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Old 03-17-20, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
Do you have a shareable link for this UCLA "note"? The CDC and most everything else I've read still says that COVID-19 can be transmitted by airborne droplets: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nsmission.html

I believe the issue is that the masks are not fine enough to stop the tiny virus particles from blowing through so they don't protect from airborne viruses either way. They are very effective at discouraging hand to mouth and nose contact, however.
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Originally Posted by Lawrence Rhodes View Post
Who is going to check your route to and from work. Simply take the long way.
My workplace has decreed "telework for everybody." Can I still go out for my 10-mile ride morning and evening to get to [workplace at home] and back to [home]?
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“Spain has band bicycling“

the trombone players must be fun to watch!
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I believe the issue is that the masks are not fine enough to stop the tiny virus particles from blowing through so they don't protect from airborne viruses either way. They are very effective at discouraging hand to mouth and nose contact, however.
That is a very different thing than what Mad Honk said in his post. (The real issue with "surgical" masks is that they simply don't seal well around the edges to filter incoming air, and that's really not their job.) There is a lot of misinformation going around right now, so people need to check their sources and not believe everything they get in their inboxes. Going around and telling people that COVID-19 is "not airborne" is a very dangerous thing to do right now.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
That is a very different thing than what Mad Honk said in his post. (The real issue with "surgical" masks is that they simply don't seal well around the edges to filter incoming air, and that's really not their job.) There is a lot of misinformation going around right now, so people need to check their sources and not believe everything they get in their inboxes. Going around and telling people that COVID-19 is "not airborne" is a very dangerous thing to do right now.

I think they also don't prevent the airborne spread of exhaled viruses because of lack of fine seal. I totally agree the airborne aspect of this needs to be emphasized because my understanding is that is the primary transmission route, which is why there's so much emphasis on the social distancing.

I think we're in agreement here, getting that wrong is dangerous. If I implied otherwise, I apologize.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I think they also don't prevent the airborne spread of exhaled viruses because of lack of fine seal. I totally agree the airborne aspect of this needs to be emphasized because my understanding is that is the primary transmission route, which is why there's so much emphasis on the social distancing.

I think we're in agreement here, getting that wrong is dangerous. If I implied otherwise, I apologize.
Yep, we're on the same page.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
Do you have a shareable link for this UCLA "note"? The CDC and most everything else I've read still says that COVID-19 can be transmitted by airborne droplets: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nsmission.html
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I have sent the info to Miele Man who posted the info to the general cycling forum. I trust you can read it there. Smiles, MH
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If Spain has temporarily banned bicycling it is a foolish move. Perhaps this was already mentioned in the thread but who wants to be forced into public transit when you have no car? Confined close spaces amongst others would accelerate the spread of anything respiratory, wouldn't it? Bicycling is an open air, solitary activity and you generally keep distance from everyone else when doing it. I thought locally it would be good if Transit had a virucide team mist down inside the buses when they are in the garage for the night. Could be done very quickly with one of those hand pump sprayers that is used for applying weed killer and wouldn't cost all that much.
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Originally Posted by prairiepedaler View Post
If Spain has temporarily banned bicycling it is a foolish move. Perhaps this was already mentioned in the thread but who wants to be forced into public transit when you have no car? Confined close spaces amongst others would accelerate the spread of anything respiratory, wouldn't it? Bicycling is an open air, solitary activity and you generally keep distance from everyone else when doing it. I thought locally it would be good if Transit had a virucide team mist down inside the buses when they are in the garage for the night. Could be done very quickly with one of those hand pump sprayers that is used for applying weed killer and wouldn't cost all that much.
It's not an outright ban on cycling. It's a ban on recreational cycling. It's too bad they also didn't or we don't know if there are similar bans on recreational driving, recreational walking or recreational riding of taking public transit.

When one goes out for leisure, he or she is most likely to socialize or linger around. When one goes out for business or a specific purpose like grocery shopping or going to the bank, one usually does his thing and then promptly leaves.
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Spain is in Lockdown. Doesn't matter WHAT VEHICLE you use on the road.

El presidente detalló los puntos centrales del decreto de alarma, en el que quedan muy claras las limitaciones de movimientos: los ciudadanos “únicamente podrán circular por las vías de uso público para la realización de las siguientes actividades: adquisición de alimentos, productos farmacéuticos y de primera necesidad. Asistencia a centros sanitarios. Desplazamiento al lugar de trabajo para efectuar su prestación laboral, profesional o empresarial. Retorno al lugar de residencia habitual. Asistencia y cuidado a mayores, menores, dependientes, personas con discapacidad o personas especialmente vulnerables. Desplazamiento a entidades financieras. Por causa de fuerza mayor o situación de necesidad”.

The president detailed the central points of the alarm decree, in which the limitations of movements are very clear: citizens "will only be able to circulate along the roads for public use to carry out the following activities: purchase of food, pharmaceutical products and First need. Assistance to health centers. Travel to the workplace to carry out your work, professional or business provision. Return to the habitual place of residence. Assistance and care for the elderly, minors, dependents, people with disabilities or especially vulnerable people. Displacement to financial entities. Due to force majeure or need situation ”.
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Sad

I get the idea that an injured cyclist is the last thing a hospital needs if stretched to the limit with viral patients.

After a long Maine Winter though, I'm praying recreational cycling isn't banned here. Looking forward to taking the bike out on the first 50 plus degree day is one of the things keeping me sane as is. Cabin fever is at its peak in March here.

I usually can't get on the roads until about May 1, but we've had such a warm March so far, with no real snow lately, that I've been hoping to hit the paved roads any day now. The usual sand/ gravel from winter road maintenance is gone already, which is very unusual on this date. Gravel roads are still too wet and soft and rutted by trucks, but even those are within weeks of being rideable.
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Originally Posted by prairiepedaler View Post
If Spain has temporarily banned bicycling it is a foolish move. Perhaps this was already mentioned in the thread but who wants to be forced into public transit when you have no car? Confined close spaces amongst others would accelerate the spread of anything respiratory, wouldn't it? Bicycling is an open air, solitary activity and you generally keep distance from everyone else when doing it. I thought locally it would be good if Transit had a virucide team mist down inside the buses when they are in the garage for the night. Could be done very quickly with one of those hand pump sprayers that is used for applying weed killer and wouldn't cost all that much.
Spain banned recreational bike riding. Sorry, but I don't know anyone who engages in recreational public transit riding.

They can ride their bike for transit, but only for the same reasons they can ride public transit, drive, walk, etc.
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I get the idea that an injured cyclist is the last thing a hospital needs if stretched to the limit with viral patients....
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A ban on driving would be much more effective because taking bad drivers off the road would immediately mitigate bicycle, pedestrian and other motorist injuries. But we all know it's much easier for the general public not to bicycle than not to drive badly.
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A ban on driving would be much more effective because taking bad drivers off the road would immediately mitigate bicycle, pedestrian and other motorist injuries. But we all know it's much easier for the general public not to bicycle than not to drive badly.

For the umpteenth time, Spain has basically put the same restrictions on bicycling as they have driving and everything else. You can only do it for necessary trips. The rule is stay home unless you have to go somewhere for certain allowable reasons.

Not every issue fits the cars vs. bikes agenda.
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A ban on driving would be much more effective because taking bad drivers off the road would immediately mitigate bicycle, pedestrian and other motorist injuries. But we all know it's much easier for the general public not to bicycle than not to drive badly.
Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
For the umpteenth time, Spain has basically put the same restrictions on bicycling as they have driving and everything else. You can only do it for necessary trips. The rule is stay home unless you have to go somewhere for certain allowable reasons.

Not every issue fits the cars vs. bikes agenda.
Right, again, Spain is in LOCKDOWN. You may leave your house for specific reasons, otherwise you can’t.

No matter WHAT MANNER OF TRANSPORT you use.

This is not bike v anything, it’s uninformed v facts.

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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
For the umpteenth time, Spain has basically put the same restrictions on bicycling as they have driving and everything else. You can only do it for necessary trips. The rule is stay home unless you have to go somewhere for certain allowable reasons.

Not every issue fits the cars vs. bikes agenda.
I applaud your perseverance but question your sanity.
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It's not an outright ban on cycling. It's a ban on recreational cycling. It's too bad they also didn't or we don't know if there are similar bans on recreational driving, recreational walking or recreational riding of taking public transit.

When one goes out for leisure, he or she is most likely to socialize or linger around. When one goes out for business or a specific purpose like grocery shopping or going to the bank, one usually does his thing and then promptly leaves.
Ok, thank you for the clarification.
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