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To My Winter Brethren
I wrote this after an interesting encounter on my ride home tonight.
Maybe it will make sense to someone other than me. To my winter brethren are we so Great in number that No look No nod No smile No wink of recognition should pass between us? I see You a phosphorescent patch of yellow against a setting sun Your tempo matching mine quick pulse with each revolution stoic shoulders to the northwest wind I lean in thighs pressing down A rounded staccato beat just a hair faster now You, my double, my twin unbeknownst pursued a steel steed gliding over ice what is Your story who are You why are You too rolling along over white a dose of warmth wrapped in fibre layers I pull within a grasp our carbide tips rat a tatting on frozen chalk marked pavement tracking straight across gnarled marble pathways to our huddled homes ready to reward our ride "Evening", says I Not quite But almost or t'will be soon enough I have miles to go before I sleep And You eyes set hard against the wind Nothing The reply is empty perhaps some enchanted song Lies under that muffled headdress (so like my own) some ear plugged accompaniment my eyes search for yours swaddled like a bedouin prince a narrow gap in black framing determined orbs in the fading light of dusk they catch a moment are You like Me a look a nod a smile a wink of recognition unreturned Nothing in this land of zeros no heat now warmed by the chase and the effort to pull away left chilled You are that me in dependent s e p e r a t e That sees no likeness in a mirror of ice A cold shoulder to an even colder world are we so Great in number that No look No nod No smile No wink of recognition should pass between us? |
Interesting. I've felt kinship (I guess you would call it) with other riders, and have greeted them and been ignored. But just as many times I've been greeted in return. Cyclists are just people :)
EDIT: Nice poem, BTW. You expressed your thoughts very well. |
I see the same two people almost every day. Fortunately, they say hello and we even have exchanged names. Nothing like 30 below zerex and icy paths to build a bond. Great poem!
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It is now March, and thank goodness for that. It means we won't have any more February snow storms this year.
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Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 16539066)
It is now March, and thank goodness for that. It means we won't have any more February snow storms this year.
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Originally Posted by buzzman
(Post 16537149)
I wrote this after an interesting encounter on my ride home tonight.
are we so Great in number that No look No nod No smile No wink of recognition should pass between us?... "Evening", says I Not quite But almost or t'will be soon enough I have miles to go before I sleep And You eyes set hard against the wind Nothing The reply is empty perhaps some enchanted song Lies under that muffled headdress (so like my own) some ear plugged accompaniment... are You like Me a look a nod a smile a wink of recognition unreturned Nothing are we so Great in number that No look No nod No smile No wink of recognition should pass between us?
Originally Posted by buzzman
(Post 16537149)
…Maybe it will make sense to someone other than me.
Originally Posted by buzzman
(Post 16537193)
… like tsl I am, for the most part, totally digging this winter….
But tonight it was another cyclist who momentarily flattened the wind in my sails. I'm chalking it up to another one of winter's challenges and embracing it but still... I’m sure you’re aware, buzz, that there have been occasional threads about greetings between cyclists, probably referrable to nice weather riding. The most recent to which I replied was “Greetings to/from other cyclists”:
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16106278)
I too have had several routine greeting encounters on my early morning commute over the years, and I have even learned some of their names when I have met them, usually other than on the commute…
If I don't know their names, I give them nicknames…It's always going to be a good day when I pass a runner going in the opposite direction known as the "The Fleet Goddess." :D
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16106041)
It's variable depending on the circumstances, but mostly I do. I have two special greetings besides a finger or hand wave. My most perfunctory is just to yell out a hearty "Yo," or "Ho" with no expectation of a reply if the other rider declines…
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16106101)
A few weeks ago on the Wall Street Journal this Morning radio talk show was a discussion about greetings among runners and cyclists out on the roads.The point I remember and seemed the strongest argument for a mutual greeting was to acknowledge each other as particularly vulnerable users of the road.
Originally Posted by buzzman
(Post 8128373)
Winter cyclists are definitely marching to the beat of a different drummer.;)
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On very cold winter days when I come across another cyclist there are often gestures of mutual respect exchanged.
On not so cold winter days there is this dude that keeps riding by me like I'm standing still. Last time he said "Hello" as he went by and I said "Good Morning" in return. Next time he rides by, I'd like to push him over with my foot. We're all brethren until the commuter race starts. |
Originally Posted by buzzman
(Post 16537149)
I wrote this after an interesting encounter on my ride home tonight.
To my winter brethren… "Evening", says I… And You eyes set hard against the wind Nothing The reply is empty…
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16106101)
… the strongest argument for a mutual greeting was to acknowledge each other as particularly vulnerable users of the road.
Originally Posted by alan s
(Post 16106128)
I disagree. Nothing to do with vulnerability on the road. Waving is an indication that you are a member of an elite, secret subculture. Which is why I usually don't wave.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16539175)
… I certainly do agree that we cold weather cyclists are a special fraternity of brethren…
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Probably didn't hear you, and if he did, was too damned cold to reply. Some really cold rides are to be endured or survived, and aren't so much fun. I never assume someone else is in the same frame of mind as I am.
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Originally Posted by tjspiel
(Post 16539903)
We're all brethren until the commuter race starts.
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16541701)
I would never claim to be PC, but as a self-proclaimed wordsmith, I was trying to figure a nongender specific term for "Bretheren.” :D
This was an experience about another person who dressed like me, had a bike like mine, looked like me, was a similar age and was of the same gender. That they were riding home from Boston on a very cold February evening at dusk across an open landscape where I see so few other cyclists made it all the more interesting to me. Like tsl in another thread I happen to find these winter rides exhilarating- otherwise, why do them? Does this distinction make us, as alan s says, "a member of an elite, secret subculture."? Recently I was out in a very remote region cross country skiing. It was stunningly majestic. Out of nowhere suddenly coming towards me was another skier. He was roughly my age, my height and build, similarly equipped and as he approached I wondered if there would be an exchange of greeting at all. It was the kind of challenging terrain that can leave you breathless from both its beauty and its changes in altitude. As it was we simultaneously stopped and I blurted out a "How ya' doin?". To which he replied the obvious, "Blissed out. How 'bout you?". "Exactly the same.", came my reply. We took the time for a brief chat, where he discovered that I was the same guy he sees doing the steep climb on my bike that leads to our hidden little town and the vast expanse of forest in which we found ourselves. (How he figured that out I have no idea.) It was the kind of small, simple exchange that has a resonance and a meaning for me. If I wished to be shielded from such encounters I would choose to travel by car or snowmobile, encased in steel or wrapped in a helmet with a plastic visor moving at higher speeds. Separated from my environment and my fellow travelers. At the same time, I recognize that not every one who chooses to bike in the winter or travel in remote regions under their own power when the temperature is below zero wants any connection with a fellow traveler and I do respect that choice. I have no desire to impose sociability in a situation where an individual might very well wish to be as far from the madding crowd as possible. I saw as much of myself in the other rider's non-response as I might have had he engaged in conversation. "You are that me in dependent s e p e r a t e That sees no likeness in a mirror of ice A cold shoulder to an even colder world" and yes, BTW, Jim, I do think "you got it." |
I'm just another schmuck out there going to or from work. Don't view myself as special because I'm on a bike. The real troopers are the folks who have the patience to endure the traffic around here in a car. Always amused that some people think I'm some kind of superhuman, able to survive the extremes of the outdoors. The reality is bike commuting is a welcome break from being indoors or in a car, and makes me feel alive. BTW, nice poem.
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Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 16539066)
It is now March, and thank goodness for that. It means we won't have any more February snow storms this year.
To quote Homer J. "Lousy Smarch weather!" |
Originally Posted by tjspiel
(Post 16539903)
On very cold winter days when I come across another cyclist there are often gestures of mutual respect exchanged.
On not so cold winter days there is this dude that keeps riding by me like I'm standing still. Last time he said "Hello" as he went by and I said "Good Morning" in return. Next time he rides by, I'd like to push him over with my foot. We're all brethren until the commuter race starts. I think he said hello to me, though it was hard to tell, what with the Doppler effect and all. |
I lean in thighs pressing down
A rounded staccato beat just a hair faster now OP you just supported my theory that anytime there are two cyclists going the same direction there is a bike race. Whether they both know it or not is another issue. |
Originally Posted by alan s
(Post 16542491)
I'm just another schmuck out there going to or from work. Don't view myself as special because I'm on a bike. The real troopers are the folks who have the patience to endure the traffic around here in a car. Always amused that some people think I'm some kind of superhuman, able to survive the extremes of the outdoors. The reality is bike commuting is a welcome break from being indoors or in a car, and makes me feel alive. BTW, nice poem.
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Originally Posted by alan s
(Post 16542491)
I'm just another schmuck out there going to or from work. Don't view myself as special because I'm on a bike. The real troopers are the folks who have the patience to endure the traffic around here in a car. Always amused that some people think I'm some kind of superhuman, able to survive the extremes of the outdoors. The reality is bike commuting is a welcome break from being indoors or in a car, and makes me feel alive. BTW, nice poem.
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Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 16541762)
Don't be such a sourpuss. Some people just ride fast and don't mean to show off. I bet some people think I'm trying to make them feel bad. I just ride faster than most do. That's all.
Now if he were to fall of his own accord... Well, there's not much I would be able to do about that. ;) |
My humor detector is often defective.
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16541701)
I would never claim to be PC, but as a self-proclaimed wordsmith, I was trying to figure a nongender specific term for "Brethren.” :D
Originally Posted by buzzman
(Post 16542120)
"Brethren" in an informal context can simply mean any person (of either gender) belonging to a particular group- especially when used ironically or humorously.
Originally Posted by buzzman
(Post 16542120)
… BTW, Jim, I do think "you got it."…
It was the kind of small, simple exchange that has a resonance and a meaning for me. If I wished to be shielded from such encounters I would choose to travel by car or snowmobile, encased in steel or wrapped in a helmet with a plastic visor moving at higher speeds. Separated from my environment and my fellow travelers.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16106278)
I too have had several routine greeting encounters on my early morning commute over the years, and I have even learned some of their names when I have met them, usually other than on the commute…
If I don't know their names, I give them nicknames…
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16106041)
…I have two special greetings besides a finger or hand wave. My most perfunctory is just to yell out a hearty "Yo," or "Ho" with no expectation of a reply if the other rider declines.
When I have the chance to meet up and speak to a "serious" cyclist," I like to mention about Bikeforums, since I am an avid fan as a self-described serious cyclist myself. These exchanges are often brief, and it's hard to explain BF, and its varied subforums quickly to a total stranger; and the URL of Bikeforums.net. as a plural, and .net instead of .com as the domain name can easily be forgotten. So I made up some business-type greeting cards as illustrated…[see link for further details if interested.] |
Originally Posted by buzzman
(Post 16542120)
"Brethren" in an informal context can simply mean any person (of either gender) belonging to a particular group- especially when used ironically or humorously. In a more formal context it can mean a fellow pilgrim on a spiritual journey, usually male. I'm using it as a bit of both.
This was an experience about another person who dressed like me, had a bike like mine, looked like me, was a similar age and was of the same gender. That they were riding home from Boston on a very cold February evening at dusk across an open landscape where I see so few other cyclists made it all the more interesting to me. Like tsl in another thread I happen to find these winter rides exhilarating- otherwise, why do them? Does this distinction make us, as alan s says, "a member of an elite, secret subculture."? Recently I was out in a very remote region cross country skiing. It was stunningly majestic. Out of nowhere suddenly coming towards me was another skier. He was roughly my age, my height and build, similarly equipped and as he approached I wondered if there would be an exchange of greeting at all. It was the kind of challenging terrain that can leave you breathless from both its beauty and its changes in altitude. As it was we simultaneously stopped and I blurted out a "How ya' doin?". To which he replied the obvious, "Blissed out. How 'bout you?". "Exactly the same.", came my reply. We took the time for a brief chat, where he discovered that I was the same guy he sees doing the steep climb on my bike that leads to our hidden little town and the vast expanse of forest in which we found ourselves. (How he figured that out I have no idea.) It was the kind of small, simple exchange that has a resonance and a meaning for me. If I wished to be shielded from such encounters I would choose to travel by car or snowmobile, encased in steel or wrapped in a helmet with a plastic visor moving at higher speeds. Separated from my environment and my fellow travelers. At the same time, I recognize that not every one who chooses to bike in the winter or travel in remote regions under their own power when the temperature is below zero wants any connection with a fellow traveler and I do respect that choice. I have no desire to impose sociability in a situation where an individual might very well wish to be as far from the madding crowd as possible. I saw as much of myself in the other rider's non-response as I might have had he engaged in conversation. "You are that me in dependent s e p e r a t e That sees no likeness in a mirror of ice A cold shoulder to an even colder world" and yes, BTW, Jim, I do think "you got it." Very cold days are a little different and I'll often find myself counting the number of other bikes I see. |
I think either Friday or Saturday evening I was on my way out for a pint and saw two people on mountain bikes coming up the hill toward me, it was 12F. As I passed they gave me a hand wave, but since I was kinda surprised anyone else was out I wasn't ready to wave back.
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Originally Posted by tjspiel
(Post 16544377)
FWIW, I'm often lost in my own little world while on my commute. Though I wouldn't deliberately ignore a greeting from another cyclist (my mother raised me better than that), it's very real possibility that a bike wouldn't register as anything more than another (moving) obstacle to be avoided...but for the most part I see my commute as a twice a day retreat into my head and/or a chance to get in a work out rather than as an opportunity for a social encounter...
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
(Post 16528069)
...My early morning dark commute is from about November til March, and other than the cold weather, I enjoy the dark commute. The auto traffic is markedly diminished, particularly in my reverse commute direction from downtown to a suburb. I hunker down in my mind in a state I call "cocooning," and become oblivious to everything but the Road and my thoughts. Also because it's dark, I can't tell how gloomy the sky might be, unlike in the dawn's early light. :rolleyes:
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Interesting post. I am very much an introvert. I don't talk much, I'm nothing like my wife who greets just about everyone when we're out riding and can make new friends anywhere. Me, I just tend toward ignoring everybody and feeling lots of distance and a degree of arrogance and animosity. But I don't think I'm much different from most guys who like to ride bikes, and I think this distance and arrogance is just a reflection of the vibes I get from most guys I see out riding. I'm sure that if I knew the guy who was going by, I'd be quite friendly and open, but for most guys I don't know, my attitude is just "f- off!" under my breath! Bike commuting tends to be quite competitive for those who are just naturally socially insecure, at least that's my experience, so this is something that those who tend to be more social need to understand. I and lots of other guys ride bikes because we're too socially dysfunctional to join sports teams. We hate everybody; we don't like greeting anybody, unless we know them, and by the time recognition sets in, it's too late, they're way down the road in the other direction!
So that's my excuse for not responding to your cheery wave. It's not personal! Luis |
Originally Posted by lhbernhardt
(Post 16548027)
Interesting post. I am very much an introvert. I don't talk much, I'm nothing like my wife who greets just about everyone when we're out riding and can make new friends anywhere. Me, I just tend toward ignoring everybody and feeling lots of distance and a degree of arrogance and animosity. But I don't think I'm much different from most guys who like to ride bikes, and I think this distance and arrogance is just a reflection of the vibes I get from most guys I see out riding. I'm sure that if I knew the guy who was going by, I'd be quite friendly and open, but for most guys I don't know, my attitude is just "f- off!" under my breath! Bike commuting tends to be quite competitive for those who are just naturally socially insecure, at least that's my experience, so this is something that those who tend to be more social need to understand. I and lots of other guys ride bikes because we're too socially dysfunctional to join sports teams. We hate everybody; we don't like greeting anybody, unless we know them, and by the time recognition sets in, it's too late, they're way down the road in the other direction!
So that's my excuse for not responding to your cheery wave. It's not personal! Luis I don't feel any animosity towards other riders (or drivers for that matter) unless they've done something dangerous or were just plain rude. |
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