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ThermionicScott 09-10-13 06:14 PM

RUSA requires one tail light and one reflector if you're going to be out after dark on a brevet. But I usually take the reflector off between brevets. :)

GeneO 09-10-13 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by 10 Wheels (Post 16051801)

Scotty, it's a Photon drive!

PlanoFuji 09-10-13 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Colorado Kid (Post 16051740)
How many Tail Lights should one have on the rear of their bicycle? I've heard all sorts of answers to this question but I throw it out to the list if there is a proper number to have. If one were to practice redundancy, then several would be the answer in case one or more fail during your journey. So how many do you have on your bicycle?

I believe you can find an answer as to what the minimum is in your locations laws on the subject. Anything above and beyond that is entirely up to you and your level of paranoia.


Originally Posted by jyl (Post 16051948)
My main tail light is on the helmet (Knog V4 Blinder, 4 LEDs and very bright). I also have a couple coin-cell blinkies on the saddlebag flap, as backup. Oh, I also have some Trax bar-end lights, but I don't think they are all that effective as tail lights.

On the rear, reflective is as important as lighting, because the car's headlights are more powerful than bike tail lights. I save most of my lighting efforts for the front.


Originally Posted by 10 Wheels (Post 16052296)
Hope you really don't believe that.....If you do, you have it wrong.


Originally Posted by Murray Missile (Post 16052474)
Sure does, I had a cop stop me a few years ago to tell me he could see my single red 3-LED blinkie light over a mile away. He then asked where I bought it as he wanted to get one for his daughter's bike.

Yep those blinkly lights can be seen from quite a distance; however, that doesn't mean they are brighter than a car's reflected head lights. The head lights only get reflected at much closer distances than the mile quoted above and at those distances, it is easy to visually confirm that the reflector is brighter than the tail light.

Indeed the biggest problem with active tail lights on bikes is that they are nearly impossible to tell how far away they are. However the reflectors do provide a distinct indication of how close the car is to the bike.

Jyl's statement that rear reflectors are as important as active lights is a true one. Neither option is as effective or safe as both in combination. Of course the very nature of active lights is that they can fail (no matter how many you use), but that passive reflectors will always be there.

I am constantly amazed how many want ever greater power output on their active lights, but fail to install even the minimum legally required reflectors...

richardmasoner 09-10-13 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by 10 Wheels (Post 16052296)
Hope you really don't believe that.....If you do, you have it wrong.

I not only believe what jyl wrote, I'd go so far as to write that the front light is more important than the rear for several reasons: from the front is where you're going to get smacked from the side, and closing distance (and response time) is faster from the front.

Obviously I have fairly bright lights front and rear, but if I was forced to pick one or the other then the front is an easy choice.

Surrealdeal 09-10-13 08:18 PM

This thread has hit two pages and nobody has said that the answer is 42?

MikeM21 09-10-13 08:52 PM

42

Shahmatt 09-10-13 09:44 PM

Two I think. One switched on flash. The other on solid. The flashing one to gather attention. The solid one to gauge distance.

But more important to get the front lights in order I think. Getting whacked from the side is more common than being rear ended.

walrus1 09-10-13 09:53 PM

I use 2. One on the cargo rack another on my messenger bag. One on rack is set too a slow steady blink. The other is a fast and alternating blink.

mconlonx 09-11-13 07:33 AM

2 - one on the bike, one on the helmet. Usually one set to steady, one blinking.

alan s 09-11-13 07:54 AM

Usually two PBSFs. However, 95% of my commute is on MUPs, so I can get away without a tail light, as long as I'm careful on the 5% where cars are around.

Used lights for the first time last night since last winter. Noticed lots of folks had relatively weak headlights. That will change when the serious headlights come out to play. I was running only a single headlight, and even that was way more powerful than anything else I saw. When I break out the megalumen blaster, their puny lights will be completely useless.

loneviking61 09-11-13 07:57 AM

2. A Bell on the seat post set to blinking mode, and a Serfas Thunderbolt (rechargeable, very very bright) on the back of the rack set to solid red.

Dwayne 09-11-13 08:24 AM

I run two on the commuter, one flashing DangerZone on the back of my helmet, and one battery-powered trailer light I wired up myself, very noticeable and bright, and very easy to see from a distance. On the road bike I run a PDW Red Planet on the seatpost, not as bright as the light on the commuter, but I'm moving quicker on those days, so I don't worry as much about it.

Here's the light on my commuter. I prefer a big, steady light that makes it easy to gauge distance from a car to the bike vs a bunch of small lights that flash.
http://blewsclues.com/multimedia/ima...515_073148.jpg

spivonious 09-11-13 08:46 AM

I have one three LED blinky attached to my rear rack and a one LED red "SpokeLit" light on my rear wheel (http://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Spoke...le+wheel+light). I run them at night and when visibility is low.

I find that a bright headlight and a reflective vest make a much bigger difference in nighttime driver behavior than a rear blinky. The reflective sidewalls on my tires help a bit too, but it's tough to keep them clean.

Dwayne 09-11-13 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by spivonious (Post 16054201)
I have one three LED blinky attached to my rear rack and a one LED red "SpokeLit" light on my rear wheel (http://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Spoke...le+wheel+light). I run them at night and when visibility is low.

I find that a bright headlight and a reflective vest make a much bigger difference in nighttime driver behavior than a rear blinky. The reflective sidewalls on my tires help a bit too, but it's tough to keep them clean.

I also have an LED light on each wheel (made by Cateye) that I use in the winter when it's really dark, and wear a reflective, yellow safety construction vest. Sidewalls are also reflective, and I agree, it's a pain to keep them clean enough to be effective, another reason I'd like to switch to disc brakes.

On the front I use a Philips SafeRide on low when on the MUP, and on high when on the road, very noticeable because of the reflector size. Also run a "900 lumen" chinese light on low when on the road, as a "see me" without causing glare.

rumrunn6 09-11-13 09:15 AM

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I always use 2, day and night. They are always on strobe. I find the one on my left drop bar instantly brought me more courtesy room from passing cars.

Double0757 09-11-13 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCarrot (Post 16052092)
I'll agree with that. If you have 2 static points of light, then an observer can get a much better idea of your position, speed and direction by observing each light relative to the other. For instance, how far apart they appear. As you approach, the gap between them will seem to increase thus allowing easier judgement of the observed object.

The same can be true of blinkies or mixed lights, but is easier with 2 static lights.

Agree 100%. I myself like to run three on a triangle. One middle dynamo rear run on steady and two rear rack mounted on the sides. Of the two sides, one run on steady and the other on blinkie.


Originally Posted by markg (Post 16052012)
Seriously, it can be extremely difficult to judge distance and relative speed of just a single light at night. So I always run 2 - one on the bike, and one on my helmet.

Two is my minimum and I do it more often than not and still feel safe. Two lights, one on steady, and the other on blinking. The grater the distance between them, the better.


Originally Posted by Murray Missile (Post 16052474)
Sure does, I had a cop stop me a few years ago to tell me he could see my single red 3-LED blinkie light over a mile away. He then asked where I bought it as he wanted to get one for his daughter's bike.

Yes, one will get you seen from a mile away! But I would not feel safe on traffic, specially if I had to take the lane on a fast road. Have you seen motorcycles with only one head light? It's hard to judge distance, or closure rate, specially on a dark road.

Only one blinkie on the bike, taking the bike lane only, on a well lit road, would feel like I'm just limping safely home. Double O

tarwheel 09-11-13 10:19 AM

I usually run 3 taillights -- two on my bike and one on my helmet. My best taillight is a Dinotte 140 LED, and it is like having a red headlight on the back of my bike. However, I never rely on it alone because its batteries sometime lose their charge while I am commuting. My other lights are a Planet Bike Superflash and a DangerZone.

vol 09-11-13 10:32 AM

I usually use two taillights especially when a light is highly directional. It also depends on where I'm riding. In traffic with a lot of cars, at least 2 taillights plus at least 1 sidelight (or spoke lights :D). On short local trips or when it's not very dark (dusk or overcast), I use less.

Often I also carry back-up lights in my bag in addition to those in use, or spare batteries, or both.

DXchulo 09-11-13 10:36 AM

I'd say at least two in case one goes out. Sometimes I run 3.

Bluish Green 09-11-13 10:58 AM

2 lights:

PDW DangerZone - steady (on seatpost)
PDW Radbot 1000 - flashing (on rear rack)

I like one flashing light to get attention, plus one steady light to help with distance and velocity perception.

Plus reflector (comes as part of Radbot)
Plus retroreflective tape on fender, bike, and helmet
Plus retroreflective panels that come standard on Ortlieb panniers


I like the suggestion of putting a light on the helmet, to get it higher off the ground and also to get more separation from other light. Have not tried that yet, though.

fietsbob 09-11-13 11:20 AM

as I have adopted a Hub dynamo , wired LED head and taillight setup .

One is sufficient B&M toplight line plus to be precise , capacitor powered standlight
keeps it on at stops ..


RUSA requires one tail light and one reflector if you're going to be out after dark on a brevet. I usually take the reflector off between brevets.
the fresnel lens and 2 LEDs light up a broad line, and the rest of the lens ,
which is a reflector as well, so
dividing them up to remove one would not be possible .


I recently moved to within a couple miles of anywhere in town (which is not large).

mconlonx 09-11-13 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 16054835)
as I have adopted a Hub dynamo , wired LED head and taillight setup .

One is sufficient B&M toplight line plus to be precise , capacitor powered standlight keeps it on at stops ..

I also run a hub dynamo on my main commuter, with SuperNova lights front and rear. I still use at least one other rear light (blinking -- the SN rear is only steady on), and sometimes a second headlight up on the bars.

xtrajack 09-11-13 11:46 AM

I roll with 5 taillights:

A Planet Bike Superflash; mounted on the fender, flashing.
Two generic blinkies; mounted on the V-racks of the Xtracycle, solid.
A X-fire (lane marker light/tail light combo, in tail light mode); mounted between the V-racks with a couple of toe straps, solid.
A Blackburn Mars 3.0; helmet mounted, solid.

I also rock a lighted reflective vest, a Whizzz reflector, rear reflective surfaces, and a home modded yellow area light at the top of my safety flag.

I have three lights on the front:

A 110 lumen (claimed) Coleman head band light; helmet mounted (obviously), not usually used.
A Blackburn Quadrant; mounted on my front rack.
A B&M Lumotec (bottle dynamo powered) mounted on the front rack.

Both front rack mounted lights have home made breakaway mounts.

degnaw 09-11-13 12:27 PM

I just use one - I know I *should* run two in case one breaks/falls off/turns itself off, but I find myself too lazy to deal with a ton of lights for short trips.

Rick@OCRR 09-11-13 12:46 PM

I use a vertical format Cat-Eye on the seat-post, a Planet Bike Super Flash (PBSF) on the seat bag and another PBSF on my helmet. Front light wise I have both a NiteRider MyNute headlight on the handlebar and a Topeak white flashing light attached to the right side fork blade.

I use reflective ankle bands but don't have any reflectors on my pedals. Don't know if anyone makes pedal reflectors for Shimano SPD mountain bike pedals, but if anyone knows of any, please advise.

Rick / OCRR


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