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NOS88 03-13-14 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Papa Tom (Post 16573454)
+1. I work in a building that houses a senior citizens program, so I hang around with 80 and 90-year old people all day long. These are some of the purest people I know, as they don't give a rat's behind about anything other people think of them. That said, they are some of my favorite people and best friends because of it.

My work situation is very similar. We rent office space on the second floor of a building owned by a senior center. At 62 I'm considered the young guy. They'll let you know what they think of your pretty quickly, and not in a mean or demeaning way. They're just pretty straightforward with things. When a few of them first saw be commuting by bike there was concern that I might not be making enough money to own a car. It was a sincere concern. When they later saw that I commute using four different bikes, some were fascinated and wanted to know what made each bike different. Others simply said, you're nuts. But like I said, very straightforward.

turky lurkey 03-13-14 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by dbikingman (Post 16569761)
Good post, but you'll want to say it with fewer words eventually. :p

rude

Jim from Boston 03-13-14 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by dbikingman (Post 16569761)
Good post, but you'll want to say it with fewer words eventually. :p

Originally Posted by WonderMonkey (Post 16569847)
Nice.

Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan (Post 16570000)
funny...

Originally Posted by turky lurkey (Post 16573534)
rude




This reply is off-topic to the thread, but this particular post and replies above struck a chord with me. I had recently sent this PM to a fellow BF subscriber:


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
…As I have previously mentioned, I enjoy posting, particularly publicly to Bike Forums, as well PM’s. …I've often thought, that this is perhaps a wonky pursuit, but I enjoy it.

I’m occasionally self-conscious when I consider the length of my posts, especially when so many write pithy posts, but recently I sent this PM to a favorite Bike Forum subscriber:


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
Man, and I thought I wrote long posts!


To wit, that thread included this post:


Originally Posted by turbo1889 (Post 16278828)
...First of all you have no need to apologize for a lengthy post, least of all to me of all people. Part of the reason I like forums as apposed to other forms of written communal internet forms is because I consider it the "long deep conversation format" rather then the quick short snappy sound bite like format like twitter and such...

Okay, huge post, got to go to bed now.

turbo 1889 stated well a major attraction of BF for me. As an avid cyclist I was delighted to find the Forums, where I could chat with other like-minded cyclists at length about seemingly arcane subjects of interest only to cyclists.

There was a thread on Fifty-plus last summer that discussed, ”How Do You Communicate on Forums vs Face-to-Face”:


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
Personally, I tend to write long posts because for me writing is an avocation, and even a craft (wordsmithing). So other than a quip, if I'm motivated to reply to a thread, it means enough to me to express myself as completely and clearly as possible, with style. I would hope that the reader would find my message interesting and/or informative. Even if not, the process of putting my thoughts in print in a well-composed post is its own reward. You be the judge. :innocent:


Originally Posted by DGlenday
I try to keep my posts as short as possible.

I don't have the time or patience to read long posts and tend to skim them. I know that doesn't do justice to the writer, but I'd be here all day if I were to read every long post properly.

I assume others have the same time constraints - so to (try to) make my posts easy to read:
- I keep 'em short, and
- I use many paragraph breaks.


Originally Posted by Frankfast
+1 Forums for me are just like fast food. If I want something healthy, I'll read some good fiction.




Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
Thanks for reading my (long) post, and your considered reply. As a Famous Writer wrote, “If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter.”

For me, the art of composition is to make my posts easy to read, particularly if they are “long,” Paragraph breaks are certainly key tool to do that-- seven lines maximum. I would suggest that three such paragraphs would constitute a “long” post, excluding textbox quotations.

That thread was closed soon after I critiqued a long post by paragraphing it, with the comment:


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
Here's my interpretation, paragraphed only:…


Originally Posted by (I’ll keep it anonymous)
I wouldn't spend near as much time with you in person, let alone stop for paragraphs. ****, I might even let go of punctuation in person, except when you feel the heel of my boot hit your chin.

:eek:


CrankyOne 03-13-14 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by FedericoMena (Post 16569631)
The guy who owns the LBS I favor built my bike. It's a rigid MTB to which I added a rack and fenders.

I like the guy. He's 82 years old, a former bike racer, and very experienced in all matters mechanical. It's by far the best bike repair shop in town - not the flashiest one, but the kind of shop where you know real work gets done. ...

I think I'd come up with stuff that needed to be fixed just to sit an listen occasionally (and maybe give him a few fun needles). Sounds like a very very cool dude. Chaadster nailed it—Respect! I hope I'm doing so well when I'm 82.

FedericoMena 03-13-14 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by CrankyOne (Post 16573612)
I think I'd come up with stuff that needed to be fixed just to sit an listen occasionally (and maybe give him a few fun needles). Sounds like a very very cool dude. Chaadster nailed it—Respect! I hope I'm doing so well when I'm 82.

Haha, that's exactly what I've been doing! If I have some extra energy when I'm downtown (200m climb from home to downtown; an extra 50m to the bike shop), I'll swing by and talk to him. He's told me about the way his racers played games on each other, to the proper way to sweep a floor, to how people just don't carry themselves well anymore while holding onto the straps of the bus.

He's generous to a fault if you appreciate his workmanship and his workshop - so far he's given me a basket for my daughter's bike, two kickstands, a rack, and odds and ends for free. If something has been sitting in his shop gathering dust, and you promise to clean it and rehab it, he'll give it to you, probably.

His son and him ride once or twice a month to Veracruz (must be around 120 Km). I want to join them some day; it has to be good therapy to get crushed on hills by an "old person".

I do my best to drive business to his shop - it's a great resource to have here.

noglider 03-13-14 02:49 PM

NOS88, that's a great story. So sweet. And it makes the point well about Federico's mechanic. The style is annoying, but he probably means well. It's not so much that he's criticizing you, Federico. He's trying to help. Sure, it's advice you don't want, but see it as a charming quirk. At his age, you know he's not going to change. It won't be too long before this guy is just a fine memory, so be easy on him, and take his love as it comes.

How do you say uh-huh in Spanish?

GhostSS, I love that scene in that movie! I will always have that in my memory, and it's my favorite scene in a bike movie. And yes, it fit's Federico's mechanic to a T. Federico, you should see that movie, as should everyone else.

RPK79 03-13-14 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16575165)
you should see that movie, as should everyone else.

If it wasn't a French film I would totally watch it, but I don't like to read my movies.

rebel1916 03-13-14 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by jim from boston (Post 16573547)
this reply is off-topic to the thread, but this particular post and replies above struck a chord with me. I had recently sent this pm to a fellow bf subscriber:



To wit, that thread included this post:



turbo 1889 stated well a major attraction of bf for me. As an avid cyclist i was delighted to find the forums, where i could chat with other like-minded cyclists at length about seemingly arcane subjects of interest only to cyclists.

There was a thread on fifty-plus last summer that discussed, ”how do you communicate on forums vs face-to-face”:




That thread was closed soon after i critiqued a long post by paragraphing it, with the comment:

tl;dr

Jim from Boston 03-13-14 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by rebel1916 (Post 16575243)
tl;dr

Say what?

rebel1916 03-13-14 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 16575529)
Say what?

Forum speak for "too long;didn't read".

FBinNY 03-13-14 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by FedericoMena (Post 16569631)
The guy who owns the LBS I favor built my bike. It's a rigid MTB to which I added a rack and fenders.

I like the guy. He's 82 years old, a former bike racer, and very experienced in all matters mechanical. It's by far the best bike repair shop in town - not the flashiest one, but the kind of shop where you know real work gets done....

You're in Veracruz, MX. There are so few good bike shops capable of working on serious bicycles in the entire country, that you should thank God that one is close to you. Consider the lectures as you would the husks on corn as something to put up with to get to the good inside.

In your shoes, I'd do whatever I could to make sure nothing happens to this guy. Consider your remaining options when he's gone.

Jim from Boston 03-13-14 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by rebel1916 (Post 16575243)
tl;dr


Originally Posted by rebel1916 (Post 16575687)
Forum speak for "too long;didn't read".


Good to know (gtk?).


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 16309657)

Originally Posted by Dudelsack (Post 16309122)
…this is my favorite (NSFW because of bad language) rant ever:..


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 16309657)
I couldn’t get into that link…

I just looked up NSFW (“Not safe for work”); I had tried to open that link while at work. :lol:



PS (post script): Why reply to a post you did not read?

alan s 03-13-14 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by rebel1916 (Post 16575687)
Forum speak for "too long;didn't read".

Any post longer than 3-4 sentences is too long. If you can't get to the point quickly, you probably never will, so why read on?


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