Corona virus and shopping in China
03-13-20, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bpcyclist
Tony Fauci, one of the smartest people in our country on this overall topic, said yesterday that he personally believed it was unlikely in most cases to survive on hard surfaces for more than about three days or so, though that depends on many variables. Even if your product was shipped by air, by the time in gets to Istanbul, it seems very unlikely to be a risk to anyone, according to experts.
Originally Posted by livedarklions
Buying from China is not a likely health hazard for reasons ably explained above.
Whether or not the supply chain is going to be disrupted is another matter.
Anyone experiencing any delays, etc. ordering through Ali Express?
Whether or not the supply chain is going to be disrupted is another matter.
Anyone experiencing any delays, etc. ordering through Ali Express?
Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun
Not different from things made in China you buy from a local seller. That specific virus doesn't seem to survive long outside a human.
And with the virus in literally every country, any product would be impacted. A locally made product has less shipping time, so a virus would be more likely to survive.
At least when you order online you are not interacting with potentially sick sales people.
And with the virus in literally every country, any product would be impacted. A locally made product has less shipping time, so a virus would be more likely to survive.
At least when you order online you are not interacting with potentially sick sales people.
Originally Posted by August West
I ordered some PTFE powder from China at the end of last year, so when COVID-19 was a minor news item and well before it turned into a pandemic. Long story short, it took over 2 months to arrive and finally showed up last week. Now I know that there was next to no chance of getting an infection from the package but I couldn't help myself from putting on nitrile gloves and swabbing the bags it came packaged in thoroughly with isopropyl alcohol. I'm in the first elevated risk age category and am trying to do everything possible not to temp fate. So even with practically 0% chance of infection it gave me a little more peace of mind.
Originally Posted by Doc_Wui
I ordered a few tings frim China in Late January. They shjipped in late Februrary after CHina let many people go back to work. I also put on gloves and sparyed the goods with Lysol,
Yesterday, I received some 160mm brake rotors and a folding bike stem from China. These were ordered about two weeks ago. Says that China air mail is still working. I don't how they can mail me these things for such a low rate. Anyway, they also got sanitized.
Yesterday, I received some 160mm brake rotors and a folding bike stem from China. These were ordered about two weeks ago. Says that China air mail is still working. I don't how they can mail me these things for such a low rate. Anyway, they also got sanitized.
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03-13-20, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
Yet the wife of Justin Trudeau, the Canadian Prime Minister, has just tested positive for Coronavirus a short distance away.
Has Canada been doing more surveillance testing than the USA?
Has Canada been doing more surveillance testing than the USA?
03-13-20, 03:56 PM
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I'm not worried about items that were manufactured and packaged by the factories -- those were probably done months or years ago. My most recent Amazon purchases were jerseys made around 2016-2018. If the factory packages were still sealed, there's no problem.
But I'm more cautious about handling the outside of those factory packages and the shipping envelopes or boxes.
Incidentally, yesterday's Amazon delivery was just tossed toward my door. I could hear it skitter across the hallway. No knock on the door. But the delivery driver did snap a photo as proof of delivery -- from a safe distance. So now I need to worry about whatever's on that floor in my building's common hallway.
One can go nuts trying to trace every possible link in a contamination chain. I thought about that yesterday while buying a cheap bottle of antibacterial dish soap, the only thing left after panic buyers cleaned out the shelves of hand sanitizers, etc. Who stocked the shelf? How many customers handled that bottle before deciding on something else?
BTW, Palmolive brand antibacterial dish soap uses lactic acid as an antibacterial. Who knew lactic acid was antibacterial? Apparently my legs will never get an infection.
But I'm more cautious about handling the outside of those factory packages and the shipping envelopes or boxes.
Incidentally, yesterday's Amazon delivery was just tossed toward my door. I could hear it skitter across the hallway. No knock on the door. But the delivery driver did snap a photo as proof of delivery -- from a safe distance. So now I need to worry about whatever's on that floor in my building's common hallway.
One can go nuts trying to trace every possible link in a contamination chain. I thought about that yesterday while buying a cheap bottle of antibacterial dish soap, the only thing left after panic buyers cleaned out the shelves of hand sanitizers, etc. Who stocked the shelf? How many customers handled that bottle before deciding on something else?
BTW, Palmolive brand antibacterial dish soap uses lactic acid as an antibacterial. Who knew lactic acid was antibacterial? Apparently my legs will never get an infection.
03-13-20, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by alcjphil
Ottawa is 125 miles from Montreal, not really all that close. She had just returned from the UK which is where she picked up the virus
125 miles ain't that far when something is already global. Coming soon...
03-14-20, 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
You forgot social distancing
03-14-20, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
Don't forget, don't draft a stranger.
I've had strangers draft me on the Minuteman, and have had to warn them that I will slow down drastically without warning if we're going to pass someone.
03-14-20, 08:19 AM
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Corona viruses are more persistent on smooth surfaces like metal or plastic than rough ones like cardboard or fabric. The upside of this is that a smooth surface is pretty easy to disinfect.
That info is from an excellent twitter thread I saw this week, I wish I'd saved it. If anybody else has a link, please post it.
Anti bacterial soap is no better than regular soap for corona viruses. Soap works very well as it breaks down the outer lipid layer of the virus.
If you get a package and you're worried about , you could just leave it unopened for 3 or 4 days, but that is so hard to do.
I think the best thing to do is to go out and ride your bike and not obsess about things. I should take my own advice.
That info is from an excellent twitter thread I saw this week, I wish I'd saved it. If anybody else has a link, please post it.
Anti bacterial soap is no better than regular soap for corona viruses. Soap works very well as it breaks down the outer lipid layer of the virus.
If you get a package and you're worried about , you could just leave it unopened for 3 or 4 days, but that is so hard to do.
I think the best thing to do is to go out and ride your bike and not obsess about things. I should take my own advice.
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03-15-20, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by canklecat
I'm not worried about items that were manufactured and packaged by the factories -- those were probably done months or years ago. My most recent Amazon purchases were jerseys made around 2016-2018. If the factory packages were still sealed, there's no problem.
But I'm more cautious about handling the outside of those factory packages and the shipping envelopes or boxes.
But I'm more cautious about handling the outside of those factory packages and the shipping envelopes or boxes.
All sorts of viable strategies - let things sit a few days, open them outside and then cleanup just as from a shopping trip, if you have a secure outdoor area (ie, not behind glass/plastic but actually outdoors) sit them in the sun for an afternoon - just put a half dozen soup cans out in the sun yesterday to catch some morning rays.
Things that have had some latency from other human contact are better than things that haven't.
One can go nuts trying to trace every possible link in a contamination chain. I thought about that yesterday while buying a cheap bottle of antibacterial dish soap, the only thing left after panic buyers cleaned out the shelves of hand sanitizers, etc. Who stocked the shelf? How many customers handled that bottle before deciding on something else?
BTW, Palmolive brand antibacterial dish soap uses lactic acid as an antibacterial. Who knew lactic acid was antibacterial? Apparently my legs will never get an infection.
But for a virus such as this just soap itself is doubly effective - first, you're physically removing contaminants, next the soap breaches the lipid encapsulation protecting the viral RNA so any left in splashes of washwater is likely impotent.
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03-15-20, 10:32 AM
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I have a fork and a seat bag on their way from China.
I might move for the summer in June, so I am a little concerned about getting them before that. They won't pose a hazard.
I might move for the summer in June, so I am a little concerned about getting them before that. They won't pose a hazard.
03-16-20, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mosyosalyangoz
There is an epidemic of Corona virus occurring in China and occupying the world agenda recently. There are various rumors about its source, etc., and there is a possibility of contagious disease transmission through breathing, contact. Many of us shop in China from Aliexpress. is it objectionable shopping in China?
03-16-20, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mosyosalyangoz
There is an epidemic of Corona virus occurring in China and occupying the world agenda recently. There are various rumors about its source, etc., and there is a possibility of contagious disease transmission through breathing, contact. Many of us shop in China from Aliexpress. is it objectionable shopping in China?
03-16-20, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun
Not different from things made in China you buy from a local seller. That specific virus doesn't seem to survive long outside a human.
And with the virus in literally every country, any product would be impacted. A locally made product has less shipping time, so a virus would be more likely to survive.
At least when you order online you are not interacting with potentially sick sales people.
And with the virus in literally every country, any product would be impacted. A locally made product has less shipping time, so a virus would be more likely to survive.
At least when you order online you are not interacting with potentially sick sales people.
03-16-20, 10:37 PM
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I am surprised that so many here shop from China direct. I used to buy stuff from Ebay but gave it up probably a couple of years ago when about 6 shipments never arrived. They also have a short period that you can complain and then they shut off that possibility.
I simply spray things with colloidal silver that I am concerned about, arriving in the mail.
I simply spray things with colloidal silver that I am concerned about, arriving in the mail.
03-16-20, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by alanf
I am surprised that so many here shop from China direct. I used to buy stuff from Ebay but gave it up probably a couple of years ago when about 6 shipments never arrived. They also have a short period that you can complain and then they shut off that possibility.
I simply spray things with colloidal silver that I am concerned about, arriving in the mail.
I simply spray things with colloidal silver that I am concerned about, arriving in the mail.
03-16-20, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by willibrord
colloidal silver
Silver acts as a disinfectant. As an example, I believe Johnson and Johnson makes bandaids with a silver mesh imprenated in it.
CS was just starting to become prominent right around when antibiotics came in.
03-17-20, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rosefarts
I have a fork and a seat bag on their way from China.
I might move for the summer in June, so I am a little concerned about getting them before that. They won't pose a hazard.
I might move for the summer in June, so I am a little concerned about getting them before that. They won't pose a hazard.
03-17-20, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisWagner
When in doubt, let the sun shine on your imported package. UV light destroys coronavirus.
Also another reason to go biking.
03-17-20, 03:17 PM
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I've had many orders from China (a recent one was mailed from Thailand btw). What I do is to spray rubbing alcohol on the item (I do the same on computer mouse and keyboard that others may have used, or cash received).
03-18-20, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Buying from China is not a likely health hazard for reasons ably explained above.
Whether or not the supply chain is going to be disrupted is another matter.
Anyone experiencing any delays, etc. ordering through Ali Express?
Whether or not the supply chain is going to be disrupted is another matter.
Anyone experiencing any delays, etc. ordering through Ali Express?
03-18-20, 04:34 PM
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China????
My last E-Bay purchase (in the USA) has been routed through Kent Washington where it is now STUCK... hopefully not for long, but why do they have to ship to a Coronavirus Hotbed?
My last E-Bay purchase (in the USA) has been routed through Kent Washington where it is now STUCK... hopefully not for long, but why do they have to ship to a Coronavirus Hotbed?
