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Old 01-21-14, 11:13 PM
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Silly Commuter Racing Rules - Subzero Edition

One of the nice things about winter commuting is that I usually have the trails all to myself. Imagine my HORROR this evening when I glanced in my rearview mirror and I see a bike light behind me - and he's gaining on me. I was doing my best, but I was caught and passed. By a guy on a FAT bike!

Here is what I need a ruling on - who has the lower FCN?

https://www.itsnotarace.org/fcn-calculator/

The SCRR don't seem to address fat bikes. Common sense would seem to dictate that fatter tires will produce a larger FCN than skinnier tires. I was riding my mountain bike with 2.1" studded tires. I'm guessing the fat bike tires were not studded.

A couple other significant factors - I was riding platforms in sorel boots; he appeared to have on those fancy smancy 45NRTH boots. I'm riding a '95 Rockhopper I paid $100 for.

Shouldn't the Fred-liness of my boots combined with price ratio of our respective bikes more than make up for the relative fatness of our tires? I need to know.
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They do make studded fat tires. 45 north makes some.
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Fat bikes are full suspension on knobbies.

you lost a point.

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Old 01-22-14, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jdswitters
Fat bikes are full suspension on knobbies.

you lost a point.
Doh!
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Dude, I have no idea how to score that one but, I think that might have been ME that passed you on my Moonlander. Cedar lake trail? Non studded Bud and Lou tires, and yes I'm enjoying year 2 in my super fancy 45nrth boots.
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Hey, at least it was a guy on a fat bike. Better that than a fat guy on a bike. That's embarrassing. It happens to me from time to time!
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Originally Posted by modernjess
Dude, I have no idea how to score that one but, I think that might have been ME that passed you on my Moonlander. Cedar lake trail? Non studded Bud and Lou tires, and yes I'm enjoying year 2 in my super fancy 45nrth boots.
I was on west river road heading south, just after the hill up to Franklin. I was thinking anybody who's out in 0° F is probably a bike forums member!
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Originally Posted by modernjess
Non studded Bud and Lou tires, and yes I'm enjoying year 2 in my super fancy 45nrth boots.
And how do those fancy boots work? I'm almost ready to pay anything for warm feet. Though my sorels are doing the trick, at a significant weight (and Fredly-ness!) penalty.
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Originally Posted by loky1179
I was on west river road heading south, just after the hill up to Franklin. I was thinking anybody who's out in 0° F is probably a bike forums member!
Oh well, not me, I guess it was one of the MPLS fat bike bretheren. The numbers are certainly growing.

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And how do those fancy boots work? I'm almost ready to pay anything for warm feet. Though my sorels are doing the trick, at a significant weight (and Fredly-ness!) penalty.
There are many reviews online so I'll spare you all the details, but bottom line they are the warmest boots I've tried. A great design, really comfortable with a stiff SPD sole (I prefer to be clipped in) and great traction but, honestly they are not always warm enough for me. I have always had a big problem with cold feet on the bike. I did winters with snow hikers and platforms, and winter Sidi boots with thick covers and these are way better. On longer rides I'll get off the bike and walk around they'll warm back up pretty quickly. But for my commute (30-40 min in winter) they are sufficient. As far as the expense goes, I was lucky enough to get an inside the industry discount so it was a no brainer for me give them a shot. YMMV but I'm glad I did.

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Ha, my FCN is +16...does that mean I get 16 points for passing a roadie? Or am I doing this backwards?
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Ha, my FCN is +16...does that mean I get 16 points for passing a roadie? Or am I doing this backwards?
16? Don't tell me you're riding naked in the winter.
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on more than one occasion i have dressed up in team kit and made loud wheezing/panting noises while riding my plastic bike very slowly. watching silly commuter racers strain to pass me triumphantly was freaking hilarious.
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Originally Posted by loky1179
16? Don't tell me you're riding naked in the winter.
Ha, nope, but I've got lots of "fred" gear and a city bike.
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Originally Posted by spivonious
Ha, my FCN is +16...does that mean I get 16 points for passing a roadie? Or am I doing this backwards?
Mine was 16 as well, until I switched bikes this week. Now I'm down to a 12.
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Originally Posted by loky1179
And how do those fancy boots work? I'm almost ready to pay anything for warm feet. Though my sorels are doing the trick, at a significant weight (and Fredly-ness!) penalty.
I have a pair of Lake 303's. Absolutely,marvelous!

Gout has trashed my cold tolerance, these have allowed me to ride without foot pain in the cold.

They are comfortable even in higher temps! Some sort of magic material...
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
on more than one occasion i have dressed up in team kit and made loud wheezing/panting noises while riding my plastic bike very slowly. watching silly commuter racers strain to pass me triumphantly was freaking hilarious.
This selfless act of public service should not go unrecognized!
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If it was one of those $200 WalMart fat tire bikes, you were slaughtered.
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Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill.

Probably not always, but it did last night. Came to a red light on the bike path headed toward campus. Young college guy
on an older race bike pulls up behind me and my trusty 5 speed FRED commuter . He passes me before we even get across the street. I hear the gears clicking and off he goes, but it is a long downhill and I keep within 50 yards of him until the bottom. A sharp left at the bottom of the hill and we are both headed toward the tunnel under the road but he is way out in front now. When going this route I usually take a shortcut that goes up a dirt embankment from the path at tunnel level to the road up top. It is steep and soft, but I have taken it many times over the years and know what gear and line I want, as well as a fondness for cyclecross tires on my otherwise gentlemanly upright diamond frame. College guy takes the short cut off the paved path and has to go feet down without making the top. I cruise by with enough speed to get a good hop up onto the curb and down the road to the next stop light, getting through first, a solid win for the old guy. As soon as I get through the light (caught it on the green) I hear some serious huffing behind me and get passed 30 yards before the stop sign, which was not the finish line of my SCR.

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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
on more than one occasion i have dressed up in team kit and made loud wheezing/panting noises while riding my plastic bike very slowly. watching silly commuter racers strain to pass me triumphantly was freaking hilarious.
That's what they all say . . .
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I commute on a Giant Rapid I added drop bars to. With a trunk and panniers. I kill mtb commuters. Lol. Once in a while a road bike commuter shows up but very rarely. The kids on fixes don't even bother me. They know better. On the weekends I take off the trunk/panniers and don my kit. Still funny with my rack and fenders though trying to race with my roommate on his Madone.
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I can't wait to Cat 6 some suckers tomorrow!
JK!! (sort of)

Seriously though I have noticed quite a few fat tire bikes on the MUP's lately, I hope for their sake none of them try to pass me, they'd have to get severely cat 6'd. Really, those things must be terribly slow I'd hate to commute on one in anything but extreme snow and ice conditions.
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I was an 11!! Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
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13 in the winter, 8 in the summer
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I'm not quite sure if I'm considered to be a proper single speed or a faux single speed. I only have one gear. So if proper I'm a 7, faux 9. I had a kid on a Trek mtb trying so hard to stay in front of me yesterday. He ran a red light just to get in front of me. Then he kept getting out of his seat whenever I got close. I don't think he knew how to use his gears. He had such a slow cadence the whole time. I admit I tried to catch him but I never pushed myself.
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My calculated FCN was 2. As in TWO. Is that max Fredliness or what?

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PS: Never have seen a bicycle commuter on a fat bike on my commutes.
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