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Old 03-15-20, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MattTheHat View Post
I guess our reading comprehension skills differ. The first paragraph of the article:

Coronavirus victims in Italy will be denied access to intensive care if they are aged 80 or more or in poor health should pressure on beds increase, a document prepared by a crisis management unit in Turin propose.”

”Should pressure on beds increase” and “a crisis management unit in Turin PROPOSE” Is not quite the same thing as “this is Italy’s plan.”
I am tire of debating this with you. I put that article for people to read. Take what you will from it.
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk View Post
Miele Man, and others,
I got a note from the head of infectious diseases at UCLA yesterday pointing out that Covid 19 is not an airborne pathogen, but is transmitted by touching and personal contact. The reason for masks is to keep those who have potential infection from coughing and making contact via putting a hand over the cough and then touching others or materials. The need for frequent wiping down of things like door knobs, crash bars, and the like is a better defense of the transmission of the virus. Personal contact like hand shakes, and kissing is more effective at transmitting the virus. Please do a simple pause and consider how much personal contact is involved in daily life and think about making a few changes there. Smiles, MH

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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
The article states that the government is concerned that the hospital system will be overwhelmed and if a recreational cyclist is injured, there is no elasticity in the system to deal with this.

"If you go out cycling and have an accident your health care will have a very negative impact on a healthcare system that is on the verge of collapse"

Regardless of what one choose to do, the threat to our medical system will likely be real soon enough. Accidents are rare on a bike but they do happen.
Nobody ever considers how motor vehicle collisions already impact the healthcare system which do occur every day.
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Old 03-15-20, 08:50 PM
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Nobody ever considers how motor vehicle collisions already impact the healthcare system which do occur every day.
This is a different world going forward while we are dealing with a pandemic.
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Old 03-15-20, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiepedaler View Post
A good article to share with thoughts to keep in mind during this hokum;

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/...anny-will-not/

Aaaand the Tinfoil Hat Brigade has officially chimed in.
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Old 03-15-20, 09:49 PM
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Aaaand the Tinfoil Hat Brigade has officially chimed in.
Aannnnd the Stop Thinking for Onesself Brigade has it's mind officially gone blank.
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Old 03-16-20, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk View Post
Miele Man, and others,
I got a note from the head of infectious diseases at UCLA yesterday pointing out that Covid 19 is not an airborne pathogen, but is transmitted by touching and personal contact. The reason for masks is to keep those who have potential infection from coughing and making contact via putting a hand over the cough and then touching others or materials. The need for frequent wiping down of things like door knobs, crash bars, and the like is a better defense of the transmission of the virus. Personal contact like hand shakes, and kissing is more effective at transmitting the virus. Please do a simple pause and consider how much personal contact is involved in daily life and think about making a few changes there. Smiles, MH
While it's good to know that the virus is not an airborne one; I can't help but wonder what happens when those germs land on a solid surface that someone then touches. I wonder if the virus can be spread that way?

Tank care folks and cheers.
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Old 03-16-20, 03:48 AM
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Who is going to check your route to and from work. Simply take the long way.
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Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
Nobody ever considers how motor vehicle collisions already impact the healthcare system which do occur every day.
Motor vehicle collisions do not infect other motor vehicles. Even multi-vehicle collisions are self-limiting.
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Originally Posted by prairiepedaler View Post
A good article to share with thoughts to keep in mind during this hokum;

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/...anny-will-not/
This kind of idiocy is the last thing we need right now.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
Motor vehicle collisions do not infect other motor vehicles. Even multi-vehicle collisions are self-limiting.
Is that why bad driving is an acceptable norm? Worldwide deaths by motor vehicles are equivalent to over 3400 each day but nobody cares.

There's no immunity. You can be walking your dog or shopping in Walmart and be killed by a bad driver jumping a curb or smashing into the front door.

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Originally Posted by prairiepedaler View Post
A good article to share with thoughts to keep in mind during this hokum;

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/...anny-will-not/
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This kind of idiocy is the last thing we need right now.
Idiocy is a mild term.

The lunacy is that this guy believes that all of these governments are using the Coronavirus as a tool to gain more authoritarian control over their populaces. I'm pretty sure that isn't the case in the US, since our president* didn't even want to acknowledge that there is a problem.

If the US actually attacks this problem with the seriousness it deserves, and manages to contain the infection and fatality rates below the projections, then these tinfoil hat theorists will say, "See, we told you it was all exaggerated!"

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Originally Posted by MattTheHat View Post
More than merely copying it, you literally wrote: “This is what happens when the virus is running rampant:.”
No reason to parse words in order to argue. If you feel the post is inappropriate, flag it for admins.
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
I found a definition of force majeure as “irresistible compulsion or greater force.”

that pretty much justifies 95% of my cycling.
Thats excellent news. I was afraid that if I went out riding I’d have to ride with major force, and although I am a double-barreled Wattgun full of ammo, that ammo is unfortunately birdshot. Alas, no major force here. But I do try real hard.
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Originally Posted by OBoile View Post
This kind of idiocy is the last thing we need right now.
The last thing that is needed right now is panic, yet it happens.

Everyone at the policy table knows that you never let a good crisis go to waste:

https://supertradmum-etheldredasplac...dicals-do.html

And to those who are programmed to spout Pavlovian terms like tin foil hat when they are faced with potentialities they can not grasp, they should engage another Budweiser and turn on the game. Everything will be just fine after this commercial break.
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Originally Posted by prairiepedaler View Post
The last thing that is needed right now is panic, yet it happens.

Everyone at the policy table knows that you never let a good crisis go to waste:

https://supertradmum-etheldredasplac...dicals-do.html

And to those who are programmed to spout Pavlovian terms like tin foil hat when they are faced with potentialities they can not grasp, they should engage another Budweiser and turn on the game. Everything will be just fine after this commercial break.
I didn't say "tin foil" I sad "idiocy". Seems I made a good choice in my use of words.
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Originally Posted by Miele Man View Post
While it's good to know that the virus is not an airborne one; I can't help but wonder what happens when those germs land on a solid surface that someone then touches. I wonder if the virus can be spread that way?

Tank care folks and cheers.
Miele Man,
That is what the current thinking is by health professionals. ZB: I am infected, and cough into my palm. Then I enter a room by grasping the door knob with the same hand. Door knob now has virus on it. You come to the same door and grasp the door knob to enter the room. Now your hand has virus on it. You rub your eyes, nose, or mouth and you are the next likely victim. HTH, Smiles, MH
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Originally Posted by MattTheHat View Post
More than merely copying it, you literally wrote: “This is what happens when the virus is running rampant:.”

Even if you had only copied it...

In general, copying and passing bad or inflammatory information helps no-one. Regarding Covid-19 specifically, it should be be avoided as much as possible,as there is already a tremendous amount of fear and uncertainty.
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk View Post
Miele Man, and others,
I got a note from the head of infectious diseases at UCLA yesterday pointing out that Covid 19 is not an airborne pathogen, but is transmitted by touching and personal contact. The reason for masks is to keep those who have potential infection from coughing and making contact via putting a hand over the cough and then touching others or materials. The need for frequent wiping down of things like door knobs, crash bars, and the like is a better defense of the transmission of the virus. Personal contact like hand shakes, and kissing is more effective at transmitting the virus. Please do a simple pause and consider how much personal contact is involved in daily life and think about making a few changes there. Smiles, MH
Do you have a shareable link for this UCLA "note"? The CDC and most everything else I've read still says that COVID-19 can be transmitted by airborne droplets: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nsmission.html
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Originally Posted by OBoile View Post
This kind of idiocy is the last thing we need right now.
Wait until the anti-vaxxers come out when a Covid-19 vaccine is develop. They will say the vaccine will actually give you the disease and decrease your earning potential.
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Wait until the anti-vaxxers come out when a Covid-19 vaccine is develop. They will say the vaccine will actually give you the disease and decrease your earning potential.
Just as metal helmets in WW1 was the cause of increased head injuries.
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Thats excellent news. I was afraid that if I went out riding I’d have to ride with major force, and although I am a double-barreled Wattgun full of ammo, that ammo is unfortunately birdshot. Alas, no major force here. But I do try real hard.
If I eat too much sugar-free hard candy, I get force manure.
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Originally Posted by prairiepedaler View Post
The last thing that is needed right now is panic, yet it happens.

Everyone at the policy table knows that you never let a good crisis go to waste:

https://supertradmum-etheldredasplac...dicals-do.html

And to those who are programmed to spout Pavlovian terms like tin foil hat when they are faced with potentialities they can not grasp, they should engage another Budweiser and turn on the game. Everything will be just fine after this commercial break.

How about you take this to P&S, where it belongs? The revolution will not start in a General Cycling thread.
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