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Diamondback Haanjo Comp vs Trail

Old 03-29-16, 11:55 AM
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Diamondback Haanjo Comp vs Trail

I've been checking out the Haanjo line, and despite there being a shortage of reviews online, it appears these 2 bikes are highly regarded.

I have a 20% off coupon for REI, which makes these bikes a great deal. Looking closely at the specs between the two, the only differences appear to be Ultegra and hydraulic discs on the Trail, vs 105 and mechanical discs on the Comp. Price difference is $700, which seems high for just those differences.

Does anyone think it's worth upgrading to the Trail for the difference in price?

Thanks.
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Old 03-30-16, 06:23 AM
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No.

The $700 difference isn't worth the premium for basically the same alloy frameset.

105 and mechanical disc brakes are fine.
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Old 03-30-16, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by NormanF View Post
No.

The $700 difference isn't worth the premium for basically the same alloy frameset.

105 and mechanical disc brakes are fine.
According to the DB website, the Haanjo Comp has last generation 105 on it, i.e. 10 speed. I wouldn't buy a bike new today that had that old groupset on it.

EDIT: Forget it, apparently the "compare" feature on DB's website gives old information. It is 5800.
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Old 03-30-16, 11:26 AM
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Thanks guys. Any thoughts or opinions about that bike and build (with 105)? Are there better choices for around $1,100?
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Originally Posted by dsutton01 View Post
Thanks guys. Any thoughts or opinions about that bike and build (with 105)? Are there better choices for around $1,100?
I have it's predecessor, the DB Steilacoom RCX, which is an aluminum 105 based cross bike. I have the cantilever version, but they made a disc version. So take my opinions based on this, rather than experience with the actual Haanjo Comp. On paper the bikes are almost identical barring some slight differences in geometry to make it more "gravel".

I'm in the process of getting rid of it for a few reasons:

The bike is fine but boring to ride. The design of the bike itself lacks refinement that you might get from a more experienced or larger frame manufacturer. This leads to a general feeling of "meh-ness" about the thing. It doesn't excite me. The aluminum welds are untreated so are massive and chunky, unlike higher end aluminum frames where they smooth off the edges.

I find the frame on mine to be quite harsh riding, especially after getting a steel road bike. Having massive tires will help, although even with 700x32s on pavement I had trouble over chip and seal. Gravel was bone shaking.

The bike itself is not a looker (mine is essentially "murdered out" black). The wheels on mine are utter junk, and I had to replace them. The Haanjo has HED branded rims, so this may be improved now. However I don't think the rims were the issue, it was the sh*tty build quality.

The BB30 bottom bracket was nothing but trouble, it broke 175 miles out of the box. I rebuilt it 3 times, although the last rebuild seems to have made it work (at least for the last 3500 miles), which was done with excessive cleaning, loctiting and very careful pressing. The Haanjo has BB386, which uses a press in sleeve like PF30, rather than the direct fit bearings of BB30, so maybe it's improved, but I've sworn off press fit for now completely.

DB branding gets sneers from others, I'll admit. I don't particularly care about this, but there it is. Expect to be asked if you bought your bike at Wal-mart, for some reason people believe that DB is a department store bike. AFAIK DBs have never been solds at Wal-marts or Targets.

Honestly though if you can get it cheap (I got mine for $638 on a MSRP of $1350) it's worth it. Full price? Nah.

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Originally Posted by dr_lha View Post
The bike is fine but boring to ride. The design of the bike itself lacks refinement that you might get from a more experienced or larger frame manufacturer. This leads to a general feeling of "meh-ness" about the thing. It doesn't excite me. The aluminum welds are untreated so are massive and chunky, unlike higher end aluminum frames where they smooth off the edges.
Thanks for that - very helpful. Retail is $1299, my cost, after tax and a 20% REI discount is $1050 or so.

I don't disagree about the branding - it didn't move me, and it seems too busy and screams insecurity.

What are some good, exciting to ride CX bikes that are in the $1,000 - $1,200 range? I'm almost wondering if it would make sense to find a good quality CX frame and build it myself. It can't cost too much more to build it with 105 and discs than I'd pay for the Haanjo Comp, can it?
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Old 03-30-16, 12:05 PM
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I don't disagree about the branding - it didn't move me, and it seems too busy and screams insecurity.
Well at least they got rid of the unclickable links, mine has "www.diamondback.com" on the chainstay. Useful.

What are some good, exciting to ride CX bikes that are in the $1,000 - $1,200 range?
Don't know. I wish I did. I'm building one right now, using the parts off the DB. We'll see how it turns out!

I'm almost wondering if it would make sense to find a good quality CX frame and build it myself. It can't cost too much more to build it with 105 and discs than I'd pay for the Haanjo Comp, can it?
Honestly, you'd be hard pushed to build a decent bike for that price. Say you can get a frame and fork cheap: $350 (that's a steal), then you need a 105 groupset ($350 - except that'll come with caliper brakes, and you need discs - extra cost), wheels (cheap good ones - $250?). I've almost hit $1000 there without buying handlebars, seatpost, saddle, cabling, bottle cages etc....
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You aren't going to get something to impress your local bike snobs with 5800 105 for $1200 new. The DB is a good bike for the money. I personally like cheesing off the local snobs with my nashbar generic framed cross bike, its a fuji. I also have nice DB mtn bike but mtn bikers seem to be much less snobby about brands.
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105 5800 groupset $340
A23 105 wheelset $200
Bb7 brakes $70 eBay (new)
Soma double cross disc frame $400
headset $25
Gary drop bar $40
Tape $15
Tires $40 (decent all arounders)

$1130 total
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Old 03-30-16, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon3 View Post
105 5800 groupset $340
A23 105 wheelset $200
Bb7 brakes $70 eBay (new)
Soma double cross disc frame $400
headset $25
Gary drop bar $40
Tape $15
Tires $40 (decent all arounders)

$1130 total
Does the frame include a fork?
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Old 03-30-16, 04:07 PM
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Hm sorry te photo I looked at does have a fork, but now I see the frame doesn't. So frame =$380 Nashbar Carbon cross disc fork =$120 total build $1230

Still pretty competitive
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Nothing against lower brand bikes though. I would also be happy with a Fuji Cross. Pay no attention to MSRP. Most Fuji dealers can mark things down a couple hundred, especially if you find a holdover model from last year. I got a Fuji Cross Pro for $1100 with full ultegra and krysiums this way.
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Hm sorry te photo I looked at does have a fork, but now I see the frame doesn't. So frame =$380 Nashbar Carbon cross disc fork =$120 total build $1230

Still pretty competitive
Sure but your price list is missing all the little extras that add up to a couple of hundred bucks when building a bike. I know I've built a few!
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I have it's predecessor, the DB Steilacoom RCX, which is an aluminum 105 based cross bike. I have the cantilever version, but they made a disc version. So take my opinions based on this, rather than experience with the actual Haanjo Comp. On paper the bikes are almost identical barring some slight differences in geometry to make it more "gravel".

I'm in the process of getting rid of it for a few reasons:

The bike is fine but boring to ride. The design of the bike itself lacks refinement that you might get from a more experienced or larger frame manufacturer. This leads to a general feeling of "meh-ness" about the thing. It doesn't excite me. The aluminum welds are untreated so are massive and chunky, unlike higher end aluminum frames where they smooth off the edges.

I find the frame on mine to be quite harsh riding, especially after getting a steel road bike. Having massive tires will help, although even with 700x32s on pavement I had trouble over chip and seal. Gravel was bone shaking.

The bike itself is not a looker (mine is essentially "murdered out" black). The wheels on mine are utter junk, and I had to replace them. The Haanjo has HED branded rims, so this may be improved now. However I don't think the rims were the issue, it was the sh*tty build quality.

The BB30 bottom bracket was nothing but trouble, it broke 175 miles out of the box. I rebuilt it 3 times, although the last rebuild seems to have made it work (at least for the last 3500 miles), which was done with excessive cleaning, loctiting and very careful pressing. The Haanjo has BB386, which uses a press in sleeve like PF30, rather than the direct fit bearings of BB30, so maybe it's improved, but I've sworn off press fit for now completely.

DB branding gets sneers from others, I'll admit. I don't particularly care about this, but there it is. Expect to be asked if you bought your bike at Wal-mart, for some reason people believe that DB is a department store bike. AFAIK DBs have never been solds at Wal-marts or Targets.

Honestly though if you can get it cheap (I got mine for $638 on a MSRP of $1350) it's worth it. Full price? Nah.
I actually bought the Haanjo Trail so I can comment some more. Frame does have big ugly welds. But mine in the polished aluminum finish does look nice. The tube shapes give is a unique look. The top tube is tapered and flat in the middle and downtube is hydroformed into a massive square at the bottom bracket. That does all add to stiffness. And the frame is plenty stiff which some people will like and others won't. I'm riding it with carbon seatpost and the 700x40 tires at 60 psi and there is no unwanted buzz on road. I'm going to be putting 700x28 tires on. considering rim is 25mm wide and I'm going to run those around 70 psi I'm expecting to actually have better on road feel but we'll see. I've done 90% of the riding on road and I have no complaints. It's a little slower than my other bikes due to extremely slack geometry but I can still cruise at over 20mph on flats even with 46/36 cranks and it's more comfortable for daily riding than my other bikes which are all more aggressive in geometry and fit. I've descended some winding roads at close to 40mph and feel perfectly stable and confident. It has a tapered 1 1/8 to 1 1/2 head tube so that makes it very stable. It's the first bike with discs I've had and they are hydraulics so I can't really comment on the mechanical discs. This frame also has a threaded bottom bracket so no worries about bb30/press fit creaking.

As for DB brand name. Yes they ruined their reputation by making big box bikes for years (like Schwinn) but in recent years they have got into the high end race bike market too and make some $10k carbon bikes and do all their frame design in house and Podium series is very well received by people that can look past the name. This bike is definitely not a big box quality bike, it's same quality you get from any big LBS brand. Everyone that has seen mine has been impressed...not that that matters. My other bike is a generic chinese carbon frame so I'm not trying to impress people
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This frame also has a threaded bottom bracket so no worries about bb30/press fit creaking.
I thought i was BB386Evo? That's press fit usually, although the longer spindle (over BB30) means you could run it in a standard 68mm English threaded BB, with an appropriate bottom bracket. Did they do that here? There's no indication of it on the DB website.

As for DB brand name. Yes they ruined their reputation by making big box bikes for years (like Schwinn) but in recent years they have got into the high end race bike market too and make some $10k carbon bikes and do all their frame design in house and Podium series is very well received by people that can look past the name.
Well as I said, I don't believe that DB ever sold in "big box" stores like Schwinn has, they sold mostly in sporting goods stores like Dick's and online (Amazon, where I got mine). But they have that reputation, sadly. As for their aspirations of high end bikes, I think they're on a hiding-to-nothing here. Nobody who spends $10K on a bike is going to get a DiamondBack. They'll always be a brand that people buy on value, rather than prestige.

This bike is definitely not a big box quality bike, it's same quality you get from any big LBS brand. Everyone that has seen mine has been impressed...not that that matters. My other bike is a generic chinese carbon frame so I'm not trying to impress people
Honestly, you'd likely get less prejudiced opinions from people about your unbranded frame than you would about the DB. I speak from my years of experience!
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Regarding the BB, I looked at the photos on the DB website, and yes indeed, they are using what looks like an FSA MegaEVO BB, so the frame has a standard English BB. That strikes a massive negative off the list for me, well done DB.
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Originally Posted by dsutton01 View Post
Thanks for that - very helpful. Retail is $1299, my cost, after tax and a 20% REI discount is $1050 or so.

I don't disagree about the branding - it didn't move me, and it seems too busy and screams insecurity.

What are some good, exciting to ride CX bikes that are in the $1,000 - $1,200 range? I'm almost wondering if it would make sense to find a good quality CX frame and build it myself. It can't cost too much more to build it with 105 and discs than I'd pay for the Haanjo Comp, can it?
If you can spend a little more Jenson USA has last years Niner RLT 9 on sale with Ultegra hydro and Stans wheels for $1999.99. Very tempting.
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DB is a value brand owned by Raleigh.

Like Schwinn, it offers good value for the money. Bike snobs will look down on it but you'd have a good bike that would last you a lifetime.

The DB Haanjo as a do-it-all bike, isn't high end but it gets the job done.
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If you can spend a little more Jenson USA has last years Niner RLT 9 on sale with Ultegra hydro and Stans wheels for $1999.99. Very tempting.
Thanks for the recommendation. I could probably come up with the money, but given that it will probably be a weekend-only bike, is it worth $1k more than the Diamondback Haanjo Comp? Will the resale be quite a bit better? Is the frame better? I see the components and wheels are a nice upgrade. Brakes: Hydraulic versus mechanical - big deal?
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DB is a value brand owned by Raleigh.
Not really, Raleigh and DB are both owned by the Accell Group, which is a large multinational that owns many bike brands. Saying Raleigh owns DB is like saying Cannondale owns Schwinn.

Like Schwinn, it offers good value for the money.
Comparisons to Schwinn are off base IMHO, because Schwinn sell low quality cheap bikes at Wal-mart and Target, that is different in my mind to "good value". DB's bikes, especially it's higher end ones, are comparible to major LBS brands in quality, but at a lower price.

Bike snobs will look down on it but you'd have a good bike that would last you a lifetime.
Well the former is certainly true
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Thanks for the recommendation. I could probably come up with the money, but given that it will probably be a weekend-only bike, is it worth $1k more than the Diamondback Haanjo Comp? Will the resale be quite a bit better? Is the frame better? I see the components and wheels are a nice upgrade. Brakes: Hydraulic versus mechanical - big deal?
Hydraulic brakes have a slightly more precise feel to them but you'll be good with mechanical brakes. Since you write its a weekend-only bike, I wouldn't put too much money into it. I have a GT Eightball with hydraulic brakes I picked up for under a grand and I'm happy with it. Not a high-end bike but more than adequate for daily fun exercise.
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Not really, Raleigh and DB are both owned by the Accell Group, which is a large multinational that owns many bike brands. Saying Raleigh owns DB is like saying Cannondale owns Schwinn.


Comparisons to Schwinn are off base IMHO, because Schwinn sell low quality cheap bikes at Wal-mart and Target, that is different in my mind to "good value". DB's bikes, especially it's higher end ones, are comparible to major LBS brands in quality, but at a lower price.


Well the former is certainly true
Accell is like Dorel for Schwinn, GT and Cannondale. Multinationals own bike brands these days.

Schwinn does sell its Signature Line to LBS. I have an LBS Schwinn and its nothing like the BBS Schwinn. Quality throughout.
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Accell is like Dorel for Schwinn, GT and Cannondale. Multinationals own bike brands these days.
Not all of them!

Schwinn does sell its Signature Line to LBS. I have an LBS Schwinn and its nothing like the BBS Schwinn. Quality throughout.
I thought to mention the signature line, which apparently are designed by Cannondale, but figured they're rare enough that you wouldn't have one.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I could probably come up with the money, but given that it will probably be a weekend-only bike, is it worth $1k more than the Diamondback Haanjo Comp? Will the resale be quite a bit better? Is the frame better? I see the components and wheels are a nice upgrade. Brakes: Hydraulic versus mechanical - big deal?
you can also get the Haanjo Trail from REI for $1999.00 and use your coupon. both have hyraulic Ultegra. Niner gives you the Ultegra cranks and Stans wheels which might be slight upgrades but the DB is pretty comperable for less
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you can also get the Haanjo Trail from REI for $1999.00 and use your coupon. both have hyraulic Ultegra. Niner gives you the Ultegra cranks and Stans wheels which might be slight upgrades but the DB is pretty comperable for less
After all discounts, the price difference between the Haanjo Comp and Trail is just under $600 via REI. That difference buys me Ultegra and hydraulic brakes. I could get into the Niner for about $380 more.

And just found this Cannondale CAADX Disc 105 at REI for $1,459. (would still get the 10% REI member discount).

https://www.rei.com/product/877728/c...-105-bike-2016

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