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Originally Posted by Slaninar
(Post 16567951)
Flashing light makes it much more difficult to judge speed and distance. But it does draw some more attention.
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[QUTOE]I think I'm going to put some reflective something or other on my spokes. I think I should be able to do it on racing bikes without adding significant weight or making the bike look Fredly. If I just wrap a few spokes with tape, it will be inconspicuous in the day.[/QUOTE]
I've used these for years. Lightweight Safety Ltd They'll do what you want. |
Originally Posted by no motor?
(Post 16573613)
[QUTOE]I think I'm going to put some reflective something or other on my spokes. I think I should be able to do it on racing bikes without adding significant weight or making the bike look Fredly. If I just wrap a few spokes with tape, it will be inconspicuous in the day.
+1 Have installed these on all our bikes. Lightweights for Wheels Power Reflectors at REI.com |
Being both a cyclist, driver, and pedestrian, and passing/being passed by bikes in all modes of tranportation - here are my thoughts.
1. A flashing light in the DAYLIGHT is more noticeable then a steady light. A steady light is more noticeable then no light. While a very bright flashing light might be most noticeable, they also are the most distracting and make judging distance harder. Many of these 700+ lumen lights are basically obnoxious in flash mode. To bad more don't have a pulse mode or low power flash setting. 2. At night I think a bright steady head light is almost as noticeable as a flashing one, and MUCH less disorienting/distracting. 3. A combination of a bright steady light headlight and a less powerful blinking light can be very effective to get attention without being obnoxious. 4. A blinking red light is definitely more noticeable in a bright/busy environment, day or night, but if close at night can be distracting and makes judging distance harder. Some of the rapid/uneven flashing patterns are very attention grabbing. A Solid red light, if bright enough, seems fine in a darker area with less lights to compete with at night. A "Pulsing" red light is a good in between option and helps be noticed while still making judging distance easier 5. A combo of a blinking and solid tail light could be another effective combo Generally I use "steady" in my front except in daylight or dawn/dusk when I likely use one steady one flashing. I typically use flashing in the rear day or night. |
I have nice feature on my new cygolite metro. In addition to high, low, and blink, it has a what I would call pulse. In the high setting, it does a noticeable flicker. Not as annoying as a blink, but visible.
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You know... it just might be that flashing lights do not allow an approaching or overtaking motorist to accurately judge your speed and direction... it doesn't matter. It does not matter! It's interesting: for decades we rode with steady 0.6W incandescent bulb tail lights. A few riders argued that those were fine because, well, that's what what the technology limit allowed so by definition they were fine - and besides, they'd never been killed (yet) - but most of us knew six tenths of one watt incandescent bulbs were woefully inadequate for our safety. Quite suddenly in the history of cycling, advances in LED and battery technology allow today's cyclists to easily mount anything from CPSC reflectors to retina-searing, seizure-inducing "don't make a fool of yourself claiming you didn't see THIS" lights. But what's optimum for safety? I don't think that question has been answered yet. Do we really believe that point sources are the best for safety, or are we just willing to trade safety away for tiny, lightweight lamps with inexpensive optics? Do we really think that narrow cone illumination tail lamps are best, or are we just impressed at the numbers they generate in brightness tests? Is brighter always better? Flashing saves battery life and allows a smaller, dimmer light appear to be as 'noticeable' as a larger, steady light. Is there a down side, and if so, is it big enough to be meaningful? Is there an optimum 'flash'? If rear facing amber turn signals and running lights are legal on motor vehicles, why can't we move to brighter, more visible amber bicycle tail lamps (and reflectors) whose light will travel further through fog, rain and snow? (There's some small evidence that impaired drivers aren't as attracted to amber.) |
Found this recently on Flashing vs steady lights. One of the responses references some research, one of which is actualy related to snowplows, but still has some relevance.
headlights - Safety data: Which is safer, head/tail lights which blink or emit a steady beam? - Bicycles Stack Exchange Ultimately I think I will try to have a steady and a flashing light on my bike, spaced apart a bit if possible, to cover all my bases. |
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370246During the day I run top two flashing, at night depends on much traffic and where I am.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370247On the back two steady and one flashing. |
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An idea that will give cagers some depth perception and a greater ability to judge the distance is to use two lights, both front and rear, whether flashing or not. With a single light, it would be more difficult to judge the distance, but with duals it gives them a little depth perception. I place my "duals" both front and rear about 12" apart. File this post under the heading FWIW - -
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Originally Posted by CrankyOne
(Post 16572965)
Given how many times I've wanted to strangle people with bright flashing lights, and that The Netherlands and other countries have gone to non-flashing, and the difficulty I've had judging a bicyclists distance when I'm driving and they're flashing (and none have been very sexy), and how many times I've wanted to strangle people with bright flashing lights, and how much I hate people with bright flashing lights, I never use flashing lights.
And, it sounds like there will be a bill in our house this session to outlaw them due to the complaints from drivers. That said, possibly having a fairly bright steady red in the back with a much dimmer flashing red might provide enough alert to motorists without them wanting to strangle you. Similar for the front. I think reflectors are key. My Marathon's have reflective sidewalls, red on the rear rack, white towards the front, and yellow on both sides of both pedals does a great job of screaming to motorists that I'm there and riding a bicycle. Bike bullies: Turn off those blinking lights! | Crosscut.com Why Flashing Bicycle Headlights are a BAD Idea |
Originally Posted by Lex Fati
(Post 16601450)
I stick with steady lights. There's enough animosity toward cyclists already.
Bike bullies: Turn off those blinking lights! | Crosscut.com Why Flashing Bicycle Headlights are a BAD Idea |
Originally Posted by Lex Fati
(Post 16601450)
I stick with steady lights. There's enough animosity toward cyclists already.
Bike bullies: Turn off those blinking lights! | Crosscut.com Why Flashing Bicycle Headlights are a BAD Idea With the exception of the noted arguable point, I'm totally in agreement with this statement! |
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Originally Posted by Paramount1973
(Post 16602443)
As long as motorists can run us down and get off scott free by claiming they did not see us, I will make sure they can see me. That doesn't mean a 700 lumen headlight on blinky mode, but I do run a 60-70 lumen head light set on blinking as a 'be seen' light. The 'see where I'm going' lights are a tactical 350 lumen flashlight and a Fenix BT-10, also 350 lumens.
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I use the flash mode on the headlight during the day only, taillight always, aiming the headlight so it's not directly in people's eyes.
I drive for a living, and am not bothered at all by the flashing lights I see other cyclists using; it would bother me at night however. Due to living in a temperate Rainforest, the lush vegetation can make seeing cyclists, or dark coloured cars difficult, even a sunny day as one's eyes adjust from bright light to shadow. |
Originally Posted by Lex Fati
(Post 16601450)
I stick with steady lights. There's enough animosity toward cyclists already.
Bike bullies: Turn off those blinking lights! | Crosscut.com Why Flashing Bicycle Headlights are a BAD Idea |
Why is there so much controversy, ignorance and obstinacy on this issue? Its a good thing that the DOT mandates things for motorists because lots of you would put your families at risk because you don't personally believe in headlights for automobiles because that would make it easier for other drivers to see you and hit you. I don't even remember if I have stated my own POV on this, and I'm not going to bother. All I'm saying is whatever POV you have, it should come from a place of information, peer review and some sort of scientific basis. Your personal peccadillo's, fancy or preference should not enter into it! Criminy, is that really such a hard concept to get ones head around? Educate yourselves, and then when you argue your POV here, you won't sound like a moron! Because some of you do.
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Originally Posted by curly666
(Post 16600613)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=370246During the day I run top two flashing, at night depends on much traffic and where I am.
The only POV I care about is what the drivers at the grocery store tell me. Not the first negative, bunches of positives. They don't know anything about bikes except that they can see mine. One guy said "There otta be law makin' folks use them lights. I saw ya before I damn near ran over ya." It will take a lot to get me to run mine steady. |
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