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Old 03-15-20, 02:25 PM
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Spain bans bicycling

I see that Spain has band bicycling.

https://www.brujulabike.com/cycling-...n-Coronavirus/

"According to the newspaper El País, the decree that will be presented by the President of the Government in the next few minutes indicates that citizens will only be able to circulate on public roads in order to:
  • Acquisition of food, pharmaceuticals and basic necessities
  • Assistance to health centres
  • Travel to the place of work to carry out your professional or business activity
  • Return to the place of habitual residence
  • Support and care for the elderly, children, dependants, disabled or particularly vulnerable persons
  • Attendance at financial institutions
  • Due to force majeure or necessity
  • Any other activity of a similar nature properly justified"
Be careful folks.

BTW, that six feet safe distance around people sneezing or coughing is utter bunk. The distance according to MIT is more like up to 200 feet. 1000,000 contagious germs in a single sneeze. And they can travel at speeds up to 100 mph - a British site says 200 mph. Plus the droplets from a sneeze can stay in the air for up to TEN MINUTES.

Wearing a mask isn't very effective especially if it does not seal completely airtight around the mouth and nose. Airborne germs can still get into the eyes.

Keep hands away from ears, eyes, mouth and nose. Wash hands frequently preferably under running water.

One part bleach to nine parts water makes a good disinfectant.

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Old 03-15-20, 03:23 PM
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Those first four bullet points make up a good deal of my cycling, at least in terms of trips.
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Old 03-15-20, 04:12 PM
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My biggest concern is not the virus itself but governments passing draconian laws to try an prevent the spread of virus...Bike commuting is safer than using public transit.
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It's a bad situation any way you slice it. I am of the mindset I am going to do my best to make the bad situation better. Part of that will be complying with the directives of the government to the greatest extend possible.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
My biggest concern is not the virus itself but governments passing draconian laws to try an prevent the spread of virus...Bike commuting is safer than using public transit.
You can still ride to work and for several other reasons in Spain.
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It looks like a ban only for recreational purposes, which is consistent with cancellations of public events or other non-essential purposes.

For those of us in Spain who already cycle as part of their daily routine, it's not much of a sacrifice to cut-out only the recreational part provided your outing is one or more of the bullet points listed.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
You can still ride to work and for several other reasons in Spain.
That's good to know, but I am still a little surprised that they would ban recreational cycling...A bike ride is the last place to worry about catching a virus, especially if you're doing a solo ride and keeping your distance away from people, then your chances of catching a virus would be zero.
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Will the Spanish authorities be stopping bicyclists to make sure the bicyclist is on a non-recreational ride?

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Miele Man, and others,
I got a note from the head of infectious diseases at UCLA yesterday pointing out that Covid 19 is not an airborne pathogen, but is transmitted by touching and personal contact. The reason for masks is to keep those who have potential infection from coughing and making contact via putting a hand over the cough and then touching others or materials. The need for frequent wiping down of things like door knobs, crash bars, and the like is a better defense of the transmission of the virus. Personal contact like hand shakes, and kissing is more effective at transmitting the virus. Please do a simple pause and consider how much personal contact is involved in daily life and think about making a few changes there. Smiles, MH
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The article states that the government is concerned that the hospital system will be overwhelmed and if a recreational cyclist is injured, there is no elasticity in the system to deal with this.

"If you go out cycling and have an accident your health care will have a very negative impact on a healthcare system that is on the verge of collapse"

Regardless of what one choose to do, the threat to our medical system will likely be real soon enough. Accidents are rare on a bike but they do happen.
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Originally Posted by Miele Man View Post
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BTW, that six feet safe distance around people sneezing or coughing is utter bunk. The distance according to MIT is more like up to 200 feet. 1000,000 contagious germs in a single sneeze. And they can travel at speeds up to 100 mph - a British site says 200 mph. Plus the droplets from a sneeze can stay in the air for up to TEN MINUTES.

snip . . .

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Do you have a link to an MIT article saying that 200 feet is a safe distance?
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This is what happens when the virus is running rampant:

Italians over 80 'will be left to die' as country overwhelmed by coronavirus
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Old 03-15-20, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81 View Post
This is what happens when the virus is running rampant:

Italians over 80 'will be left to die' as country overwhelmed by coronavirus
I didn’t read the whole article, but I believe that headline should read “Italians over 80 'will be left to die' as country overwhelmed by coronavirus...someone or the other FEARS.”
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Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81 View Post
This is what happens when the virus is running rampant:

Italians over 80 'will be left to die' as country overwhelmed by coronavirus

You shouldn't spread misinformation by quoting out of context.

The article references a hypothetical plan being considered should the cases become so overwhelming that they cannot handle the demand for intensive care beds. One of the contingencies is to consider advanced age as a selection criteria. No one will be "left to die". They will still be cared for but not in those beds. Those beds will be prioritized due to certain factors.

Guess how many old people are denied cancer treatment, open heart surgery and hip/knee replacements due to their advanced age and anticipated poor health outcomes.
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Originally Posted by MattTheHat View Post
I didn’t read the whole article, but I believe that headline should read “Italians over 80 'will be left to die' as country overwhelmed by coronavirus...someone or the other FEARS.”
I did not write the title of that article. I merely copied it.
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Originally Posted by Happy Feet View Post
You shouldn't spread misinformation by quoting out of context.

The article references a hypothetical plan being considered should the cases become so overwhelming that they cannot handle the demand for intensive care beds. One of the contingencies is to consider advanced age a s selection criteria. No one will be "left to die". Just that beds will be prioritized due to certain factors.

Guess how many old people are denied cancer treatment, open heart surgery and hip/knee replacements due to their advanced age and anticipated poor health outcomes.
Again I did not write the title of that article. Take it up with the writer.
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Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81 View Post
I did not write the title of that article. I merely copied it.
More than merely copying it, you literally wrote: “This is what happens when the virus is running rampant:.”
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Originally Posted by MattTheHat View Post
More than merely copying it, you literally wrote: “This is what happens when the virus is running rampant:.”
This virus is running rampant, is it not?
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My biggest concern is not the virus itself but governments passing draconian laws to try an prevent the spread of virus...Bike commuting is safer than using public transit.
this
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This virus is running rampant, is it not?
I give, post anything you like. Purposely misleading is the new informative.
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Originally Posted by MattTheHat View Post
I give, post anything you like. Purposely misleading is the new informative.
Anyone that actually reads that article will know that is Italy's plan if their healthcare system is overwhelm, if the plan is approved. Period.

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I found a definition of force majeure as “irresistible compulsion or greater force.”

that pretty much justifies 95% of my cycling.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
It's a bad situation any way you slice it. I am of the mindset I am going to do my best to make the bad situation better. Part of that will be complying with the directives of the government to the greatest extend possible.
Under most other presidential administrations I would agree completely.
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Panic Will End but Tyranny Will Not

A good article to share with thoughts to keep in mind during this hokum;

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/...anny-will-not/

Meanwhile, in Italy, spirits are kept alive through music... Viva Italia! y Viva España!

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Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81 View Post
Anyone that actually reads that article will know that is Italy's plan if their healthcare system is overwhelm. Period.
I guess our reading comprehension skills differ. The first paragraph of the article:

Coronavirus victims in Italy will be denied access to intensive care if they are aged 80 or more or in poor health should pressure on beds increase, a document prepared by a crisis management unit in Turin propose.”

”Should pressure on beds increase” and “a crisis management unit in Turin PROPOSE” Is not quite the same thing as “this is Italy’s plan.”
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