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Old 08-16-20, 09:45 PM
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New Unproven Treatments

Trump reportedly pushing new unproven coronavirus treatment that is also embraced by HUD Sec. Ben Carson and MyPillow's Mike Lindell

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-rep...015618012.html
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Why do we need new treatments when that hydroxy stuff works???
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Old 08-16-20, 10:05 PM
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We do need to streamline testing somewhat. But, currently this stuff has only been tested in culture.

We can't simply skip from the beginning to the end without intermediate testing steps.

It needs to be tested in rats or mice or cats or something. Start working out dosing. Then test it in living primates. Then move into human trials.

Are we even anywhere near determining the effective dose vs toxic dose?

Plant derived? Not everything that is plant derived is something that one would want to eat. There are millions of toxic plants and mushrooms.
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'No evidence' oleandrin can cure COVID-19, as experts warn that it can be toxic

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this is what we do know about oleander

https://csuvth.colostate.edu/poisono...nts/Details/60
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Old 08-21-20, 10:26 PM
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Trump strategy on COVID-19 continues to rely on miracles

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Fury over Donald Trump's approval of using blood from Covid-19 survivors to treat infected patients as top scientists warn there is no proof it works

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Study Finds 'Single Largest Driver' of Coronavirus Misinformation: Trump

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Now that Donald Trump is actually in the hospital with COVID, somehow he apparently isn't getting hydroxychloroquine, bleach, or some internal light. Nor the laying on of hands and "thoughts and prayers".

He seems to now be on a 3-drug regimen.
  • Regeneron antibody cocktail. Currently in clinical trials, but without FDA approval.
  • Remdesivir. It apparently a nucleoside analog and inhibits viral replication.
  • Dexamethasone. This is a corticosteroid that has anti-inflammatory effects. COVID seems to involve immune system over-activity, and dexamethasone seems to have a moderate benefit in both reducing symptoms, as well as reducing overall intensive hospital use, and mortality.
One should note that there are two antibody cocktails in trials, Regeneron & Eli Lilly. Donald Trump, however, is a friend o fthe Regeneron CEO. That may be as good as any to choose his product over the Eli Lilly product, unless this amounts to an endorsement of the product which may well be illegal.

Many of the drugs have been tested in critically ill patients, but there is some reason to expect they would also have benefits in those with a mild illness, and hopefully keep the disease from progressing.

It is unclear if all 3 drugs have ever been tested together.

One might expect the two virus specific products, the antibody cocktail, and Remdesivir to have a synergistic effect.

There may not be any data to indicate that Dexamethasone works synergistically with the other two. In particular, the antibody cocktail may work by activating the immune system, while Dexamethasone may have the opposite effect of knocking down the immune system.

Obviously doing nothing is inappropriate, but this does highlight the problems with putting the cart before the horse.
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No evidence that melatonin can be a treatment for COVID-19

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/no-e...211644419.html
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No responsible researchers or media outlets ever claimed melatonin was a treatment for COVID-19. They said it would help people get adequate rest, which would help their immune systems to resist illness.

It was a combination of ignorant pop culture "wellness" media shills and social media that distorted the initial reports and touted melatonin as a "cure."

Context is everything.
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