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Old 03-16-20, 03:24 PM
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One thing that I find is that the older I get, the changing perspectives I have on "being old".

The California Governor is only 52 years old. Neither old nor young, but in the middle.

Nonetheless, perhaps he should just sit this one out.
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Old 03-16-20, 03:59 PM
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Decided to ditch the recumbent at the gym for hiking. Good social distancing too. Saw a couple of families with kids, none closer than 200 ft. Passed half dozen joggers. No worries.
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Originally Posted by nesdog View Post
The Gov's directions were 'suggestions' without any enforcement. However an hour ago, all six Bay Area counties ordered all non-essential workers to stay home for the next three weeks.
Yup, just waiting to see if and how they'll enforce it. If they don't enforce, I'm still going to ride. If they enforce, I'll have to dust-off my CycleOps. GROAN
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San Francisco police will enforce the "shelter-in-place" orders. Police chief Bill Scott said that residents' failure to comply will be a misdemeanour offence.
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I'm in San Mateo.
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I think Elderly Californians should take some precautions if they are infirm or have challenged immune systems. But, Californians have been exposed to worse upper respiratory threats than this particular virus for years;

https://www.wnd.com/2014/07/tb-illeg...deadly-threat/

The mass media never said peep about it because it didn't fit a politically correct narrative. The massive amount of homeless and unsanitary conditions in large major cities don't help keep plagues under control either.

Plague has occured in California before;

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...ue-5768180.php

In this case the plague was limited to one city and the government of the time didn't take advantage of it to write themselves up some new laws.

But, Californians are still drawing breath today and will continue to do so.
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Yup, just waiting to see if and how they'll enforce it. If they don't enforce, I'm still going to ride. If they enforce, I'll have to dust-off my CycleOps. GROAN
Thankfully, our home workout room has two trainers, a treadmill, weight rack, floor mats and decent flat screen to do Spinervals and Peloton workouts.

FWIW, we don't have a Peloton bike, just our roadies and we approximate their instructions via gear changes. But you can get the app for your phone at a fairly low monthly price and it comes with tons of workouts. Not just bike but also strength, yoga, etc. Get a free trial.

I got an HDMI to Lightning connector to stream to our TV from the iPhone. Really works well and their workouts are excellent.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
. . . But the ride was harsh and the seat stays went right to the shoulder blades.
Good to know. I was planning to go on a ride today. Settled for hiking some hills instead. At week two I tried sleeping on my side and it caused two days of pretty bad pain in my left pectoral. Now, six weeks out I did it again. Pain not as bad this time, but my bikes are 700x23 and 700x25 with drop bars so I want to avoid any rough pavement. I am starting to consider the possibility I may need to go to a more upright position.
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Despite the beautiful scenery, and great food of all sorts, the one thing that sticks in my mind when I think about California is the "Warning the state of California has determined that......" health hazard signs in the stairwells of the parking garages we had to use.
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Old 03-17-20, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CommuteCommando View Post
Good to know. I was planning to go on a ride today. Settled for hiking some hills instead. At week two I tried sleeping on my side and it caused two days of pretty bad pain in my left pectoral. Now, six weeks out I did it again. Pain not as bad this time, but my bikes are 700x23 and 700x25 with drop bars so I want to avoid any rough pavement. I am starting to consider the possibility I may need to go to a more upright position.
That might work. I just didn't want to fall over. I couldn't sleep in bed for three months. Forum member Tundra_Man also had his chest cracked a few months after mine and he was riding normally much quicker than me.
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Originally Posted by bmcer View Post
Kalifornica hasn't been the place to be at any age for a while now.
oregon is closer to joining that exclusive club, no?
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Old 03-17-20, 09:55 AM
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So here's a good one, I don't think this has been in the news today. I've spoken with a buddy who works at the Pentagon. Trump has said there shouldn't be gatherings of more than 10 people. That's what he was advised (I think the CDC says 50). Since they are absolutely terrified of what's happening in Spain, if states and counties don't start enforcing the 10 person deal then martial law on the country may be declared and anyone who goes outside can be arrested.
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We've sort of got a softer version of that now in the Bay Area.

The White House now appears to be operating off of a more realistic assessment of the situation:

Note the horizontal axis.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/u...ite-house.html
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
Despite the beautiful scenery, and great food of all sorts, the one thing that sticks in my mind when I think about California is the "Warning the state of California has determined that......" health hazard signs in the stairwells of the parking garages we had to use.
Good example of our proposition system which lets laws get implemented without a lot of analysis. The notion was that people should be warned if they are entering a building where there are dangerous chemicals about. That made sense and the proposition passed pretty overwhelmingly.

The problem was that the threshold for what was "dangerous" was so low, virtually every building everywhere needed to put up a sign. Net result: Zero information passed. <head slap>
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I'm in San Mateo.
I'm in Santa Cruz county. They all use the same template and are nearly identical.
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
We've sort of got a softer version of that now in the Bay Area.

The White House now appears to be operating off of a more realistic assessment of the situation:

Note the horizontal axis.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/u...ite-house.html

Wow. That is really counterintuitive if true. All I have read is that the incubation period for the disease is in the order of 2-14 days, with a mean of about 5-6. And the reason for the explosive increase in cases is that people are contagious very early ... before they exhibit any symptoms. So even if we were all locked down, we can expect to see an increase in identified cases.

So if people are on a complete quarantine, bringing the transmissivity down to a number well less than 1, how is it that new cases continue to climb, even months afterwards? Or is it that those aren't new cases, just cases that are lingering because the disease potentially taking several weeks to treat?
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Originally Posted by bmcer View Post
Kalifornica hasn't been the place to be at any age for a while now.
It's not so bad if you can handle $2300 for a 1 bedroom apt., $4.00 for a gallon of regular, high property tax, high grocery prices, mind numbing traffic, no parking, absurdly high homeowners insurance if you're near a "fire zone" and 1000s of homeless people.
On the upside, there are lots of good people here, still. And the weather, we have to mention weather, except drought. Drought is a big problem.

Lots of rural California, too.
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Wow. That is really counterintuitive if true. All I have read is that the incubation period for the disease is in the order of 2-14 days, with a mean of about 5-6.
Dr Sanjay Gupta was on yesterday and he said since this virus is so new we really don't know much about how it will act, there just isn't enough data yet. He was asked about re-infection after someone had gone through it and he said they couldn't be certain because there are people who still test positive weeks after initial positive tests.
The next few weeks are going to be a learning experience.
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post

The White House now appears to be operating off of a more realistic assessment of the situation:
White House and realistic in the same sentence. Who'da thunk it?
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Wow. That is really counterintuitive if true. All I have read is that the incubation period for the disease is in the order of 2-14 days, with a mean of about 5-6. And the reason for the explosive increase in cases is that people are contagious very early ... before they exhibit any symptoms. So even if we were all locked down, we can expect to see an increase in identified cases.

So if people are on a complete quarantine, bringing the transmissivity down to a number well less than 1, how is it that new cases continue to climb, even months afterwards? Or is it that those aren't new cases, just cases that are lingering because the disease potentially taking several weeks to treat?
Is there a chart somewhere for the complete quarantine scenario? I have not seen one. dave
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Is there a chart somewhere for the complete quarantine scenario? I have not seen one. dave
Good point. The chart is a bit ambiguous as to the smallest curve. Is that quarantine only for those over 70? I think everyone hereabouts is being asked to quarantine ... shelter in place.

It's also for the UK, not the US as far as I can tell.

There is also the notion that a total quarantine is not a good idea, as it hampers a herd immunity that might be had from those who are less likely to die from the disease.
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White House and realistic in the same sentence. Who'da thunk it?
Fortunately they are now listening to scientists again (Fauci and Birx at least).

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Good point. The chart is a bit ambiguous as to the smallest curve. Is that quarantine only for those over 70? I think everyone hereabouts is being asked to quarantine ... shelter in place.

It's also for the UK, not the US as far as I can tell.
It is for both. Look at the NYT article link.

Also, here is the direct link to the model:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...16-03-2020.pdf

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Originally Posted by big john View Post
Dr Sanjay Gupta was on yesterday and he said since this virus is so new we really don't know much about how it will act, there just isn't enough data yet. He was asked about re-infection after someone had gone through it and he said they couldn't be certain because there are people who still test positive weeks after initial positive tests.
The next few weeks are going to be a learning experience.
With SARS, people still shed virus via waste and there was an established fecal transmission route, as evidenced for example in an apt building with faulty plumbing. This virus has 80% sequence identity with SARS-CoV-1.
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It is for both. Look at the NYT article link.
Sorry ... not a subscriber. Got my info about that graph from elsewhere.
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