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Originally Posted by Ridefreemc
(Post 15714944)
I don't know what you are driving (or if you have two cars/married/a s.o.), but you might be surprised at how much it does actually cost each year. If you factor in gas, oil, tires, brakes and other items that get replaced due to regular wear. Add to that costs for stuff that just breaks. And insurance plus depreciation it comes out to much more than most realize.
I don't miss your larger point though. I might also believe that, depending on where you actually relocate, food costs would be higher as well. |
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Originally Posted by tjspiel
(Post 15709078)
It's the second part that I question is really true. Let's say you were to hand out a survey out to people who lived within 10 miles of work and asked them to rank the reasons why they don't commute by bike, my guess is that spandex would be pretty low on the list if it shows up at all. Here's what I think you are more likely to see:
It would take too long I often have to travel to other locations while at work I wouldn't feel safe What if it rains/snows, etc? It's dark when I go into or come home from work I have to drop the kids off at daycare/school or run other errands I need to look good and there's no shower facilities It's too much work As far as spandex goes, I think most people are smart enough to realize that it's optional. It's not like we put our kids in bike shorts and jerseys before we let them get on a bike. Most adults have ridden in regular clothes plenty of times. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=321827 All in all, I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head with this. When I contemplated bicycle commuting (and this was long before I knew more about bicycles/was a BF member), many of the reasons you listed actually were the things keeping me [if only in my mind] from bike-commuting. I don't think most people with any modicum of sense really believe that one has to wear a full kit in order to commute. It's just that, as a society based on so many instantaneous interactions, most people see bike commuting as "too much work", whereas it's actually not that bad, once one gets their own little routine/system going. |
Take too long and too much work are what kept me from trying it for close to a year (from May of last year when I got back into bikes until just a few weeks ago). But now I have done it, several times now, and boy am I glad I finally took the plunge! :)
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
(Post 15716695)
Take too long and too much work are what kept me from trying it for close to a year (from May of last year when I got back into bikes until just a few weeks ago). But now I have done it, several times now, and boy am I glad I finally took the plunge! :)
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What a great article! I have to agree with it wholeheartedly. I live in a small-to-midsize Ontario city, and you can drive from one end to the other in 30 minutes. Cycling only takes twice as long at best - probably less once you work out the routes. And most places are within 20 minutes. The problem is the lack of infrastructure: getting squeezed to one side while the cars and trucks rumble by isn't much fun.
But the cycling culture he talks about is right to the point. Even the look of cycling can be hard on the eyes. When I first got back on the bike over a year ago, I was amazed at how... ugly a good number of bikes were when I went shopping. The swooshes and aggressive line art, coupled with colours that could make you vomit, were too much. Whatever happened to clean and attractive? I had to ask myself if 10 years from now could I live with looking at the bike, and "no" came up frequently. And I couldn't get comfortable on a number of them, and I'm fairly active and fit, so I wasn't above trying out more aggressive postures. Hybrids seemed too, well, blah... racing styled bikes were great, but I couldn't see myself commuting or running errands on them, and the comfort bikes seemed pokey. I wanted a bike that I remember from my youth where I just rode the bloody thing everywhere and anywhere. Spandex! It has it's place, but for the most part, I don't want to look like a rolling advertisement. Bicycling Times is a great magazine - very practical, interesting, and to the point. Bicycling, on the other hand, has some good articles and features, but it perpetuates the 20% of the high end cycling that 80% of the population will never achieve or even arguably desire. It just kills me that the latest edition of Bicycling was supposedly the definitive issue on urban cycling: the article was what? 8 pages? It did feature, I think, the blogger of Lovely Bicycle! - a real credit there - but the rest of the magazine was the norm. Bicycling Times, on the other hand, is all about cycling on a daily basis. No offense to the racers out there! If you're happy where you are, more power to you. But if cycling is to become (again) a true societal movement, it has to appeal to the masses, not the elite. As for helmets... well, I have to disagree with the author and all the naysayers. I wear a helmet, and for any activity that you can go significantly faster than a walk or a run, wear a helmet. Sure they might not protect you in a severe collision - nothing can - but it's all the other incidents that can make a difference. Even a simple stumble and fall can be dangerous. Your skull + concrete edge = a bloody mess. Arguing that a helmet is not needed because it will be insignificant in a severe collision is like arguing because the car I'm driving will get crushed when I get run over by a semi-tractor trailer, there's no point in wearing my seat belt or enabling the air bags. Well, I know the helmet issue is practically pointless to argue on this forum, but that's my 5 cents worth (they've gotten rid of the penny in Canada - no two cents anymore!). |
We need to get rid of our pennies, too.
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Why are we so hung up on what cyclists wear? Commuting I'll wear jeans and cotton T with no helmet and no one cares. Or I'll wear bibs and jersey with designer sunglasses (outside the helmet straps naturally), and no one cares. Any bizarre combination thereof - no one cares and there's no difference in how people drive around me. I think it's all a red herring and a way to label other people, nothing more to it than that.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
(Post 15725535)
We need to get rid of our pennies, too.
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Originally Posted by Ozonation
(Post 15725489)
What a great article! I have to agree with it wholeheartedly. I live in a small-to-midsize Ontario city, and you can drive from one end to the other in 30 minutes. Cycling only takes twice as long at best - probably less once you work out the routes. And most places are within 20 minutes. The problem is the lack of infrastructure: getting squeezed to one side while the cars and trucks rumble by isn't much fun.
But the cycling culture he talks about is right to the point. Even the look of cycling can be hard on the eyes. When I first got back on the bike over a year ago, I was amazed at how... ugly a good number of bikes were when I went shopping. The swooshes and aggressive line art, coupled with colours that could make you vomit, were too much. Whatever happened to clean and attractive? I had to ask myself if 10 years from now could I live with looking at the bike, and "no" came up frequently. And I couldn't get comfortable on a number of them, and I'm fairly active and fit, so I wasn't above trying out more aggressive postures. Hybrids seemed too, well, blah... racing styled bikes were great, but I couldn't see myself commuting or running errands on them, and the comfort bikes seemed pokey. I wanted a bike that I remember from my youth where I just rode the bloody thing everywhere and anywhere. Spandex! It has it's place, but for the most part, I don't want to look like a rolling advertisement. Bicycling Times is a great magazine - very practical, interesting, and to the point. Bicycling, on the other hand, has some good articles and features, but it perpetuates the 20% of the high end cycling that 80% of the population will never achieve or even arguably desire. It just kills me that the latest edition of Bicycling was supposedly the definitive issue on urban cycling: the article was what? 8 pages? It did feature, I think, the blogger of Lovely Bicycle! - a real credit there - but the rest of the magazine was the norm. Bicycling Times, on the other hand, is all about cycling on a daily basis. ... |
Most of my responses to the article itself have been covered:
- The general idea of the article is grand. - I wear a helmet because my head is extremely useful to me, and a helmet decreases the chance of injury should I hit my head at high speed. - It would be terrific if all cyclists were better at following rules of the road. As a cyclist and car driver, nothing makes me more upset than seeing people cycling dangerously, giving us all a bad name. - Seeing some people wearing lycra (And I guess helmets, too. Whatever.) is not a barrier to other people riding. I don't wear lycra because I don't like it. The fact that some other people do has never made me question whether or not I should be riding. - US cities are mostly more sprawled out than European cities, and it's easier to own a car here. Thus, our cycling infrastructure is never going to be as good, and bike commuting will never be as popular. One additional thing that really bothers me is this guy selling himself as a physician. He's not. He's a chiropractor. In America, if you are calling yourself a physician, you better be an MD or a DO. He's using a false title to give his words more credence, and it makes me think everything he has to say is BS. |
Originally Posted by dankev
(Post 15726927)
One additional thing that really bothers me is this guy selling himself as a physician. He's not. He's a chiropractor. In America, if you are calling yourself a physician, you better be an MD or a DO. He's using a false title to give his words more credence, and it makes me think everything he has to say is BS.
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