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Close and fast passing of cyclists by motorists can be dangerous. Cyclists can fall, swerve or suddenly leave their path at almost any time, because of losing their balance (usually only when moving slowly uphill), but mostly in order to avoid some kind of unexpected obstacle (like a piece of debris, or a hole or crack in the road).
In any case, if a motorist happens to be closely passing a cyclist right before he or she swerves or falls to the left, the results can be catastrophic. So, it's helpful to know what to do to discourage close passing, and to encourage motorists to slow down as they pass. Bike lanes don't help, and actually often exacerbate the situation, by giving the passing motorist a false sense of confidence that the cyclist will stay in his lane, thus alleviating him from feeling the need to slow down and/or move left. In another thread, the contention was made that motorists don't slow down for anything these days. I disagreed, because they slow down for me, after I learned how to get them to slow down. One of the surprise side benefits of using a mirror is learning how to control passing motorists in terms of slowing them down and getting them to move left. Tools that I use to slow motorists down and get them to move left include:
Anyone else got any other tips? What do you do to cause motorists to slow down and move left as they pass you? |
I don't care as much if motorists slow down when passing me as long as they pass with appropriate distance for the speed differential (i.e. more distance with increasing speed)
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I object on principle to bicylists being regarded as traffic calming devices, sort of like human speed bumps. Of course, this is the way things often work in the real world, and Serge is actually suggesting that bicyclists actively engage in such traffic calming actions.
IMO, if the traffic is too fast for the road to be safe for bicyclists without bicyclists endangering themselves by taking it upon themselves to slow the traffic down, the local jurisdiction should be responsible for taking appropriate remedial actions, including education, enforcement or engineering changes, that slows the traffic down to more appropriate and safer speeds. |
Originally Posted by randya
I object on principle to bicylists being regarded as traffic calming devices, sort of like human speed bumps. Of course, this is the way things often work in the real world, and Serge is actually suggesting that bicyclists actively engage in such traffic calming actions.
IMO, if the traffic is too fast for the road to be safe for bicyclists without bicyclists endangering themselves by taking it upon themselves to slow the traffic down, the local jurisdiction should be responsible for taking appropriate remedial actions, including education, enforcement or engineering changes, that slows the traffic down to more appropriate and safer speeds. |
Serge,
These "techniques" may serve you well today, tomorrow and maybe next week. But once a motorist become accustomed to you weaving irratically in the bike lane and throwing stop signals without intending to stop they will begin to ignore you. Worse, an innocent cyclist may signal a stop or turn and this motorist who is acclimated to your deceitful riding "techniques" may just ignore them also and cause a death or injury. I suggest you act predictably at all times on your bike. |
sort of like human speed bumps I haven't really had any situations of people driving too close to me (other than old people in the bike lane who shouldn't be out driving, period) while I am in a bike lane. A lot of times, cars will even slow down as they pass me. Shocking, I know! I don't deliberately try to slow down traffic - I just try to make situations safer for cars to pass me. This usually includes taking the lane sometimes, and making myself as visible as possible all the time. Haven't found any use for a weaving technique. Usually getting right in the middle of a lane works. |
There is nothing deceitful or unpredictable about these techniques, and I resent the implication that they are! These are legitimate forms of communciation.
The slow/stop signal is similar to tapping your brakes in a car to signal with your brake lights to a tail gater to back off. To motorists coming from behind it communicates: "SLOW/CAUTION". The zig-zagging is similar to what the highway patrol does to slow down freeway traffic in order to create a gap for safe debris clearing. To motorists coming from behind it communicates: "SLOW/CAUTION". I suppose you got the "unpredictable" impression from my own words: "I don't care if they think I'm an unpredictable lunatic on a bicycle...". In retrospect, that was a poor choice of words. I was trying to anticipate someone objecting to this technique on the grounds that someone might think someone zig-zagging like that is an "unpredictable lunatic on a bicycle". Actually, I don't think that actually happens. Zig-zagging in a consistent fashion is just that: consistent, and predictable. It's attention getting, which is the point, that's all. I'm just trying to get their attention so they are aware of my presence, and take care as they pass by SLOWING DOWN and MOVING LEFT. If it stops working because they get used to it and start ignoring me again because I'm in the bike lane even if I'm zig-zagging I'll let you know. In the mean time, it works and I'm going to keep on doing it to keep them from buzzing past me too fast and too closely. YMMV. |
Originally Posted by Hawkear
Not an image I want to think about... ;)
I haven't really had any situations of people driving too close to me (other than old people in the bike lane who shouldn't be out driving, period) while I am in a bike lane. A lot of times, cars will even slow down as they pass me. Shocking, I know! I don't deliberately try to slow down traffic - I just try to make situations safer for cars to pass me. This usually includes taking the lane sometimes, and making myself as visible as possible all the time. Haven't found any use for a weaving technique. Usually getting right in the middle of a lane works. |
Originally Posted by Serge *******
I only use the weaving/zig-zag technique while riding in a bike lane and see in my mirror that motorists coming from behind are not slowing down and/or their path is too close to me.
You're not doing yourself a favour by antagonizing a motorist, unless you can predict that they're out to get you. |
Serge this is a matter for the police and other community officials. Do you have a bike Advocacy group in your area. These groups discuss recommended routes for cyclists and work with construction planning to get safer roads for bikers.
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Ride straight and true and predictably. Signal your intentions clearly. Take the lane when it is safe (and safer) for you to do so. You have the same rights and and rules as the cars.
Sure, I hate it when a car is following me closely as I take the lane legally, revving their engine and finally passing me in a fit of accelerator road rage. But, I have the same right to be there as they do. (I just don't drive an expensive car to compensate for what is obviously their lack of stature in the crotch area.) If I take the lane when necessary and signal clearly, they all fall in line. Riding erratically -- even if it just appears that way -- gives us all a bad name and makes it tougher on the next rider. |
Not only do people drive too fast and get irritated at every little thing that slows them down, have you ever realized that in America people are basically driving the quiet streets of their neighborhoods in military vehicles? On a beautiful spring day they'll be taking their kids to school in jeeps and tanks (Hummers). It's absurd. These things are like 4000lbs.
But anyway, I'm the one who said in another topic that motorists don't slow for anything. That was a bit hyperbolic. In the context of the other thread, I was thinking about this big hill in my town and how everybody drives as fast as they possibly can in order to not look like a wimp. My cars have always been 4 cylinder wimps. I once even resorted to posting a sign in the back window "can't go faster please go around." Seems to make people laugh instead of get mad. I've found my recumbent makes a pretty good traffic calming device. Drivers either want to see what it is, or clock my speed (thinking erroneously that all recumbents are faster than regular bikes), or they think I'm a ******* in a wheelchair. I really have no problem with bike lanes making drivers feel they can step on it and disregard my presence. That's fine by me. I'm capable of managing my own safety. The only time it's ever a problem for me is when there isn't a bike lane and they drive too close. I've found the bike lane keeps them out of my turf. |
I usually throw a pbj in the road, while I'm waliking up a... oh, never mind.
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I just move into the traffic lane if I feel I'm being passed to closely. Usually that means theres not enough room for me and the car so instead of sharing I take up the whole thing. Thay way they either have to change lanes or stay behind me.
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Originally Posted by Serge *******
...As I move out away from the curb, they tend to slow down and move further left...
Maybe in your neck of the woods that does not happen very much, but for some of us the motoring population does not tolerate being forced to move over for a bicycle. Only a massive, relentless effort of public awareness over time will make motorists willing to "slow down and move further left". We ain't all there yet. . |
Originally Posted by sbhikes
Not only do people drive too fast and get irritated at every little thing that slows them down, have you ever realized that in America people are basically driving the quiet streets of their neighborhoods in military vehicles? On a beautiful spring day they'll be taking their kids to school in jeeps and tanks (Hummers). It's absurd. These things are like 4000lbs.
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I have noticed that on days when I pull the trailer, two wheeled trailer wider than the bike, motorists give me more room. This is especially true at night, I run two tail lights on the trailer in addition to the one on my seat post, and it's also true if I have a load that appears large and bulky.
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
I don't care as much if motorists slow down when passing me as long as they pass with appropriate distance for the speed differential (i.e. more distance with increasing speed)
Al The suggestions Serge offers are reasonable and helpful, under the right circumstances and I don't have anything to add except be conspicuous, predictable and respectful. Due to back problems I developed a few years ago, I ride cruisers now because I can keep my back straight, and each of the four bikes I ride regularly are very eye-catching due to styling and colour. I have discovered a side benefit to riding unusual bikes like mine is many motorists who might have sped past me slow down to gawk (often smiling, pointing, giving the thumbs-up in approval, complimenting, etc.). When I towed a trailer for my son, cars were remarkably observant and respectful of the wider area I took up and the fragile cargo I carried (even though sometimes it was only beer :) ). My tricycle receives the same respect for the reason that it is twice as wide as well. Ordinary-looking (in spite of how interesting, well-equipped or expensive they may be to us) bikes tend to be ignored and deemed almost invisible by motorists, from what I have observed. I don't even get stupid comments from jerks. Now they're all smiles and friendly: sort of like what you'd expect if you were riding an OCC or West-Coast chopper or driving a really cool vintage car. Of course, the bikes I ride aren't for everyone or even most people, but they work for me. |
The funny thing is, if you're riding on the right side of the lane and you shouldlook as if you're going to turn left, the car behind usually slows the hell down.
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Because of where I live I've found that I have to take the lane most of the time. When I ride with Cryogenic I notice he stays more to towards the right side of the lane, while I myself will just ride in the center of it. I've found this to work best in making traffic realize that I'm there....I still have the idiots who somehow don't see a 450# cyclist who slam on their brakes...quite beyond me. Yesterday on the only 2 lane road I have to ride on I was over as close to the shoulder as I could get since I was only going like 10mph and here comes a Honda Pilot and all I hear is "chirp, sqeak, chirp" and I look back and he had come to a complete dead stop behind me....what if it had been another 10 feet, probably would have clipped me. Friggin' ignorant motorists...it appears the ones with the big SUVs pay less attention
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Try to ride straight and predictable.
Signal and then TAKE THE LANE. Don't zig zag. Motorists respect you more if you act like traffic. No one usually wants to run you down purposely. If you make it hard for them to predict what you're doing, you'll only hurt and confuse their fragile ego's. Make it known that a) I'm taking the lane because there isn't enough room to pass me safely, b) I'm now in the lane and genuinely staking my claim, I will increase my cadance so you can see that I'm trying to clear this area ASAP so I don't hold up faster vehicles, c) I am now pass the choke point and there is sufficient room, I will kindly move aside and wave everyone by. I find that a quick hard glance straight back on the left signals to a motorist pretty well that I see them and know they're about to pass me. If I'm going to swerve around and zig zag to hold up cars behind me, I might as well pop a few alka seltzer, start foaming at the mouth, and fake a full on seizure, that'll stop traffic pretty well. :) |
Originally Posted by slvoid
Try to ride straight and predictable.
Signal and then TAKE THE LANE. Don't zig zag. Motorists respect you more if you act like traffic. No one usually wants to run you down purposely. If you make it hard for them to predict what you're doing, you'll only hurt and confuse their fragile ego's. Make it known that a) I'm taking the lane because there isn't enough room to pass me safely, b) I'm now in the lane and genuinely staking my claim, I will increase my cadance so you can see that I'm trying to clear this area ASAP so I don't hold up faster vehicles, c) I am now pass the choke point and there is sufficient room, I will kindly move aside and wave everyone by. I find that a quick hard glance straight back on the left signals to a motorist pretty well that I see them and know they're about to pass me. If I'm going to swerve around and zig zag to hold up cars behind me, I might as well pop a few alka seltzer, start foaming at the mouth, and fake a full on seizure, that'll stop traffic pretty well. :) |
seems to me some folks want more than what I consider to be reasonable accomodation. If I am one foot inside the stripe and they are one foot out of the stripe, that's two feet clearance. As long as I have my side of the white stripe to myself, I do not need them to be farther out or slower. It is my responsibility to be outside that lane early if it has hazards..
seems like sudden behavior is the problem, not fast cars... |
Oh for goodness sakes, we've had some good discussions, but I'm inclined to wonder if you will ever accept that anything is the motorists' responsibility. It is not - repeat, not - and I mean NOT my responsibility as a cyclist to cause motorists to slow down. I have every right to demand the courtesy of cautious passing by motorists, and zero responsibility to act (as randya nicely put it) as a "traffic calming" device through unpredictable, unsafe riding maneuvers. That kind of behavior is risky to me, risky to motorists, and irresponsible. The person responsible for control of their vehicle is the person CONTROLLING that vehicle. Duh.
And of COURSE bike lanes only make it worse. It would quite a dent in your agenda if they didn't, right? Wow, I was under the impression that VC meant riding intelligently and responsibly. Not enough :rolleyes: in the universe for this... |
Originally Posted by krispistoferson
I usually throw a pbj in the road, while I'm waliking up a... oh, never mind.
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