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Old 09-09-14, 08:06 AM
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Co Workers must be jealous but, what do I do?

I was called into my supervisors office yesterday and was informed that people are complaining about my cycling apparel. I asked her to explain more and here is what she informed me of:

I cannot change in the bathroom because it is not a changing room.
I cannot wear cycling gear (I wear bib shorts and a HiVis Long sleeve touring jersey) in the office.

I was completely confused after I walked out of the office.
There is a gym that is a 5 minute walk from my office where I take a shower every morning after my commute. No big deal to walk down there to shower but, I have to stop in my office/cube to get my towel, soap, etc. to take a shower.

The interesting thing is there are three females that commute to work also and I spoke to them and they have never had one complaint. I guess they don't get complaints about spandex because they are females.

I am disappointed to say the least. Has anyone ever had to deal with something like this?
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I have not had to deal with this, but if I did, I would just pack my shower stuff, ride directly to the gym, shower, change, and arrive at the office dressed for work.
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Never had this issue because I don't go into the office in bike clothes. Change in the locked handicap bathroom and arrive dressed and ready to work. Try to be as discreet as possible, including everything stored out of sight, no odors, wipe all bathroom surfaces, etc. Never bring up the subject and only respond to questions when asked ("How was the ride?" and so on).
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OP, can you get a locker at the gym to keep stuff in overnight? It might cost extra but it would get you off the hook with the idiots in your office.
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OP, can you get a locker at the gym to keep stuff in overnight? It might cost extra but it would get you off the hook with the idiots in your office.
I had not thought of asking for a permanent locker there. Great idea.
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Originally Posted by thrllskr View Post
I cannot change in the bathroom because it is not a changing room.
I wonder what right do they have to tell you what you can do in the bathroom? Of course, if you can't get to the bathroom due to dress code, it is a non issue.
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I'm fortunate to have a company fitness center where I change, but it's in a different building. I'm not sure what the issue is if you use a gym already, that close to work. Carry your clothes with you.
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Originally Posted by thrllskr View Post
...... The interesting thing is there are three females that commute to work also and I spoke to them and they have never had one complaint. I guess they don't get complaints about spandex because they are females.

............. Has anyone ever had to deal with something like this?
Big surprise? Yeah.... cultural expectations differ for the sexes. Spandex (and even gym wear) isn't considered acceptable men's wear in most places. Although cultural norms for women are more flexible. I wouldn't take this as personal.

I've been retired for a few years now... and there are three (maybe four) people I still keep in touch with from work. They were nice enough people but they were co-workers for the most part... and not friends. In some ways... we competed against each other while at work for assignments and/or promotions. It isn't smart to give them an edge by providing an easy complaint about your office behavior. In most cases your personal life should be left personal. I wouldn't allow my outside activities to be part of my office persona.

This could be a great wake-up call for you about how you intent to build your standing and career progression at work.
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Old 09-09-14, 09:39 AM
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I wouldn't be too quick to jump to the conclusion that your coworkers are "jealous." Mostly, people are made uncomfortable by others who are not like them, so they'll seek to stamp out different behavior if they can.
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You could always get to work before everyone else does and no one will see you.
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You'll just have to deal with it and not wear bike clothes at work. It's probably latent *****exual desire fired by your cute a$$ in spandex. Nothing you can do about it.
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It's surprising to hear of that happening in Colorado. I've always heard how bike-friendly it is.

I'd try to find some written policies that show what you're doing (changing and arriving not in proper attire) violates. Especially because the women haven't been asked to change their behavior. That's gender discrimination and is illegal.

I'd also try to find out specifics. Is the spandex too revealing? Could I wear gym shorts over top? Etc.
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I began commuting early this summer for the first time, initially some co-workers and one supervisor made some caustic comments about me wearing spandex into the office (I immediately change as soon as I arrive into work-acceptable clothing). I purchased some baggy shorts & looser fitting jerseys and after 3 months, the novelty has worn off and no one pays any attention any longer.

These days there are numerous non-spandex options for commuting. My brand preference is Endurasport out of Scotland, use these shorts;
Endura - Products

and these jerseys, and haven't gotten any flak at work.
Endura - Products

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Old 09-09-14, 11:14 AM
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No one cares at my work. I usually spend the first 45 minutes in spandex and a lab coat. Then go shower.

My HR department put up the annual no harassment /bullying flyer. The same morning the HR lady called me handsome while I was wearing my tights.

I also figure if girls can wear tight/leggings I can wear spandex for an hour
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Whomever is behind this is clearly not aware that these "rules" that have been seemingly set in place for you are discriminatory and biased. Having policy makers have a quick chat with a savvy lawyer (perhaps a for-cycling one) would clear up the situation, and allow for common sense to reign.

If you dare, you could reference the office changing scene from "the flying scotsman".

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Originally Posted by thrllskr View Post
Has anyone ever had to deal with something like this?
I wear regular clothes cycling to work (5 - 20 miles over the years). Then I change into fresh regular clothes in the bathroom at work. So long as the bathroom is not destroyed when I am finished changing and primping, and I am not creating a waiting line outside for the non-cyclists, I can't see how anyone would be the wiser.

Helpful Hint: No one, not even your husband or wife, wants to see a Spandex(R) impression of your sweaty junk first thing in the morning. Or probably ever. Just sayin'.
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You'll just have to deal with it and not wear bike clothes at work. It's probably latent *****exual desire fired by your cute a$$ in spandex. Nothing you can do about it.
Seriously? How offensive can you be?
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I have not had to deal with this, but if I did, I would just pack my shower stuff, ride directly to the gym, shower, change, and arrive at the office dressed for work.
Pretty much this.

For me, I arrive before most everyone else, but the mailroom I keep my bike in isn't but 15 or 20 feet into the office. I arrive, walk my bike to the mailroom, and walk down to the health club. In the afternoon I do the reverse. I don't, however, walk through the office in bib shorts and a jersey. I wear baggy shorts over my bibs. I'm not sure we need to "advertise" that we're "cyclists" by wearing the full kit. Walking a bike through the office door should be enough.

All of that said, I find it incredibly ridiculous that in a time and society where most everyone is getting fatter, and companies in particular are lamenting the high costs of health care, that they would make it more difficult for someone who chooses to commute to work by bike, and thus, be healthier than many of his co-workers. I just don't get why more companies don't support this.
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Originally Posted by fatdad View Post
I began commuting early this summer for the first time, initially some co-workers and one supervisor made some caustic comments about me wearing spandex into the office (I immediately change as soon as I arrive into work-acceptable clothing). I purchased some baggy shorts & looser fitting jerseys and after 3 months, the novelty has worn off and no one pays any attention any longer.

These days there are numerous non-spandex options for commuting. My brand preference is Endurasport out of Scotland, use these shorts;
Endura - Products

and these jerseys, and haven't gotten any flack at work.
Endura - Products
Tight clothes under baggy clothes makes it easier to get the benefits of the tight clothes without the grief that can come from coworkers. Especially as you get farther away from your bicycle.
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We can't expect preferential treatment because we choose to commute by bike. If there is an office dress code, then one should arrive to work in the appropriate attire. If the restroom is a shared space, it shouldn't be expected that one can use it as a personal changing room.

Best route is to use the gym as your new transition area, and get to work ready for work.

It's all silly, really. Offices are full of people just waiting to be offended by something.
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I used to catch flak from one supervisor because I'd come into the office wearing knee length khaki (cycling) shorts despite the company having no dress code... I also worked in a different department and out of an office that saw no visitors and had very little traffic.

If I had meetings I kept a change of formal wear in my office but attended most of my calls by bike.

We had a reckoning where I told her that if my shorts were causing an issue (no-one else complained) that I'd just wear my kilt which was less revealing than some women's skirts and other attire.

I would not have gone into work in my cycling kit... if I was wearing the lycra I'd pack some mtb shorts to add a little modesty off the bike and prevent me from scaring little old ladies, what with me being Scottish and all.
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Originally Posted by cobrabyte View Post
We can't expect preferential treatment because we choose to commute by bike. If there is an office dress code, then one should arrive to work in the appropriate attire. If the restroom is a shared space, it shouldn't be expected that one can use it as a personal changing room.

Best route is to use the gym as your new transition area, and get to work ready for work.

It's all silly, really. Offices are full of people just waiting to be offended by something.
nailed it.
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I have shower facilities at my work site but that ties up a bathroom for a longer amount of time than most office mates should have to accept. Yeah you can get to work before anyone else but you would be surprised how early some of your office mates get to work when you decide to try and beat them there. I read the details of some peoples morning regimens and I begin to understand why so few people bother at all.

The Dutch are the cycling commuters par excellence and you will not see large numbers of Dutch commuters doing what the average American commuter does. This is important why? Well for one thing, if the commuting by bicycle can be done without huge impacts on time and ingenuity it will probably have positive effects on how long a person sticks with it.

The main impact on a bike commuter is the need for a shower or sponge bath before changing into office attire. Nix that. Invest in wool or high tech moisture transport fiber baselayers that make showering unnecessary. A shower at home in the morning should be sufficient to get a person through even a 20mi one way. Using shaving cream on the three hot spots during your morning shower followed by deodorant, guarantee that you will not be offensive at the office if you do not take another shower after arriving there.

In the best of all possible worlds a person will be able to wear what they ride in. That's how the Dutch do it. Khakis now have spandex in them so they stretch a bit and shirts usually have enough room to allow for comfort while cycling. For a longer than a couple of miles though I like to ride in cycling specific clothing. Changing at work is thus necessary but office mates get that. Most don't even know. I don't tie up a bathroom doing it. I just find an unused office with a door that can lock and I'm good. FWIW.

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I have shower facilities at my work site but that ties up a bathroom for a longer amount of time than most office mates should have to accept. Yeah you can get to work before anyone else but you would be surprised how early some of your office mates get to work when you decide to try and beat them there. I read the details of some peoples morning regimens and I begin to understand why so few people bother at all.

The Dutch are the cycling commuters par excellence and you will not see large numbers of Dutch commuters doing what the average American commuter does. This is important why? Well for one thing, if the commuting by bicycle can be done without huge impacts on time and ingenuity it will probably have positive effects on how long a person sticks with it.

The main impact on a bike commuter is the need for a shower or sponge bath before changing into office attire. Nix that. Invest in wool or high tech moisture transport fiber baselayers that make showering unnecessary. A shower at home in the morning should be sufficient to get a person through even a 20mi one way. Using shaving cream on the three hot spots during your morning shower followed by deodorant, guarantee that you will not be offensive at the office if you do not take another shower after arriving there.

In the best of all possible worlds a person will be able to wear what they ride in. That's how the Dutch do it. Khakis now have spandex in them so they stretch a bit and shirts usually have enough room to allow for comfort while cycling. For a longer than a couple of miles though I like to ride in cycling specific clothing. Changing at work is thus necessary but office mates get that. Most don't even know. I don't tie up a bathroom doing it. I just find an unused office with a door that can lock and I'm good. FWIW.

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By the same logic we in the US should be considered experts on what and how to drive to work.

Thank goodness the rest of the world is smart enough to realize that just because a certain approach is popular in one place, it doesn't have to be transplanted everywhere else in exactly the same way.

I'm not saying the Dutch are doing it wrong, I'm just saying that what works well for 90% of them, might only work well for 60% of the people here.

For me ideally, I get a great workout during my commute, - sweat buckets, then shower and change when I get to work. Others may not find that practical or desirable. Lots of people drive to work and then go for a run over their lunch break. To me it's advantageous for a company to promote exercise. The OP's company could easily deal with this in a way that would both accommodate the spandexphobes and still encourage his cycling.

OP: That's really too bad. You might have some grounds for complaint if women are allowed to change in the bathrooms and you are not. Of course complaining might only ruin it for them too.

If it's spandex that's really the issue, then just throw some gym shorts and a t-shirt on before you get into the office.

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I have shower facilities at my work site but that ties up a bathroom for a longer amount of time than most office mates should have to accept. Yeah you can get to work before anyone else but you would be surprised how early some of your office mates get to work when you decide to try and beat them there. I read the details of some peoples morning regimens and I begin to understand why so few people bother at all.

The Dutch are the cycling commuters par excellence and you will not see large numbers of Dutch commuters doing what the average American commuter does.
Temper this with the understanding that people posting on Bike Forums are not necessarily "the average American commuter." The average commuter just goes to work, whatever works is good enough. We at BF are more generally enthusiasts, some are into the cycling sport and training, some are more extreme in distance and riding conditions, others are into refining the equipment and experience.

At my very earliest, my first beginnings of bicycle commuting I did what the Dutch do. I rode in my work clothes, at a pace easy enough to arrive without undue dishevelment, at most changing my shirt and freshening up. The only difference is that I was evidently a little faster than the bulk of Dutch commuters, and a little greater distance than their average, in weather not quite so moderate. It doesn't matter, because these are small adjustments which the "average American commuter" is a priori capable of.

I could still commute that way, 5 days a week year round, if I wanted to. My routine is simply a choice, because I think it works better - forgive me if it's arrogant but I believe I do it better than general Dutch commuter, for my purposes. The morning regimen is not that onerous. I put on whatever for the weather, hop on a normal road bike with fenders, quick change at work, that's it. Half an hour from bed to door, 15 minutes at work.

OP could do this if he wanted as well. Ride easy in his work clothes, only change when the weather requires it. He wants a better ride, fresher clothes, or whatever, so he chooses a gym, prefers to change at work etc. It's his choice.

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