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Old 09-26-14, 11:10 AM
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Drop-bar SS/IGH CX/tourer/commuter type bikes - what haven't I thought of?

My beautiful Fuji Royale II singlespeed conversion was totaled after a collision with a car, and the shop giving me the insurance estimate has based their quote on a "functionally equivalent" modern bike. I had my bike built up with a front drum brake (with plans for a 5-speed rear hub with drum brake), and I was originally told that the bike being used for the purposes of the quote is the new Swobo Scofflaw. I did a bit of research, and that one doesn't appeal to me very much, in part because of the carbon fork. In my searches, I came across the disc version of the Nature Boy, and so far, that's the one in that price bracket/feature set that appeals to me the most.

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It'll be used for all-around riding - I have an 18-mile round trip between home and work, mostly on city streets. My primary bike is a Bianchi Volpe, and the Fuji has served for the last few months as a backup and wet-weather alternative. I'm still planning to eventually switch to a 5-speed hub, but I'm a little stuck on whether to go with discs or drums like I'd originally planned. I understand that discs can be noisy in the rain, and one of the things I've really liked about the 90mm Sturmey Archer drum hub I've been using is how quiet and effective it is in wet weather. I also like the super-low-maintenance aspect of the drum brake, and I understand that discs are a bit more finicky (I've never ridden a disc-equipped bike for more than a test ride at a shop).

No matter what, I'm going with hub brakes of some sort, drop bars, and a singlespeed chainline (for planned upgrade to Sturmey C50 series 5-speed hub when they become available). I'll also be adding fenders, rear rack, and a chainguard. Worth mentioning that I like classic-looking bikes, with curved fork blades.

Other options I've looked at online:
Surly (CC, Straggler, LHT)
Raleigh (Furley/Roper)
Bianchi (San Jose)
Masi
Kona
Soma
Salsa
Redline
Felt
Probably a couple others that I can't think of right now...


The end goal is for a build that'll look more or less like a cross between these:

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Here's mine:



Sturmey XRD3 rear and XFDD front

Sturmey FCT 44 chainset

Rides lovely - looks like a SS / fixie

Did a 143 mile audax ride on it a few weeks ago - both myself and the bike held up admirably well

Also gets used for 24 mile round commute with approx 400m altitude of climbing on the way there

recently added a phillips saferide 60 front dynamo light - very nice and powerful
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@3speeder, can't see your attachment. How did you provide it?
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Think this may work better...

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Old 10-02-14, 05:18 AM
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So new to the forum clearly struggling with the simplest of tasks!!

Here's a front view too:

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Nice thing about an older frame is the generous tyre clearances and I feel the absence of rim brakes accentuates that too...

Have to sing the praise of the drum brakes too, on a recent audax ride I hauled it to a stop on a very steep section curving quickly down to a t-junction where a crowd of fellow riders were stopped - I locked both wheels and with my weight slightly rearward managing to slide it sideways to a halt beside them!

Also the thing tubes seem to make it ride smoother - 143 miles in the saddle over 12 hours and was feeling relatively fresh...

Here's a close up of the rear hub (sturmey XRD3) in the dropouts



Incidentally, yesterday I stopped getting 1st gear for some reason and feared that by powering up a very steep gradient I'd stripped a cog in the hub or something... relieved to find out today it was just a case of tensioning up the cable a little bit... this is usually all a sturmey hub needs - especially the newer (presumably better manufactured) ones - I say this because when they moved the tooling to Taiwan they had to renew a lot of it to improve tolerances.

Basically the hub is pretty bullet proof which is why I chose it - it should only need occasional minimal adjustment and maybe some annual oil - but that all. Highly recommended with over 2000 miles already on it.
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Let me throw a Handsome Devil frameset into the hat. CX geometry, lots of braze-ons, all steel, and very adaptable to different drivetrains.

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@3speeder, I like it!
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On One Pompino

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Not sure if you're still for/against disc brakes, but there's the On-One Pompetamine as well.

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I love my Pompino, but the 120mm rear dropout spacing may be an issue for the OP.
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I love my Pompino, but the 120mm rear dropout spacing may be an issue for the OP.
I could be cold-set, no?
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Worth mentioning that I like classic-looking bikes, with curved fork blades.
stick with Drum brakes on the fork .. if you want a resilient fork with slender blades..

International selling SJS warns against curved blades and disc brakes .
(Physics.. I presume, the CCW torque force is unbending that 1 blade when you put the brake On)

the German Tout Terrain went with a fatter left Blade , to try to do their Bent blade-disc fork.. Beefy ..

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I could be cold-set, no?
I don't know. Maybe.
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I just built up a Surly LHT with a Nexus 7 IGH and rear roller, but opted for direct pull up front. I wanted out of drops so went with a Soma Oxford.

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Some of those Swobo's (whose names escape me) are very nice too . . .
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Wow, lots of responses in the last couple days!

I've done a bit more research, and the two most interesting options I've come across are the All-City Nature Boy Disc (still), and the Surly Straggler. The All-City has track ends, though...anyone have experience using these in conjunction with full fenders, particularly metal ones like the PDW Full Metal Fenders? The Surly would pretty quickly put me over-budget, because I'd have to build up a bare frameset (since the complete isn't offered in a single-speed configuration).

@3speeder - that's not that different from my Fuji rebuild and the plans I had for upgrading the rear wheel. However, I've already done the vintage rebuild twice for this purpose (the first time, the frame was a little too big), and if I can avoid doing it a third time, that'd be great.

@icepick_trotsky - I'm pretty sure Handsome ends up being well outside my budget. They are an option I looked up, though, as a friend rides a customized She-Devil with drops, and I know she likes it a lot.

@MichaelW, @jdoff - Are any of these even available in North America? I came across the Genesis in my searches a few days ago and thought it looked cool (especially the green one from a year or two ago), but I don't think I can get them here.

@caloso - You're absolutely right - I need 135mm spacing, or something that can be reasonably spread to that width. 126mm on the Fuji was already gonna be a pretty extrme change, so I think 120mm is right out. This also makes BD's Mercier Kilo WT a non-option.

@-=(8)=- - That Cooper is really interesting, but looks like it might be a UK/Europe-only option? Also looks like it'd be well outside my budget. Looks pretty similar to the Civia Bryant, which is REALLY close to what I'm after, aside from the fact that it's discontinued. As far as Swobo goes, the shop that wrote up the insurance estimate originally was planning to use the Swobo Scofflaw as the base, but the carbon fork disqualifies that for me.


I'm still waiting to find out exactly how much I'll be getting from the insurance company, but I'm not expecting a whole lot more than $1000 at the moment. Sadly, there's basically nothing under $1000 that fits my requirements, so I may well have to shell out a bit out-of-pocket.
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@MichaelW, @jdoff - Are any of these even available in North America? I came across the Genesis in my searches a few days ago and thought it looked cool (especially the green one from a year or two ago), but I don't think I can get them here.
On-Ones are. Either order from the UK site (On-One Mountain Bikes) and pay a load for shipping, or buy from their US distributor (Planet X USA Web Store). I've had good experiences dealing with Planet X USA.

Also, I'll throw in another link for you: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/wolverine

Now you could run 2x10 on Monday, 1 x 10 on Tuesday, IGH on Wednesday, SS on Thursday, and belt drive on Friday. What more could a person want?
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On-Ones are. Either order from the UK site (On-One Mountain Bikes) and pay a load for shipping, or buy from their US distributor (Planet X USA Web Store). I've had good experiences dealing with Planet X USA.

Also, I'll throw in another link for you: Wolverine | SOMA Fabrications

Now you could run 2x10 on Monday, 1 x 10 on Tuesday, IGH on Wednesday, SS on Thursday, and belt drive on Friday. What more could a person want?
That Wolverine is interesting, although I can't say I'm a fan of the color. Too bad they don't offer it as a complete...buying pretty much anything as a frameset means I'm almost definitely going over-budget.
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@icepick_trotsky - I'm pretty sure Handsome ends up being well outside my budget. They are an option I looked up, though, as a friend rides a customized She-Devil with drops, and I know she likes it a lot.
I think it's pretty comparable to the Scofflaw and some of the others you listed (Soma, Surly) in price, but it depends on how you build it up. I suppose you'll know more about your budget when you get the check.
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I think it's pretty comparable to the Scofflaw and some of the others you listed (Soma, Surly) in price, but it depends on how you build it up. I suppose you'll know more about your budget when you get the check.
I took another look at the Handsome site. Dealbreaker: canti studs that would be left unused.

Forgive me for being picky about the look of the bike The one that was totaled happened to be one of, if not the, nicest-looking bike(s) I've ever owned (see the green Fuji pictured in the first).
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Specialized AWOL?
Ack, derailleurs!
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Specialized AWOL?
All completes are derailleur-geared, and a frameset puts me over-budget.
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