Do You "Filter"?
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"Do You "Filter"?"
Yes, New York City tradition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0slPl...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
Yes, New York City tradition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0slPl...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
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Am I not understanding something here? Cutting between two lanes of cars to get to the front of the left turn lane is illegal in my state (Illinois), incredibly rude to drivers and entirely unsafe. What possible justification is there for this behavior? We are to follow the same rules as cars. Period.
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A bit hyperbolic, don't you think? If toxic, teratogenic or carcinogenic chemicals are there when you are sandwiched between motor vehicles, they are there when you are moving. On the other hand, modern motor vehicles (which means anything built after 1975) have catalytic converters that oxidize and greatly reduce the concentration of chemicals coming from car exhaust that fit into those categories.
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When done correctly filtering gets everybody home faster and is safer for the cyclist. I see nothing rude about that. The cyclist may not be appreciated by motorists that don't understand. But they're still being done a favor by and large.
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I think you are misunderstanding my point. When making a right turn in a car or on a bike, moving to the right and proceeding to the light is a perfectly acceptable practice. But if a car driver were to move to the right to the head of the line then jump out in front of the line to proceed straight, how do you think the other drivers would react? If a car were to drive up the right side of a line of cars waiting to turn left and then turn left in front of the line, how would the other drivers react? Road rage would be a mild reaction.
It's funny how many cyclist practices that used to bother/befuddle me before I started riding have become part of my standard practice as a bike commuter. The first time I took the lane because there were too many potholes on the far right, I remember thinking "ah, so that's why they do that!"
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Originally Posted by 1nterceptor"Do You "Filter"?"
Yes, New York City tradition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0slPl...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
DOOOOOOD! you're not gonna live long doin' that!
Yes, New York City tradition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0slPl...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
DOOOOOOD! you're not gonna live long doin' that!
The city has started to put bike boxes at some intersections, so they expect bicycles to move to the front of the line at a stoplight. I don't know how effective these are, and some cycling advocates say they're a bad idea.
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It's an adjective, means discourteous or impolite. Here's a link
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IME, it's safer than filtering curb side since you are less likely to be doored or hooked. Gaps are the things I watch out for since they may allow a lane change by an upstream vehicle. In practice, the risk of traffic beginning to move again is low since you should have plenty of advance warning and time to re-insert.
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It's an adjective, means discourteous or impolite. Here's a link
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You mean.... you know better than the laws? That you, or cyclists in general... should just make-up highway laws as we pedal? PLEASE explain... how putting oneself above the law... is NOT rude (at least).
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I won't? I've been riding in NYC for over 6 years now.This was before all of the bike lanes;
some routes don't have any bicycle infrastructure. Here's another ride from about 4 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jkf_...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
some routes don't have any bicycle infrastructure. Here's another ride from about 4 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jkf_...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
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The laws have been made by people without much awareness or sensitivity to the needs of cyclists. I regularly break the law in the interest of safety.
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I won't? I've been riding in NYC for over 6 years now.This was before all of the bike lanes;
some routes don't have any bicycle infrastructure. Here's another ride from about 4 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jkf_...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
some routes don't have any bicycle infrastructure. Here's another ride from about 4 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jkf_...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
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I am sure you know better than the traffic engineers, police, elected officials, voters ... and all the other polite but otherwise unaware and insensitive people... [that] you share the roads [and everything else] with.
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Guys - I think one thing to point out is we know what's best for us in a given situation. I mentioned it earlier but there's a different approach I sometimes take to avoid that intersection completely but it involves maybe 200' of salmoning. Depending on traffic that's a much safer approach for me.
We all feel differently about the what we do & how we do it and I have enjoyed hearing the different opinions and explanations.
For those freaking out about the filtering - it's legal here - nobody bats an eye over it. Whether it's safe in the given situation is another story. I felt safe while riding through that intersection, had my eyes on the front wheels of the cars on the left. I do think the perspective of the video adds some drama.
We all feel differently about the what we do & how we do it and I have enjoyed hearing the different opinions and explanations.
For those freaking out about the filtering - it's legal here - nobody bats an eye over it. Whether it's safe in the given situation is another story. I felt safe while riding through that intersection, had my eyes on the front wheels of the cars on the left. I do think the perspective of the video adds some drama.
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I'm making decisions based on a catalog of policies as I pedal, not "making up laws" as I pedal. Laws are for people to control other people. I'm just concerned with my own behavior. You ride your ride.
Learning in this area is constant. So there is no Law Book. I left that in the dust while I was still a teenager. I'm 53 now and pursuing a direction that I know to be safer and more pleasant not only for me, but for drivers out there too.
I strive to filter in a way that's good for everybody. Filtering can be done in a less thoughtful manner. I don't get it right 100% of the time. If I filtered and then had 20 cars I had just passed get held up in a narrow lane waiting for a way around, that would make me feel bad inside. If something like that happens, as it does once in a while, I pay attention and generally avoid getting caught like that. Especially on my regular commute.
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I do agree... we all must do what is safest for ourselves. Although... that doesn't always mean fastest or most convenient. Rarely... in my experiences has fastest been the safest. But I'll break the law... and gladly accept a ticket.... if that is what it takes to make it home safe and sound.
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As for attitude,DC area cyclists are pretty regularly subjected to both ridicule and harassment,both online and IRL. We get blamed for everything,even by the cops;people have been struck by cars and then ticketed in the ER for not wearing a helmet,when the law states you don't need one over 16. And at the end of the day,no-one's been killed by a cyclist since 2009,yet every year drivers kill almost twice as many people as the murder rate. So yeah,we do have some 'tude.
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I have to take one of two intersections with a turn lane that offers a similar choice for me on my way home.
I have "filtered" between the turn lane and straight lane, gone in front of the other cars turning, and waited behind cars. It depends on how many cars are there, where in the light cycle when I arrive, if the straight or turn lane goes first, etc.
I tend to evaluate based on what seems safest at the time, and what gets me out of the way of cars the quickest. I have anecdotally observed that drivers are less angry when I go in front and quickly get out of the way enough for them to proceed vs be in the line of cars and slow them down longer.
I have "filtered" between the turn lane and straight lane, gone in front of the other cars turning, and waited behind cars. It depends on how many cars are there, where in the light cycle when I arrive, if the straight or turn lane goes first, etc.
I tend to evaluate based on what seems safest at the time, and what gets me out of the way of cars the quickest. I have anecdotally observed that drivers are less angry when I go in front and quickly get out of the way enough for them to proceed vs be in the line of cars and slow them down longer.
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how putting oneself above the law... is NOT rude (at least).
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