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Old 03-09-20, 08:32 PM
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Im holding out to decide, but that point is coming soon.
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Just looking at the number of cancellations of major events (conferences, athletic events, concerts, etc) I'm pretty much assuming that an event organized by Italians (whose entire country is on lockdown) is going to get cancelled. Nevertheless, I am hopeful that our Tour d'Eroica ride from SF to Cambria will still be on. Seems like a fairly safe endeavor for a small cadre of participants to be on the road for a few days. I'll probably be in Cambria for some relaxation no matter what. I don't think my airbnb is cancellable at this point and it's only a few hour drive from my house in the SF bay area. Unfortunately, many of you are not so lucky.
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I'm definitely on the fence about this. It's not being at the event that worries me, it's getting there. I'm a transplant recipient, and sitting on a plane with 300 other travelers from around the world just doesn't add up at this point. If I do cancel, or it's canceled for me, I'm hoping I can recoup most of the cost of my non-refundable airline tickets. Because of my recent health issues, this was the only time I've ever paid for the travel insurance when I bought the airline tickets back in early January. Maybe I'll luck out.

I'm feeling a bit cheated as well. This will be (would have been) my first Eroica event, and, though I haven't invested a lot of money at this point, I've certainly put in a lot of time in training for the event. I know there's always next year, but I can never assume what my health will be. I signed up as a way to celebrate kicking cancer's ass for the third time. I don't know if or when there might be a fourth time.
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I'm definitely on the fence about this. It's not being at the event that worries me, it's getting there. I'm a transplant recipient, and sitting on a plane with 300 other travelers from around the world just doesn't add up at this point. If I do cancel, or it's canceled for me, I'm hoping I can recoup most of the cost of my non-refundable airline tickets. Because of my recent health issues, this was the only time I've ever paid for the travel insurance when I bought the airline tickets back in early January. Maybe I'll luck out.

I'm feeling a bit cheated as well. This will be (would have been) my first Eroica event, and, though I haven't invested a lot of money at this point, I've certainly put in a lot of time in training for the event. I know there's always next year, but I can never assume what my health will be. I signed up as a way to celebrate kicking cancer's ass for the third time. I don't know if or when there might be a fourth time.
That's bad ass that you fought that beast and survived. Doing that and then training up for this ride are major achievements. I hope you get to celebrate some way irregardless of this virus bull****.

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Old 03-09-20, 11:23 PM
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That's bad ass that you fought that beast and survived. Doing that and then training up for this ride are major achievements. I hope you get to celebrate some way irregardless of this virus bull****.
Thanks, tricky. My ultimate goal is Eroica Gaiole, but I guess that's off for the foreseeable future as well.

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Originally Posted by Brad L View Post
Thank, tricky. My ultimate goal is Eroica Gaiole, but I guess that's off for the foreseeable future as well.
Good luck! This whole thing has turned my neck of the woods (Seattle) upside-down. I was already working from home after my office was closed indefinitely and, this might be a little melodramatic, but I am wondering if I might need to self-quarantine for a bit after a friend I spent a while with at the bar on Saturday came down with corona virus-like symptoms today.

Oh, and I just noticed you live in Texas. Training down there is even more impressive! You get heat, winds, and humidity!
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Im still going. Ive drunk enough Coronas in my time that Im sure I already built up a serious tolerance to it.

Seriously though, Im still going. I understand the paranoia by some, but the fatality numbers are too low to worry about it, You're more likely to get hit by a bolt of lightning .
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You're more likely to get hit by a bolt of lightning .
Unfortunately, my immunosuppressants make me a lightning rod.
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Oh, and I just noticed you live in Texas. Training down there is even more impressive! You get heat, winds, and humidity!
I'll ride in the heat any day over the cold, damp, windy winters we have. I hate riding in the cold, but I forced myself to do so this winter so I'd be in shape for Eroica. And now...
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Good luck! This whole thing has turned my neck of the woods (Seattle) upside-down. I was already working from home after my office was closed indefinitely and, this might be a little melodramatic, but I am wondering if I might need to self-quarantine for a bit after a friend I spent a while with at the bar on Saturday came down with corona virus-like symptoms today.
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I'm scheduled for surgery in three days at a hospital not far from the senior home where all those old folks are dying of Covid-19, just north of Seattle. If you guys never hear from me again, I hearby name @Wildwood and @northbend co-executors of my bicycle estate.
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Originally Posted by Brad L View Post
I'm definitely on the fence about this. It's not being at the event that worries me, it's getting there. I'm a transplant recipient, and sitting on a plane with 300 other travelers from around the world just doesn't add up at this point. If I do cancel, or it's canceled for me, I'm hoping I can recoup most of the cost of my non-refundable airline tickets. Because of my recent health issues, this was the only time I've ever paid for the travel insurance when I bought the airline tickets back in early January. Maybe I'll luck out.

I'm feeling a bit cheated as well. This will be (would have been) my first Eroica event, and, though I haven't invested a lot of money at this point, I've certainly put in a lot of time in training for the event. I know there's always next year, but I can never assume what my health will be. I signed up as a way to celebrate kicking cancer's ass for the third time. I don't know if or when there might be a fourth time.
I know its nothing like Eroica but if you are needing a ride this year with some friends and things are under control by then come up to Wichita Falls and do the Hotter 'N Hell. Several Forum members are planning on being there and we will be riding steel bikes. The other 10.000 or so won't be.
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman View Post
I'm scheduled for surgery in three days at a hospital not far from the senior home where all those old folks are dying of Covid-19, just north of Seattle. If you guys never hear from me again, I hearby name Wildwood and northbend co-executors of my bicycle estate.
Meh. They're too big for me anyway.

I assume it's an ear thing. Be good and let us know...
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I'm pretty sure we're discussing Eroica California.
I spoke / communicated with Kaori Peters about a week ago expressing my professional (retired Family doctor) and personal concerns for any of the Italian organizers like founder Giancarlo Brocchi and other Italian or European riders flying in for Eroica, suggesting it would be a risk for them as well as Eroica itself and the town of Cambria with its mostly older population. my understanding is another part time organizer from Italy has already been here for at least a month so they probably got out in time. now all of Italy is locked down and travel internationally restricted in and out of Italy so Italian attendees may not be able to come. Kaori told me that the organizers continue to monitor local and international events and will inform participants of any news or changes that would affect the event.

my newer concerns is incoming Eroica California attendees from hotspot areas like Seattle or NorCal / Santa Clara County. Community spread is an unseen and silent issue which is hard to detect and even harder to stop. I am 64, my wife 65, we have a handicapped daughter who would be with us who has had major viral respiratory illness in the past including H1N1 and Influenza A which required hospitalization, so the risks are very real to us. I recently had a back injury which has knocked me out of 5 weeks of training so my goal of tackling the 72 mile Santa Lucia route again are gone, and even riding the short 35 mile route is not assumed or assured. Now with these potential threats, cancellation and not going becomes a potential outcome, despite losing my entire 1 weeks house rental payment on the best accessible property I stayed at last year. Its only $$$$ compared to the alternatives. So Im taking it day by day and will literally assess right to the week of.

i truly want to be there, I dont mind forfeiting the entry and dinner fee (or maybe be able to use for next year) and will provide sponsorship for tents as needed if they do have the event, but my familys health and well being must take precedence if there is a real risk. YMMV.

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Just looking at the number of cancellations of major events (conferences, athletic events, concerts, etc) I'm pretty much assuming that an event organized by Italians (whose entire country is on lockdown) is going to get cancelled. Nevertheless, I am hopeful that our Tour d'Eroica ride from SF to Cambria will still be on. Seems like a fairly safe endeavor for a small cadre of participants to be on the road for a few days. I'll probably be in Cambria for some relaxation no matter what. I don't think my airbnb is cancellable at this point and it's only a few hour drive from my house in the SF bay area. Unfortunately, many of you are not so lucky.
you guys might consider rerouting around Santa Clara County as that area has been problematic so far. Maybe stick to the coastal route where sea breezes may help keep you safe although slow you down.
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Im still going. Ive drunk enough Coronas in my time that Im sure I already built up a serious tolerance to it.
Seriously though, Im still going. I understand the paranoia by some, but the fatality numbers are too low to worry about it, You're more likely to get hit by a bolt of lightning .
Making light of people dying is a poor joke AT BEST and when you walk past a Van de Graaff generator you WILL likely be struck be lightning. Hopefully you will not be the 1 in 25. It's not about you getting sick it's about the others you infect.

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...I understand the paranoia by some, but the fatality numbers are too low to worry about it, You're more likely to get hit by a bolt of lightning .
Paranoia is a symptom of mental illness. Reasoned concern for the health of others is not.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
I was in St. Louis over rhe weekend. Not sure how "stay home" can be misinterpreted. Perhaps people whose kids attend exclusive private schools don't have to understand. I mean, how could Buffy possibly miss the dance?

Heck, I'm nervous after being at Helen Fitzgerald's for St. Baldrick's.
I've been to Helen's several times. Really good Irish stew. We had really nice weather this past weekend. Hope you enjoyed your trip!
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I was in St. Louis over rhe weekend. Not sure how "stay home" can be misinterpreted. Perhaps people whose kids attend exclusive private schools don't have to understand. I mean, how could Buffy possibly miss the dance?

Heck, I'm nervous after being at Helen Fitzgerald's for St. Baldrick's.
People are selfish. Like the people who refuse to vaccinate their kids.
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The seasonal flu is uncontained. That ship has sailed. If there were something that could be done to stop it, wed do that. COVID-19 isnt yet uncontained in the same way. If it becomes part of our daily existence like the common cold or the flu, it will probably be worse. It seems unlikely at this point that well be able to contain it, but anything we can do to slow it down buys time for researchers to work on a vaccine. Thats probably the goal at this point.
Agree, the goal is to buy more time and slow down the infection rate.
Sad truth is that most of us in urban areas will be fighting this virus.
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Agreed, it is not about whether you get sick, nor even about whether someone you know gets sick from you. It's about the people they know and the people they know and the people they know, etc.
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I certainly understand the concerns of those that were planning to fly to Eroica California. Airplanes are great at spreading respiratory illnesses because of the tightly packed people and the recirculating ventilation. And, of course, the nasty finger smudges on every available surface.

Once at Eroica, though, I doubt that there is much risk of getting or spreading infection. Like everything in life, probability should be considered. First, with only a few hundred folks in attendance, the likelihood of having a vector among them is low. Then, we will only be in close proximity with any quantity of folks at the Saturday night dinner, and then with a small subset of participants. At other times, we will only be in the company of a handful of people with fresh air circulating in the substantial spaces between us. I'm driving up from San Diego and camping at the State Beach, so my transportation and lodging are minimal risk.

The way I figure it, a much greater real risk to my health is climbing Cypress Mountain on a 60-year-old bike...
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Making light of people dying is a poor joke AT BEST and when you walk past a Van de Graaff generator you WILL likely be struck be lightning. Hopefully you will not be the 1 in 25. It's not about you getting sick it's about the others you infect.
Feel free to quote me where I made light of PEOPLE dying....I made light of MYSELF dying.

Hate to break it to you, but We are All going into a wooden box someday.We are All going to die.Thats reality.

Unless youre going to go around French kissing and licking everybodys face that you meet, you shouldnt have to much to worry about.You can choose to hide in your house or not,Thats up to you, But like I already stated, Im going.
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Feel free to quote me where I made light of PEOPLE dying....I made light of MYSELF dying.

Hate to break it to you, but We are All going into a wooden box someday.We are All going to die.Thats reality.

Unless youre going to go around French kissing and licking everybodys face that you meet, you shouldnt have to much to worry about.You can choose to hide in your house or not,Thats up to you, But like I already stated, Im going.
Thanks for clarifying you are not people and thank you for proving you have no idea how this thing is transmitted. For me I am still undecided not for my sake but for people I love.
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Originally Posted by drpaddle View Post
The way I figure it, a much greater real risk to my health is climbing Cypress Mountain on a 60-year-old bike...
... and descending Cypress Mountain on a 60-year-old bike!
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Originally Posted by daviddavieboy View Post
Thanks for clarifying you are not people and thank you for proving you have no idea how this thing is transmitted. For me I am still undecided not for my sake but for people I love.

I work Heavy Construction, EVERY day I go to work theres a good chance I will be seriously injured, maimed for life or possibly killed. Thats My reality. The Corona virus or any other virus will not deter me from going on about my daily life. Ive got other more serious things to worry about like coming home to my family everyday.

If You choose to live in fear thats your business. But dont talk down to me a in a condescending manner because I dont have the same views as yourself.
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... and descending Cypress Mountain on a 60-year-old bike!
Or climbing Cypress Mountain with a 64 year old body.

I'll be driving over from central California and I'm not attending the Saturday dinner, so I figure my risk is about the same as staying home and doing my Saturday group ride, going to the supermarket and church. If the ride is cancelled my wife and I will have a nice weekend in Cambria.
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