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treadtread 01-13-14 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by bigbenaugust (Post 16406979)
But then, I'm also a Unix guy... I enjoy a challenge once in a while?

I usually think of it the other way around - I use Windows occasionally, so I like challenges :). Still, your comment makes me think I should try friction shifting sometime.

bigbenaugust 01-13-14 12:43 PM

Well, I'm also half-deaf-- and my drive-side ear is the dead one-- so trimming while riding through traffic is... well... extremely difficult for me.

But I do appreciate the mechanical simplicity and repairability of friction shifting hardware. There is simply nothing to break in a friction shifter. But that slippery slope led to the purchase of an SS bike. :D

fietsbob 01-13-14 12:44 PM


Grip Shifter never need WD-40. The mechanism is simple and doesn't usually jam like an STI can.
my Grip shifter has 2 cables Pulling in both directions , so always works .. Shifter sequencing in the back Hub.

I have derailleur bikes too . there the FD with a friction shifter works so well , I never seen a reason to use STI.
Ka thunk , Ka thunk throws

You may like them , To Each Their Own.. I fix bikes with them , an acquired Taste..

spare_wheel 01-13-14 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by bigbenaugust (Post 16406979)
But then, I'm also a Unix guy... I enjoy a challenge once in a while?

this is why i switched to linux 11 years ago.

spare_wheel 01-13-14 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Ridefreemc (Post 16393073)
Indexing works beautifully for me and has for about 50,000+ miles. I have recently switched to friction and simply like the smoothness of the shifts. I did ride my Vaya recently with the indexing and it was SUPER convenient to shift, as compared to my bar-end friction shifters. So they both have their advantages. For me I would rather ride in a not so perfect gear some of the time instead of shifting every time I get a few revolutions from perfect. This allows me to enjoy the ride more. YMWill Likely V.

after switching to indexed shifting in the 90s i have never looked back. i'm not a fan of trimming and it's nice to see shimano do away with it on ultegra and dura ace. the di2 bikes i've test ridden are sweet and di2 with an igh makes a lot of sense (igh hubs are not my thing, however).

fietsbob 01-13-14 01:14 PM

Never seen the Di2 Alfine 11, did see a UK tourist last summer with the Versa 11 speed Mechanical Brifter.

dynaryder 01-13-14 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by J.C. Koto (Post 16406770)
I started tolerating grip-shifters in the wintertime because they're easy to use with big gloves/mittens

That's why I like SRAM triggers;they use two thumb levers which are easy to use with thick gloves or even mittens.

J.C. Koto 01-13-14 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 16408230)
That's why I like SRAM triggers;they use two thumb levers which are easy to use with thick gloves or even mittens.

Yeah, I like that design a lot. Definitely what I prefer for flat-bars by a long shot.

zacster 01-13-14 07:53 PM

I kept downtube friction shifters on my 2 classic steel bikes from the 80s, but I paired them with 10 speed cassette wheels, one Campy the other Shimano. Guess what, they shift flawlessly and silently too. I still have the original Campy NR derailleur on one and SR on the other.

10 speed (and other) cassettes have much better shifting performance than the old freewheels ever did due to the ramps and profiles on the teeth and better chains. Just a touch of the shifter puts me in the next gear either way, and I can always multi shift too with a swing of the lever.

rekmeyata 01-13-14 09:12 PM

I have all the systems, friction, indexing, and integrated, of the three I like indexing the best because it shifts faster then integrated and it can be converted to friction mode, I find integrated shifting to be about as fast as friction so no advantage in that department between the two. Indexing require more frequent adjusting that can be painstaking to keep things working exactly, whereas friction is simple and doesn't require exacting or frequent adjustments. Friction opens up more door for usable parts like mixing derailleurs, shifters and cassettes whereas with indexing you have to get indexing compatible parts even though they can be made to work in friction mode. With indexing if you derailleur, derailleur hanger, shifter, cable and chain gets damaged you can't shift whereas with friction you can usually get it to work if not fully at least partially and if all else fails you can shift it by kicking it! With integrated shifting you can't get it work if your drive train gets damaged, and parts are more expensive, most of the time cannot be repaired in the field, and won't last as long.

Due to each kinds unique personality I like friction the best due to it's simplicity and is what I use on my touring bike and couple of road bikes, however I do like indexing because it does snap into gear faster then any system made to date and is fairly cheap and easy enough to work on but it could become useless if some part of the drive train is damaged. Integrated I like the least! It's too finicky, chances are very high you're not going to be able to repair in the field, cost to repair or replace is very high, and it doesn't shift any faster then friction (once you know how to shift a friction system), but it is convenient to have the shifter located in the brake lever.

chaadster 01-13-14 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by zacster (Post 16408573)
10 speed (and other) cassettes have much better shifting performance than the old freewheels ever did due to the ramps and profiles on the teeth and better chains. Just a touch of the shifter puts me in the next gear either way, and I can always multi shift too with a swing of the lever.

Yes, that's a good point. With the advent of Hyperglide, really, in the mid-80s or somewhere around there, shifting really made a huge jump in performance. Indexing further refined it, but the gains were really more oriented toward sport riding and racing, so while still performance gains, they weren't as valuable to the recreational cyclist, perhaps, as Hyperglide was.

Paramount1973 01-13-14 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by Beneficial Ear (Post 16392204)
Elected to keep the stem friction shifters in place as I built up my Schwinn Traveler for commuting duty. I actually have the 8 speed 2200 shifters from my other bike mounted as well as an 8 speed cassette... but after a year of battling with those things I gotta say its so far the simplicity of the friction system is very refreshing. The 2200 shifters are only there for their comfortable hoods, and I do not foresee ever hooking them up for commuting duty ever again.

Has anyone else here dropped index for friction on their commuter bike?

I did not exactly drop indexed for friction, but when I built up my current commuter, I decided to go with Suntour barcons because I had a nice set handy. My road bike has Ultegra indexed bar-end shifters and they're nice but the Suntours work very well. I don't miss the indexing, friction shifting on a Hyperglide cassette with pinned and ramped chainrings is pretty sweet.

noglider 01-14-14 10:01 AM

I prefer indexed, but friction is fine with me. I don't plan to convert any of my too-many bikes, either from or to friction.


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