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Hypno Toad 06-10-16 12:38 PM

DK - Cheating with support
 
Old-Fashioned Cheating | RKP

Funny to say, I know riders at Almanzo 100 did the same thing, having a friend meet them on course with food and water. I just shake my head. I've done a number of gravel centuries, and I rarely take support at the race organized check points. I'm getting ready to ride the Westside Dirty Benjamin tomorrow, riding to and from the event. It'll get up to 90F, and I don't expect to stop at the check points. I'll have to see how the four 22 oz water bottles hold up to the heat. IMHO that's that point of self-support gravel races. But none of this really maters to me, I'm so far from the top 10, I could care less about all this noise.

fietsbob 06-10-16 12:54 PM

so tell the UCI to with draw support? Oh, its an amateur event.. people cheat to win .. Its How Politics works , Too

Hypno Toad 06-10-16 01:17 PM

True. In an exchange another thread about the Almanzo 100, somebody said that the event looks like it's not a sanctioned UCI event; I responded it's more like an anti-sanctioned event.

wheelsmcgee 06-10-16 01:41 PM

Interesting. It sounds like a clear violation of the support rules, which were made known at the rider's meeting and in the rider's bible.

However, it does get interesting when you consider that there are numerous unofficial water stops along the way...random people with a hose or some Gatorade or something. What about those? I think that needs to be clarified in the rules... according to a FB post by the race organizer, it doesn't sound like stopping at those sorts of places for some water is an immediate DQ, but you have to admit there is a fine line between getting water from a bystander vs a buddy in the car. Maybe your buddy lives on the route?

Hypnotoad, good luck with your race and be safe...four 22 bottles would last me maybe 3 hours in that heat.

Mr Pink57 06-10-16 01:44 PM

WDB has one support stop before they did the partial dirt path so get all the water you can there.

Spoonrobot 06-10-16 01:55 PM

Patrick Brady is chump. Steve Tilford has a better take: Nick Frey getting DQ?d at The Dirty Kanza 200 | Steve Tilford

Bamboo bikes are dumb.

Hypno Toad 06-10-16 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by wheelsmcgee (Post 18835547)
Interesting. It sounds like a clear violation of the support rules, which were made known at the rider's meeting and in the rider's bible.

However, it does get interesting when you consider that there are numerous unofficial water stops along the way...random people with a hose or some Gatorade or something. What about those? I think that needs to be clarified in the rules... according to a FB post by the race organizer, it doesn't sound like stopping at those sorts of places for some water is an immediate DQ, but you have to admit there is a fine line between getting water from a bystander vs a buddy in the car. Maybe your buddy lives on the route?

Hypnotoad, good luck with your race and be safe...four 22 bottles would last me maybe 3 hours in that heat.

Thanks! Four bottles can get me through a 100 miles on a typical day... tomorrow is not forecast to be typical. Thankfully, we start at 8:00, and be able to get a lot of miles before the heat takes over.

The general rule, as I understand it, if the farmer has a hose at the end of his driveway, it's OK since all riders can use it. If your mom meets you on course with water and food, it's a violation because it's not available to all riders. Likewise, stopping at the convenience store to buy drinks/food is OK since all riders can pull off and buy food/water.

For tomorrow's WDB, they added a second check point with water. There were concerns about the temps. I will likely top off at each of the two stops, because I know what it feels like to ride in these temps when you're outta water - NOT FUN!

Hypno Toad 06-10-16 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Spoonrobot (Post 18835586)
Patrick Brady is chump. Steve Tilford has a better take: Nick Frey getting DQ?d at The Dirty Kanza 200 | Steve Tilford

Bamboo bikes are dumb.

Good read, thank you for sharing. I like his point that this isn't cheating, it's a DQ. There is a difference and it's an important difference.

Now I don't like the title of the thread I started.

FrozenK 06-10-16 02:59 PM

Nick Frey's blog post (and his wife's Facebook posts after that) are not helping him. I read his blog post and he starts by admitting to not reading the rules, he messed up... and then goes on a rant about how epic his effort was, how everybody else was taking water from strangers, some anti-corporate blabber, accusations against the organizers and downplays the fact that he had a support vehicle there (not allowed) and he took support from that support vehicle.

That made him look like a cheater more than someone who made a mistake. And now that the organizers have clarified Frey got DQd for having the Boo Cycles van there, yeah all the rest of it doesn't matter. This wasn't about how he would have died without the farmer's Gatorade or how irresponsible and greedy the organizers are. This is about him having a support vehicle trail him and help him. I can see why people complained and why he got DQd.


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