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Old 06-27-13, 08:51 PM
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Who ever said ignorance is bliss is an idiot!

I know I'm not the first nor will I be the last and for that matter my encounter was mild to say the least but I wanted to share my amusing commute home with you. I commute 8 miles round trip to work everyday. Some of it by bike path and some on the road. Part of my road travel takes me past a university. There is painted parking on the curb and there's the road. I do tend to ride in the door zone (however I am hyper aware of my surroundings) due to the road being so bad you either ride the zone or take the lane for the 3/4 mile strip.

Anyway I was minding my business when a car honked at me while "having" to cross the yellow to pass me. When I looked up he had his hand out the window pointing either to the sidewalk or to the parking strip I don't know which. Having checked with my local and state laws like most EVERY state in the union I am obligated to ride in the street. So I simply shook my head no stating I was unwilling to ride where he believed I should be. So he flipped me off and went on his way.

I'm considering contacting my local news outlets to see if they would be willing to do an expo on the laws and cyclists rights. Anyway I found it funny and thought I'd share.

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Old 06-27-13, 08:57 PM
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All you got was a finger.... You might be taken to tears in a major city because that is considered a great day here in L.A.
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Old 06-27-13, 09:03 PM
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There will always be misinformed jerks like that, and the first couple will leave you feeling like you just HAVE to do something about it. But my experience is that if you wait and cool down, you will realize that the best advocacy except in the most extreme cases (if your life is seriously threatened or you are harassed over and over again, more than just once in a while) is to continue riding like you should. Motorists in the area will eventually normalize you.


P.S. don't ever let one or two rude drivers ruin a ride.
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Old 06-27-13, 09:22 PM
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Well, the original quote was:

"No more;—where ignorance is bliss,
'Tis folly to be wise.
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But what you experienced was pretty typical. Have you thought about getting involved with your local bicycle advocacy groups to actually change things?

And stay out of the door zone. That can change from benign to fatal in a millisecond. Taking the lane may be your only option.
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Old 06-27-13, 09:52 PM
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recently a car honked at me while I was taking the lane on a left turn stop sign. I just ignored it.

Maybe I should wear a shirt saying "city statue 1.22 Cyclists has a right to the road and use up a full lane..."
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Gotta agree.

The original context was that it must be blissful to be ignorant ... I wouldn't know ... however, it seems that a positive correlation exists between degree of ignorance and overall happiness.
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Stay out of the door zone. You are responsible for your own safety, which is not to be forfeited to some motorist's convenience.
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Old 06-28-13, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by E.S. View Post
P.S. don't ever let one or two rude drivers ruin a ride.
I love rude drivers. They allow me to practice my sprinting and weaving skills as I pursue them and often catch them. I then very much enjoy educating them on applicable traffic statutes and/or explaining how their actions threatened me.
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Rude and ignorant motorists are like a swarm of gnats around me much of the time. If i took the time to swat at them all I would never get anywhere. I will admit that posting special incidents here does make me feel better sometimes.
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Rude and ignorant motorists are like a swarm of gnats around me much of the time. If i took the time to swat at them all I would never get anywhere. I will admit that posting special incidents here does make me feel better sometimes.
I was referring to intentionally rude motorists, not the far more common unintentionally rude (e.g. inattentive and/or unskilled) north american motorist.
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
I was referring to intentionally rude motorists, not the far more common unintentionally rude (e.g. inattentive and/or unskilled) north american motorist.
At least the intentionally rude motorist is SEEING you. That is half the battle won IMO. But I understand the distinction you are making.
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Stay out of the door zone. You are responsible for your own safety, which is not to be forfeited to some motorist's convenience.
Yep, as a teen I knocked the door of a '65 Galaxie off it's hinges when the owner sprung it open on me. Being a teen, I came out decently despite contacting the edge of the door.
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Old 06-28-13, 02:33 PM
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Yep, as a teen I knocked the door of a '65 Galaxie off it's hinges when the owner sprung it open on me. Being a teen, I came out decently despite contacting the edge of the door.
Holy crap. I bet that extended a good 4 feet into the road.

Which reminds me, I have tried to imagine the widest possible door I could encounter (I have an early-70s Lincoln Mark III in mind), then I add 21 cm (width of my bars) plus a few more for error, and that's the minimum safe distance I ride from a line of cars. Sometimes that puts me over the painted line of a bike lane, but that's what it is.
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I have tried to imagine the widest possible door I could encounter...
My vote...1970 Cadillac ElDorado



Total length of car is 18.4 feet and it's a 2-door! I come up with 4.7 feet of door measuring the photo with a ruler.

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Old 06-28-13, 03:26 PM
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I'd like to get a biking jersey that on that back in giant letters says SHARE THE ROAD, or 3 FEET with an <--- beneath it.
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I'd like to get a biking jersey that on that back in giant letters says SHARE THE ROAD, or 3 FEET with an <--- beneath it.
Not a big fan of "Share the Road" myself. I like "Change Lanes To Pass" much better. Motorists have no idea what Share The Road means. They think it means we should be in the same lane at the same time "sharing". Or that I should move onto the sidewalk and SHARE when they overtake me. To me, share the road means "If I am ahead of you, the lane is MINE" and "If you are ahead of me the lane is YOURS".
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I'd like to get a biking jersey that on that back in giant letters says SHARE THE ROAD, or 3 FEET with an <--- beneath it.
Look at the view of the backside of this jersey.
http://www.sharetheroadapparel.com/m...?product_id=70

But, I agree with JoeyBike. The vast majority of motorists don't know what "Share the road" means.

I someday, want a jersey that says "I am NOT the reason you are late."
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
Not a big fan of "Share the Road" myself. I like "Change Lanes To Pass" much better. Motorists have no idea what Share The Road means. They think it means we should be in the same lane at the same time "sharing". Or that I should move onto the sidewalk and SHARE when they overtake me. To me, share the road means "If I am ahead of you, the lane is MINE" and "If you are ahead of me the lane is YOURS".
good point. +1 for the change lanes to pass print. definitely.

how about a jersey that says "honk again. i dare you."
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how about a jersey that says "honk again. i dare you."
Or as my friend had made for himself:

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Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
I love rude drivers. They allow me to practice my sprinting and weaving skills as I pursue them and often catch them. I then very much enjoy educating them on applicable traffic statutes and/or explaining how their actions threatened me.
There must be a lot more stop signs and lower speed limits on your routes. Everything where I live is 50 or better until you get into a town/city. There must also be fewer rednecks in your area because around here, you never know who's going to be packing heat when you knock on their window, even if you can catch up to confront them about something. I personally think the best advocacy, the majority of the time, is to not overreact and just keep riding.
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Originally Posted by E.S. View Post
There must be a lot more stop signs and lower speed limits on your routes.
Thanks to a recent law, 20 mph speed limit signs are being installed all over PDX.

Everything where I live is 50 or better until you get into a town/city. There must also be fewer rednecks in your area because around here, you never know who's going to be packing heat when you knock on their window,
I would never "knock" on someone's window in this context. My voice is more than sufficient to attract the attention of most motorists -- and it's up to them whether they want to have a conversation.

you never know who's going to be packing heat when you knock on their window


I personally think the best advocacy, the majority of the time, is to not overreact and just keep riding.
IMO, appeasing bullies is the exact opposite of advocacy.

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Dude, I live in Redneckistan.


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IMO, appeasing bullies is the exact opposite of advocacy.
I never said we should "appease", I just don't feel the need to go yell at jerks who will do nothing but yell back and be happy/justified doing it to the next person on two wheels. A mature, 'non-impulse', 'non-road rage' response from us is more likely to garner more polite behavior even from the meanest rednecks - that's my experience. I've seen jerks on my commute give me more room the next day and no attitude after I ignored them blasting by me yelling for holding them up by a couple seconds the day before. It works.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
Gotta agree.

The original context was that it must be blissful to be ignorant ... I wouldn't know ... however, it seems that a positive correlation exists between degree of ignorance and overall happiness.
Click on the link. Worth the read.
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All you got was a finger.... You might be taken to tears in a major city because that is considered a great day here in L.A.
Seriously... like, every other day.
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