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Old 11-29-20, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Biker395 View Post
It depends on what you mean by "area." I live in Los Angeles County, which has shown a sharp uptick in cases. But as the plot below demonstrates, the scope of new infections is highly regionalized. Some areas are doing quite well, and others terribly.



LA county is implementing tighter controls. No more outdoor dining as of tonight at 10PM. That particular one is highly contentious, with some communities defying the order, as they apparently do not believe outdoor dining is a significant cause for the increase in infections. The plot below may explain why. As for me, I was scheduled to finally have my long overdue dentist appointment, and canceled it. I do not believe dining outdoors to be particularly risky, but going to a dentist ...



FWIW, this summarizes the debate:

https://la.eater.com/2020/11/24/2169...3D57KVt4Ty0TbM
Ditto just south of you in Orange County. The County LEOs seem to be taking a "hands-off/educational" enforcement approach and are just reminding folks to wear a mask. Big gatherings are a no-no, but there are some protest gatherings going on (100's of participants) and as long as those don't spread out of their immediate area the LEOs let them go on.

All the counties in California seem to be under state-mandated orders, but they're initiated and retracted based on politics. IF a county has a low enough positivity rate to warrant easing restrictions, but a few select 'low-income/lower class/ethnic minority' neighborhoods are still high, the restrictions stay in place over the whole county.
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Bubba and Bubbette are fascinating creatures to study. I live among many of these creatures and I find them easy to confuse and they will believe anything. I had to explain what homogenized milk was to one of these species and that if you drink it you wonít grow wings . True story that I canít really tell here but you can figure it out.
the other picture showed the podium was set up ... this a picture of TYPICAL attendees .......... SE Tex is going to hell
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the other picture showed the podium was set up ... this a picture of TYPICAL attendees .......... SE Tex is going to hell
Yup those are two being pictured in their natural habitat. They have the classic features of a Bubba and Bubbette. I observe them from a distance if I can. I use music such as Van Halen or AC/DC to repel them if they get too close. Some people use blue and green hair dye to scare them away. They only make noise when they are in a group then look around to gain approval of the other Bubbas and Bubettes.
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Old 11-30-20, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sdmc530 View Post
we have the same issues here as the rest, but our leaders at the higher levels refuse to mandate anything. I am actually OK with that...hate to be told what to do. We just take personal responsibility for ourselves and were doing fine. Kids are still in school where they belong....life is going as good as it can be.
In SD, cases and deaths have grown exponentially in the last 2 months. Im across the border in Iowa and our trends are the same.
I chuckled when I read you comment about 'personal responsibility' since that is what our Governor cited when she finally implemented a mask mandate a few weeks ago. It had been 9 months of her claiming 'Iowans will do the right thing' and be responsible, as justification for not implementing really any restrictions of worth while numbers were high relative to most every other state. Then suddenly a couple weeks ago she declared masks are needed since Iowans have 'become complacent'.
The NW part of Iowa, up next to SD, is a unique pocket of life where science is an opinion and people like Steve King are embraced. No surprise that there were unconscionably high outbreaks in that part of the state due to inexplicable decisions a couple months ago. Pleasantly surprised it didnt jump the invisible border into SD.
Last I saw, most every county in SD was marked as 'substantial' for community spread.
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Old 11-30-20, 04:36 PM
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110 or so days without a case.
Everything pretty much back to "normal".
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Old 12-01-20, 02:35 AM
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I just heard from a friend who moved to Vietnam that a small group of Thai "escorts" have been blamed for ruining Vietnam's nearly perfect record for being free of coronavirus infections. His description of Vietnam sounds restrictive by the standards for many countries, but apparently it's a pleasant place to live with a good standard of living and excellent health care. Even as a foreigner living there he received excellent treatment for a recent surgical procedure.

But considering racism and nationalism are pervasive everywhere, it's difficult to say for certain whether those Thai women really were responsible for infecting others, or just blamed for an unexplained rash of infections that couldn't be traced to someone else.

Mostly it seems like yet another example of why the world needs effective vaccines quickly. Irrational reactions to the pandemic are causing problems in many nations, not the least of which in the US.
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Old 12-01-20, 02:42 AM
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His description of Vietnam sounds restrictive by the standards for many countries, but apparently it's a pleasant place to live with a good standard of living and excellent health care. Even as a foreigner living there he received excellent treatment for a recent surgical procedure.
I wonder what "restrictive" can be defined as. Is that in general or since C19?

Down here, we find the US approach to be complete chaos. But to an American the fact that Tasmania has only just recently opened up to other states for the first time in 7 or 8 months to be restrictive.
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Old 12-01-20, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
I wonder what "restrictive" can be defined as. Is that in general or since C19?

Down here, we find the US approach to be complete chaos. But to an American the fact that Tasmania has only just recently opened up to other states for the first time in 7 or 8 months to be restrictive.
Good point. By most descriptions I've heard from visitors, Vietnam is a more "restrictive" society than the US, but it also sounds like a society where personal responsibility and community responsibility are prized. That's lacking in the US.

And my friend who now lives in Vietnam seems like the sort of person to chafe under unreasonable restrictions. He's an artist, photographer, opinionated and in most respects very typically North American. Yet he seems to love Vietnam.

But that's not so unusual in the US. I've noticed many of the most uncooperative, rebellious, complaining Americans are military veterans like myself. Yet they couldn't possibly have been so rebellious while in service, unless they were all given less than honorable discharges after too many disciplinary actions in service. So they certainly understand the need to occasionally sacrifice our personal needs for the greater good.

I suspect that, like me, they actually appreciated the discipline of military life and learned to change to accommodate the peculiar needs of the military community. I was certainly rebellious before I joined the Navy, but I adapted quickly and really enjoyed my time in service. I had no disciplinary problems, was promoted quickly and got nearly perfect fitness reports (I had one quarter or half year when I slacked off a bit and my performance review was appropriately critical, but I learned and rebounded).

We're capable of cooperating and making compromises for the sake of others. But many Americans need to be lured into it through appeals to their self-interest, rather than asking them to make sacrifices without any payback.
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Originally Posted by sdmc530 View Post
we have the same issues here as the rest, but our leaders at the higher levels refuse to mandate anything. I am actually OK with that...hate to be told what to do. We just take personal responsibility for ourselves and were doing fine. Kids are still in school where they belong....life is going as good as it can be.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-dak...153612071.html

Does personal responsibility result in 42% of tests being positive?
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-dak...153612071.html

Does personal responsibility result in 42% of tests being positive?

I am very careful and always stay home when I can and the only real risk we feel we have at my house is my son in school...but yeah, most are just living the dream care free here mask or not.
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Originally Posted by Biker395 View Post
It depends on what you mean by "area." I live in Los Angeles County, which has shown a sharp uptick in cases. But as the plot below demonstrates, the scope of new infections is highly regionalized. Some areas are doing quite well, and others terribly.



LA county is implementing tighter controls. No more outdoor dining as of tonight at 10PM. That particular one is highly contentious, with some communities defying the order, as they apparently do not believe outdoor dining is a significant cause for the increase in infections. The plot below may explain why. As for me, I was scheduled to finally have my long overdue dentist appointment, and canceled it. I do not believe dining outdoors to be particularly risky, but going to a dentist ...



FWIW, this summarizes the debate:

https://la.eater.com/2020/11/24/2169...3D57KVt4Ty0TbM
The plot thickens. This should be interesting ...

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a...X4qVJtyXaCKjLk
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Originally Posted by Biker395 View Post
The plot thickens. This should be interesting ...

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a...X4qVJtyXaCKjLk
It was interesing.

"California judge calls L.A. outdoor dining ban 'abuse' of powers"

https://www.politico.com/states/cali...-surge-9424881
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San Antonio up to 15% from 8% the head of metro health says to keep your kids at home for remote learning. But of course the schools ignore it. Most schools are empty anyways....
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As of today's news we're down to 18 ICU beds. A sharp spike in overall positive rates and severe COVID-19 has us perilously close to disaster. And the usual suspects are still denying it and hollering "hoax" on every comment section on government and media sites.
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Here in Oregon, per capita we're usually in the best four of five US states. But that's a pretty low bar.

Bars and restaurants are closed for indoor service. I think outdoor is allowed for small groups but there doesn't seem to be much going on. Recent increased restrictions have had little impact on me since I've been behaving that was since March.

Many stores have lines outside now, as they are limiting numbers. I don't go.

If you walk around, which we do, it's all you can do to keep from getting run over by an Amazon van. That's retail, these days.
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I have had many UPS deliveries lately. Bike stuff etc etc..
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Down here, we find the US approach to be complete chaos. But to an American the fact that Tasmania has only just recently opened up to other states for the first time in 7 or 8 months to be restrictive.
Here we also find the US approach to be complete chaos.

Shutting down state borders would be tough, other than in Hawaii and Alaska, and even those states depend heavily on the movement of people.
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Here in Oregon, per capita we're usually in the best four of five US states. But that's a pretty low bar.
Here is a headline from yesterdays paper, the Oregonian. It makes you wonder if you can really trust the numbers at all!

"Oregonís image problem: COVID-19 testing numbers looked terrible, so officials changed the stats they reported"
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110 or so days without a case.
Everything pretty much back to "normal".
Well, the numbers are low in Australia and that is great, but averaging 10 new cases a day is hardly zero. That's over 1000 new case in the last 100 days, and there are likely 10 undiagnosed cases for each one found. Oz had a pretty significant spike in winter and since you are now in summer and many people are outdoors again that probably helps as much as anything. As soon as winter returns you are likely to see your numbers spike again!

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Indiana is on fire according to the Governor. Every county in the state is now in the red zone. No more "hot spots". Every 3 months he extends the emergency mandate for masks, gatherings, schools, etc. Mostly ignored by many municipal govs. The recently elected AG, I don't know if he has even taken office yet is touting changing state law to restrict the Governor's emergency powers, claiming "mask education" is the way to go, murights you know.
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Here is a headline from yesterdays paper, the Oregonian. It makes you wonder if you can really trust the numbers at all!

"Oregon’s image problem: COVID-19 testing numbers looked terrible, so officials changed the stats they reported"
If you read the story and not just the headline, you'll find that Oregon caved to pressure and now is following suit with 42 other states' numbers reporting. Counting tests taken rather than people taking tests. Note also that the change is transparent - the counting change and rationale were published.

IMO the old way was a better reflection of what's going on, but people were comparing Oregon's numbers against other states' numbers and using that invalid comparison against the state administration.

Elections matter; the lack of federal leadership has consequences.
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If you read the story and not just the headline
Well, I did read the story, and I did not write the headline. Perhaps the new method will be better, only time will tell. However, I stand by my assertion that the data may not reflect an accurate picture and may be hard to compare between different States and different time periods, perhaps by design.

As far as federal leadership, the CDC is an advisory agency. They have little real authority and mainly offer recommendations and guidelines to each of the States Public Health authorities. Each individual State has the actual responsibility to meet the public health needs of its residents. At the Federal level they have certain responsibilities and those areas not designated as Federal jurisdiction fall to the States, including Public Health issues. If you want a Covid Czar to be in charge of the pandemic in the US, well that simply cannot happen. That is how our State/Federal system works. If you don't like how it works then look to your State Representatives to Congress to change it. Though Oregon has effectively been under one party rule for decades and we see where that has gotten us.
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If a person takes a rapid test + lab test on the same day, I would anticipate the results to be reported as one both for positive and negative results.

On the other hand, if a person is regularly tested for occupational purposes, each test is independent (of course a person can only be positive once, and can only die once).
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CDC gives a good summary of COVID over the last 7 days.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...r100klast7days

There is a lot of data on that page and one can look at change from previous, etc.

Ignoring the territories,

Hawaii is at 7 average cases per 100,000 in the last 7 days.
Vermont is at 16.7 average cases per 100,000 in the last 7 days.
Maine has 27.3 average cases per 100,000 in the last 7 days.
Oregon has 32.7 average cases per 100,000 in the last 7 days.
Texas and NYC are actually not doing too bad with 40.2 and 40.7 average cases per 100,000 respectively in the last 7 days
NY State is somewhat higher with 57.9 average cases per 100,000 in the last 7 days.
Ohio gets #2 from the bottom with 105.1 average cases per 100,000 in the last 7 days.
And Rhode Island is rock bottom with 117.3 average cases per 100,000 in the last 7 days.
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