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UniChris 06-21-20 10:31 AM

Water refill in the time of COVID?
 
What are people doing for water / fluid refills on rides that go beyond what you can carry?

Seems like most outdoor water fountains are not being turned on this season - understandable that those concern people, though if out in the sun and not a grime-collecting design (especially if a bottle filler rather than a drinking fountain) I'm not sure they'd be much of a risk. But it's hard to argue with city hall in a place you are only passing through.

My solution in the past in areas where there were no reliable fountains was to go into a grocery or convenience store and buy a large jug of water to refill everything, or if in more of a hurry a water bottle and a bottle of gatorade. Felt wasteful but worked, and at an actual grocery store not very expensive.

Only now going into a store means putting on a mask. And since stopping moving tends to mean all the sweat comes pouring out, and there's not really anything you can do during a ride with a sweat sodden mask that leaves it sanitary for re-use that day, that seems to point to needing to bring a fresh mask for each planned or contingent refill stop. With ones I can wash at home and re-use another day that's not intolerable... but still. (I've kept the same mask on for up to 30 miles in moderate temperatures but that doesn't work so well when sweating buckets and needing to drink frequently)

Any other ideas? Drive through windows at fast food places?

Indyracer 06-21-20 10:36 AM

Convenience store to buy a bottle or two of water. Masks are useless.

GlennR 06-21-20 10:40 AM

Water is my limiting factor.

As you, in the past I was refilling at fast food, dellis and public fountains. Now I won't go in any location. A few times I use outside faucets on the side of a building and twice asked someone outside of their home if i could refill.

Just yesterday I was almost done with the 1st 24oz bottle and only covered 8 miles, really humid, so I stopped by a ball field thinking i could refill at the bathroom sink. (no one touches the end of the faucet). When a guy walked by with a case of water and offered me one. I told him i'd pass it on when i get a chance and came up with the idea of bringing a case of cold water to the local MUP and offer them for free on a day that i'm not riding.

Water is the problem, so we can provide a safe solution to others.

GlennR 06-21-20 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Indyracer (Post 21545660)
Masks are useless.

Doesn't matter if they are or not. It's respect for others so as long as they are mandated.. wear one or stay out.

Ross520 06-21-20 10:47 AM

I keep gloves and sanitizer in my jersey pocket. No issues filling-up at public water fountains.

Also, it's important to remember that covid is mainly transmitted by droplets, and I doubt it survives long anyways on a hot metal surface being bombarded with UV from the sun.

That being said I still use my glove when operating the handle.

UniChris 06-21-20 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Indyracer (Post 21545660)
Convenience store to buy a bottle or two of water. Masks are useless.

While that is fundamentally untrue (they provide a substantial degree of protection from the wearer to others) holding uniformed opinions about them is irrelevant in places where it's a legal requirement to put one on when entering a store.

Eg, wandering around in the grocery store AC shirtless might feel nice, but it's not allowed either.

If there were an open-air vending cart, arguments might be made about reasonable ways to do it. But those are rare and when they do exist, usually a bit pricey for a full refill.

UniChris 06-21-20 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Ross520 (Post 21545679)
I keep gloves and sanitizer in my jersey pocket. No issues filling-up at public water fountains.

Also, it's important to remember that covid is mainly transmitted by droplets, and I doubt it survives long anyways on a hot metal surface being bombarded with UV from the sun.

That being said I still use my glove when operating the handle.

I think there are ways that some could be used safely, yes. But the people who control the season shutoff valves seem not to.

So it's another case of personal opinion being irrelevant - I can't decide I'm comfortable using a fountain, when they seem to all be turned off (have both been asking others about status, and trying ones I pass even if I don't intend to use water from them).

I'm glad to hear you are finding some on though!

Slightspeed 06-21-20 11:41 AM

Like them or not, Starbucks never refused to top up my water bottle. Putting on a mask for a couple minutes is not that big of a deal.

GlennR 06-21-20 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by Slightspeed (Post 21545776)
Like them or not, Starbucks never refused to top up my water bottle.

Same for 7/11 or any fast food place. They all will let you fill with cold water and most will offer ice. Only once did a deli tell me to buy a bottle. All the others have no problem with free tap water.

Might need to put a mask in the 3rd jersey pocket.

livedarklions 06-21-20 12:02 PM

I'm carrying a cloth mask in my cell phone holder. It doesn't get sweaty for the few minutes I'm in the store.

I've ridden 170 miles this week in 90+ degree heat. The store stops were definitely necessary.

indyfabz 06-21-20 12:07 PM

I stopped at a Wawa in NJ last weekend. Their fountain soda machines are back on. Water and ice are always free, but you canít pump your own gas.😀

Mask up!

Pop N Wood 06-21-20 12:10 PM

I do the same things I always have. Convenience stores still allow me to refill water bottles from their fountains or they have working water coolers near the head. Buying a cold power aide is always a refreshing option anyway. Fortunately masks are not required where I ride so I don't bother with them.

Did have a dilemma on a local bike trail Someone put out a cooler of ice with bottled water. Another rider and I were trying to determine the etiquette of how best to access the cooler, he wanted a bottle and I just wanted some ice. I have little patience with the covid overreaction but I do try and respect other people sense of manners, even if I personally feels it borders on a phobia. The person who provided the cooler also left a large bottle of hand sanitizer, so the other rider and I decided sanitizer our hands, let them dry than dig in with bare hands.

Crazy times.

UniChris 06-21-20 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by livedarklions (Post 21545816)
I'm carrying a cloth mask in my cell phone holder.

Carrying unused ones isn't hard, given lack of aero concerns I've got lots of volumetric capacity for things that are light


It doesn't get sweaty for the few minutes I'm in the store.
Given the sweat pours out in buckets even more when I stop than when riding, mine gets pretty sweaty just from being put on at all.

And even without the sweat, re-use after being stuffed in a bag really breaks all the rules about cross contamination from outside to in... I'll put a mask back on without washing if I can hang it up by the strap somewhere out of the way of others, otherwise not.

I'd rather not wear a mask just for appearances. And I'd rather not breathe though parts of the mask I've touched to fold, except under careful and clean conditions at home when bagging it for the first time - that seems somewhat worse (at least in personal risk) than not wearing one at all.


I've ridden 170 miles this wee in 90+ degree heat. The store stops were definitely necessary.
Would definitely agree.

Debating doing a short mid-day shopping run, I'll probably wear the mask the whole time (as on past rides in cooler temps) since some is on town trails where they are requested, kind of curious how sodden it will get. But I just can't imagine it hour after hour after hour in the sun.

dedhed 06-21-20 12:24 PM

Like rough camping I use the outside hose bib at the gas station

unterhausen 06-21-20 12:31 PM

I'm hoping to get used to my hydration pack again. I have been riding in places where you can't get water.

UniChris 06-21-20 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by unterhausen (Post 21545862)
I'm hoping to get used to my hydration pack again. I have been riding in places where you can't get water.

I used to carry a lot of water but have been trying to minimize the amount of time I have any on my back in favor of bottles on the frame, as I find that it moves just enough enough side to side with pedaling to cause a chafing burn after many sweaty hours. Even putting chamois cream on my lower back, somewhere around a metric it really starts to sting and will be scaly and burned for a few days after. My idea now is to ride out of a refill stop with only one liter there, use it early and also try to only ever have it either completely full or empty to minimize sloshing.

So I'm hoping to do my distance rides lighter this year, not step any less often (though hopefully make the stops more quick and efficient). If it comes to it, at least a stack of masks doesn't slosh.

dennis336 06-21-20 03:01 PM

Refills are becoming more of a concern as I'm increasing my mileage in peak riding season and the weather is getting hotter. I did a 64 mile, very hilly ride last week and I carried two water bottles in my cages and a third in my jersey pocket. At the 26 mile mark, I knew it wasn't going to be enough and I really didn't want to ration myself with more than half the ride to go. So, I stopped at a general store (I carry a mask for just such purposes) and bought a bottle of gatorade. Interestingly, the guy working there apparently was one of those who didn't feel the need to wear a mask at all, although the few customers I saw were wearing them.

Metieval 06-21-20 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by GlennR (Post 21545669)
Doesn't matter if they are or not. It's respect for others so as long as they are mandated.. wear one or stay out.

Respect? then why not ride multiple laps around home where you can refill without adding to the body count in stores. mask or no mask, other than personal reasons, I have not heard of a valdid reason for venturing that far.

tkamd73 06-21-20 04:01 PM

Fortunately bubblers turned on in parks that I ride near, or through, also a couple of Grocery stores near my routes. Only place I have to worry about a mask is Milwaukee, Madison, and Costco, so not really an issue, as not going near any of those places.
Tim

Ross520 06-21-20 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by UniChris (Post 21545734)
I think there are ways that some could be used safely, yes. But the people who control the season shutoff valves seem not to.

So it's another case of personal opinion being irrelevant - I can't decide I'm comfortable using a fountain, when they seem to all be turned off (have both been asking others about status, and trying ones I pass even if I don't intend to use water from them).

I'm glad to hear you are finding some on though!

I apologize, my reading comprehension was lacking.

To more constructively respond, there was a time when I was hot and REALLY wanted ice cold water so stopped at a corner store, put my N95 (the medical ones without the valve) and went inside, purchased two litters of water which I filled-up outside.

Everything went pretty well I'd say. Just gotta mask-up. It's the law in many places and for good reason, Japan, for example, actually credits the widespread use of masks with their low covid death rate.

Kabuki12 06-21-20 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by GlennR (Post 21545669)
Doesn't matter if they are or not. It's respect for others so as long as they are mandated.. wear one or stay out.

I agree. Here in California it is State Ordered and people outside the market will give you one if you forgot yours or donít have one. Without it -no entry.

UniChris 06-21-20 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Ross520 (Post 21546218)
Just gotta mask-up. It's the law in many places and for good reason, Japan, for example, actually credits the widespread use of masks with their low covid death rate.

Indeed it is the law... and when done correctly it helps.

But it's hard to do masks correctly, especially in the more primitive hygiene situation of a ride.


I was hot and REALLY wanted ice cold water so stopped at a corner store, put my N95 (the medical ones without the valve) and went inside
How did you get the N95 there (and back) without sacrificing it to that single use?

I've got a p100 cartridge respirator, but the only way I could figure out to really preserve its life when using it for grocery shopping involved donning it in the unsweaty environment of a car, hauling back a real bounty for each incident of exposure, and carefully setting it down after. So after taking some early self-reliant joy in cycle based essentially shopping, when it became clear we really should be wearing masks I gave that up for car trips. Now after a move, borrowing a car means riding or walking halfway to the store anyway, so I've given in to concern fatigue enough to do more human powered shopping; but that pretty much means making do with washable or single use masks that offer far less inbound protection.

But in terms of this thread, the perhaps rhetorical question is the ultimate inability on a long enough ride to avoid going into a store for fluids while wearing a mask that you can carry there and beyond.

Today's experiment of late afternoon shopping in the next town over seems to confirm that wearing a fabric mask for long periods of riding in hot weather isn't going to stay effective - mine today managed six miles out, two stores, and six miles back but pretty much the instant I stopped moving at the door of my building and leaned over to fish out my keys it went fully saturated, and I could feel that I was only getting air from the resulting leakage around the edges - which of course only counts in security theater.

Ross520 06-21-20 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by UniChris (Post 21546331)
Indeed it is the law... and when done correctly it helps.

But it's hard to do masks correctly, especially in the more primitive hygiene situation of a ride.



How did you get the N95 there (and back) without sacrificing it to that single use?

I've got a p100 cartridge respirator, but the only way I could figure out to really preserve its life when using it for grocery shopping involved donning it in the unsweaty environment of a car, hauling back a real bounty for each incident of exposure, and carefully setting it down after. So after taking some early self-reliant joy in cycle based essentially shopping, when it became clear we really should be wearing masks I gave that up for car trips. Now after a move, borrowing a car means riding or walking halfway to the store anyway, so I've given in to concern fatigue enough to do more human powered shopping; but that pretty much means making do with washable or single use masks that offer far less inbound protection.

But in terms of this thread, the perhaps rhetorical question is the ultimate inability on a long enough ride to avoid going into a store for fluids while wearing a mask that you can carry there and beyond.

Today's experiment of late afternoon shopping in the next town over seems to confirm that wearing a fabric mask for long periods of riding in hot weather isn't going to stay effective - mine today managed six miles out, two stores, and six miles back but pretty much the instant I stopped moving at the door of my building and leaned over to fish out my keys it went fully saturated, and I could feel that I was only getting air from the resulting leakage around the edges - which of course only counts in security theater.

I'm not sure what you mean...

It was stored in my jersey pocket, I put it on, purchased the water, removed it, placed it back inside my jersey, and sanitized my hands. Keeping it stored inside a jersey does not "sacrifice" it.

UniChris 06-21-20 06:17 PM

With regard to the usage of an N95 on a cycling ride...


Originally Posted by Ross520 (Post 21546369)
I'm not sure what you mean...

It was stored in my jersey pocket, I put it on, purchased the water, removed it, placed it back inside my jersey, and sanitized my hands. Keeping it stored inside a jersey does not "sacrifice" it.

Sadly, you have demonstrated that the people who argued that the general public wouldn't know how to use PPE without contaminating it or themselves, have a point. Youtube is full of demonstrations of how to use one properly and attempt to preserve this single-use product for contingent re-use; it does not involve a jersey pocket.

The resigned compromise with "face coverings" (vs professional PPE) may be of the "well, at least your droplets aren't landing on others" sort.

But even something like a cloth mask that is primarily effective in protecting others from yourself, can still be personally hazardous, if you cross-contaminate the "clean" and "dirty" sides in re-use, handling, or storage. The people who ride with their mask down and pull it up when they see someone, or joggers who momentarily hold a bunched bandanna to their face... really don't get it, relying on distance alone would make more sense than that.

rm -rf 06-21-20 06:28 PM

I've found a couple of country churches with outside hose valves. But only some churches have these.
Yes, the local parks still mostly have the water fountains turned off. A few more are opening up now.

I didn't stop at all on rides this spring, but that was okay with the cooler temperatures. Now I have an N95 mask and will step into stores for bottled water.


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