mirrors have blind spots. always look back.

I've got mine aligned so I can see the edge of my rear rack, which basically eliminates blind spots. However, when I'm planning to move left to make a turn, I still shoulder check to make sure I haven't missed something before moving over.

RubeRad 05-22-13 08:32 AM

Finally watched Amgen ToC stage 1 off the DVR last night, I noticed some of the pros looking back this way, although only when they're coasting in the peloton. When they're trying to break away they always peek back or under their armpit with both hands on the bars.


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