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Well...after reading this thread and getting pretty tired of being surprised what shows up next to me, especially the electric cars (I don't hear them at all!)...I opted for this one. I am not sure how well a mirror on my head would work while riding through traffic. At least now, I am hoping I can mount this thing somewhere to help.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=366433 |
Originally Posted by g0tr00t
(Post 16534888)
Well...after reading this thread and getting pretty tired of being surprised what shows up next to me, especially the electric cars (I don't hear them at all!)...I opted for this one. I am not sure how well a mirror on my head would work while riding through traffic. At least now, I am hoping I can mount this thing somewhere to help.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=366433 |
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
(Post 16535178)
Electric cars? if you listen while riding you can hear the sound of the tires on the pavement, this is true with any car. Having said that, I'm in no way arguing against using a mirror, I use one, just saying people maybe need to pay more attention to their surroundings, it's amazing the stuff you can hear...assuming your hearing is not impaired of course.
I just never thought about throwing a mirror along with all the other stuff I have on. We'll see :) . I noticed in some reviews that the helmet mounts don't work too well when on a road bike. I am going to look around here and see if I spot someone using a helmet mirror. I am also looking forward to seeing a drafter behind me. When I am on the bike trail, I get into that zone and can't stand when I go to avoid something in the road and hear "WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!" Well...get the hell off my ass man...I'll save that for another thread though :) What mirror do you have? |
I ride a road bike almost exclusively and use a helmet-mounted mirror. I just adjust it to be able to see from my normal position on the hoods. If I'm in the drops and looking ahead I can still usually see what's behind me.
With a bike-mounted mirror, you're only going to see what you can see in the mirror's field of view. With the mirror attached to your head in some way, you can scan around and see a much wider field of view behind you. |
Originally Posted by g0tr00t
(Post 16535220)
Slight hearing loss, yeah, its kind of busy on the 4 lane roads, I can hear the tires, but just get surprised when they show up next to me. I usually glance around and assume the noise is from the 2nd lane and not on my ass. I need to assume less :)
I just never thought about throwing a mirror along with all the other stuff I have on. We'll see :) . I noticed in some reviews that the helmet mounts don't work too well when on a road bike. I am going to look around here and see if I spot someone using a helmet mirror. I am also looking forward to seeing a drafter behind me. When I am on the bike trail, I get into that zone and can't stand when I go to avoid something in the road and hear "WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!" Well...get the hell off my ass man...I'll save that for another thread though :) What mirror do you have? |
Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
(Post 16535289)
I ride a road bike almost exclusively and use a helmet-mounted mirror. I just adjust it to be able to see from my normal position on the hoods. If I'm in the drops and looking ahead I can still usually see what's behind me.
With a bike-mounted mirror, you're only going to see what you can see in the mirror's field of view. With the mirror attached to your head in some way, you can scan around and see a much wider field of view behind you.
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
(Post 16535867)
I have the Take A Look sunglass mounted mirror. Keep in mind mirrors have a small image area, I use it only to get an idea if something is behind me and if I need to I use my head to turn and look to get a better view. Even when I drive a car I don't rely on mirrors, I use the mirrors all the time, but I also turn my head to look out windows to make sure where things are...I simply carried on that same habit with the mirror on my glasses when I ride. It's just double checking stuff.
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I use a Mountain Myrricle clamped under the brake hood. I can see behind me as far as the terrain allows. The blind spot is very small, almost non-existent. I do turn my head to check it but moving my head a few inches to one side does the trick also. Heck, If i move enough, I can see the opposite side of my handlebars. My mirror is way more effective than turning my head.
Mirror position is very important. The same mirror at the end of drop bars would be too close and low. On wide straight bars, it would be too far to the side. I once saw a car coming behind so I went on the other side of construction cones. The car swerved at the last second and barely missed the cones. As the car passed, I saw a woman with a blackberry on her knees... It's also useful to do my make-up at stop lights. Don't wan't lipstick all over my beard. |
Originally Posted by Mr Flibble
(Post 16516137)
Evening all
Two questions: 1. Do you use a mirror on your bike? I'm considering one for my commute as I can end up amongst quite a bit of traffic and feel it might benefit my awareness. 2. At the cycle show at the NEC in sept I saw a company marketing a mirror to be worn on the arm. Tried one on and really liked the concept but having searched the internet am struggling to find the company and their product. Anyone see this and can point me in the right direction? Thanks, and happy cycling! |
Originally Posted by greaterbrown
(Post 16518023)
Agreement with Slaninar. One of my bikes has a bar-end mirror and I will soon take it off.
Unfortunately, if a car is going to hit you from behind, there really isn't much you can do about it. As Slan observes, the mirror view of a car approaching quickly from behind distracts from what is in front and to the side of me- the very stuff I CAN make maneuvers to avoid. Also, the field of view in a mirror is so small that I'd never make a lane change based solely on what I see in the mirror. I'd look back first. So then, what's the need for the mirror? |
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I ride with an eyeglasses-mount mirror. 6 years now. Wasn't happy with others (T-a-L, 3rdi) so I made my own,
pictured here. If this style mirror is your choice, please copy the design. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=366598 |
Only because my neck doesn't operate to factory spec. .... I use a mirror attached to my cycling glasses. But the neck exercises really have helped. I had tried a few different bicycle mounted mirrors... but they seemed to get out of whack or be vibrating badly when needed. |
I used to use take a look went to this https://www.facebook.com/pages/Stead...69220889783608 about 5 years ago. I clip it to the visa of my helmet.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
(Post 16522957)
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Looks like this without the red part. I just zip-tied it to one of the vent slots on the left side of my helmet. http://contentinfo.autozone.com/znet...25195/image/4/ |
Originally Posted by greaterbrown
(Post 16518023)
… Unfortunately, if a car is going to hit you from behind, there really isn't much you can do about it. As Slan observes, the mirror view of a car approaching quickly from behind distracts from what is in front and to the side of me- the very stuff I CAN make maneuvers to avoid.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16521841)
… In June of 2012 I was hit from behind (while wearing a mirror) and was in the hospital for six weeks. I did not see it coming in my mirror, perhaps because I was on a wide, lightly traveled, low-speed-limit residential road. Perhaps I may have been able to bail out, but If I had seen it, I surely would be traumatized with PTSD. Maybe I might have stiffened up and suffered more damage.
I have confidently resumed my commuting because, even as before the acccident, I am much more secure with my rearview mirrors.
Furthermore, I'm usually monitoring traffic behind me to minimize surprises.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16262577)
…I regularly though not excessively monitor the traffic behind me and I’m usually aware of the situation, including my usual blind spot with the mirror. I determine that blind spot to be about, say 8 feet wide and about 20 feet long, to my immediate left and behind.
Jim’s Law of the Road: “No matter how well-paved or lightly-traveled the Road, a vehicle is likely to pass on the left as you encounter an obstacle on the right.” |
Originally Posted by Slaninar
(Post 16516971)
I use mirrors in car, and on motorcycle often. Couldn't drive without them. On the bicycle: I took my mirror OFF. Why? Because it scared me. Cars drive as if they're going to hit me, then swerve in the last couple of meters. Normal driving habits in my city. Bicycle is too slow to do anything at that speed difference. Not enough time to even get off the road in time. So all mirror did was make me scared, uncomfortable. Not sure if I explained it right.
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16538505)
The chance that an upcoming car is coming to hit you, as you approach an obstacle is much much less than the chance that you are approaching an obstacle, and have no idea what’s coming up from behind, especially on a heavily traveled, perhaps narrow road. Without a mirror one can:
Furthermore, I'm usually monitoring traffic behind me to minimize surprises. If there was a digital camera showing me a full and complete view of what's behind me on a handlebar monitor, I believe I would not use it for the same reason. (BTW: I, like you, was hit from behind and did see it in my mirror. Luckily, I was not hurt badly. Your point about PTSD, may explain my wanting to remove that mirror. :() |
Originally Posted by greaterbrown
(Post 16538598)
Jim, I think we're mostly in agreement on +/-'s of using mirrors. My point was to admit that I find the mirror's information limited and distracting. YMMV, of course.
If there was a digital camera showing me a full and complete view of what's behind me on a handlebar monitor, I believe I would not use it for the same reason. (BTW: I, like you, was hit from behind and did see it in my mirror. Luckily, I was not hurt badly. Your point about PTSD, may explain my wanting to remove that mirror. :()
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16532795)
...I've gone down on about four serious falls without injuries from the mirror...
And another thing...one advantage of helmet and eyeglass mirrors over handebar and frame-mounted ones is to allow you to change riding position, like standing on the pedals, without losing rearward vision. |
What are your opinions on rear-facing cameras? Ever tried one?
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16538904)
Thanks for your reply, but IMO using a mirror is a ++++/-0.001 situation (-0.001 = the risk of eye injury in a fall, with an eyeglass mounted mirror).
It may well be that I find the use of a rearview mirror to be second nature with a totally adequate field of view. Occasionally subscribers post to mirror threads that they can't get the hang of it. If you do have to concentrate on using a mirror, indeed that may be distracting, but I would recommend practicing under otherwise safe conditions. And another thing...one advantage of helmet and eyeglass mirrors over handlebar and frame-mounted ones is to allow you to change riding position, like standing on the pedals, without losing rearward vision. These http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=366618 give an adequate view with the right glasses, after you get used to them. I can't get used to the blocked spot in peripheral vision though. I'll bet that the normal helmet mounted mirrors have the same issue. I'm going to give this a shot. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=366619 No risk of eye injury, no blocking of vision!
Originally Posted by greaterbrown
(Post 16538949)
What are your opinions on rear-facing cameras? Ever tried one?
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Originally Posted by greaterbrown
(Post 16538949)
What are your opinions on rear-facing cameras? Ever tried one?
I have seen threads about using a camera to record incidents, and it seems they don't always capture the incident, or identifying characteristics of the offender reliably. FWIW. |
Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
(Post 16538570)
You should be scared and it's going to help keep you from serious injury. Removing the mirror only masks the danger and does not make it safer. What should make you scared is the sound of fast moving engine right behind you and not having a clue as to what the driver is doing. That scares me alot more.
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Originally Posted by Slaninar
(Post 16516971)
...On the bicycle: I took my mirror OFF. Why? Because it scared me. Cars drive as if they're going to hit me, then swerve in the last couple of meters...So all mirror did was make me scared, uncomfortable. Not sure if I explained it right.
I think that likely in every cyclist’s mind while riding on the road there is that subtle, perhaps unconscious apprehension that a car can impact from behind, particularly with the newest added danger of texting. So knowing that everything is free and clear behind you allows you to enjoy the ride more. |
In the mid 70’s I worked nights in downtown Milwaukee, 5 pm to 12:45 am. I wore a glasses mounted mirror, as I was riding home at 1 in the morning I noticed a pickup coming off a side street and it started following me. As it got closer it started getting closer to the side of the road nearer to me. I noticed a spot up ahead where I could pull in between parked cars and pulled in as it passed me.
When it went by a guy was leaning out the window hanging onto the side mirror with a baseball bat in his hand. Luckily they just kept going. I will never ride without a mirror. |
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16540552)
While riding a narrow, moderately busy road, I glanced at my mirror and saw no traffic behind me for a stretch of several hundred yards. I suddenly realized that I had a temporary respite from traffic and my level of bliss while cycling was transiently tweaked to a higher-level with that reassurance.
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Originally Posted by curly666
(Post 16540678)
In the mid 70’s I worked nights in downtown Milwaukee, 5 pm to 12:45 am. I wore a glasses mounted mirror, as I was riding home at 1 in the morning I noticed a pickup coming off a side street and it started following me. As it got closer it started getting closer to the side of the road nearer to me. I noticed a spot up ahead where I could pull in between parked cars and pulled in as it passed me.
When it went by a guy was leaning out the window hanging onto the side mirror with a baseball bat in his hand. Luckily they just kept going. I will never ride without a mirror. |
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