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Old 11-28-16, 07:02 AM
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Need advice on frames

I just sold my Vassago fisticuff and am in the market for a new frame. I am getting all kind of recommendations from friends and I value those but I want to get a few more. My vassago had a 581 ETT, a 600 seat tube, a 33" standover, and a 66 BB drop. I want less reach, more bb drop, and more standover. I also want clearance for bigger tires like 45. I want to stay in the 600 dollar range for frame and fork. The best recommendation I am getting from an experienced gravel riding friend is a salsa vaya. I like it but just a tad too spendy for me. Next is a Soma Wolverine (I own a Soma B side and Soma rocks plain and simple). Now I am seeing a Kona Sutra or possible a Kona Rove. The only thing about Kona is I don't know exactly what kind of Steel they use. Their website just says Kona Chrome Moly and that's pretty vague. Is that just their way of saying "Hey we use 4130 like so many others?" What I am noticing with Kona and Soma is that I have to go with a smaller frame than the Salsa to get a shorter ETT. My LBS said I should fit a 56 frame with my size (6' 1/2", 34" inseam, proportionate torso to leg length) but I will need to go smaller than 56 in the Kona or Soma to get the reach where I want it. Another thing I am looking for is less aggressive geo and comfort on longer gravel rides. I am not a racer. I still have all my components leftover from my Vassago. So Cowbell 2 bars will be going on whatever frame I buy. I should also note that I am not interested in Surly frames. Personally I think they're built like tanks. Any opinions on these other frames?

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A size 56 Raleigh Stuntman. Reynolds 631, room for 700x50, 570mm effective top-tube, 82.5 bb drop.

I dont know if they just sell the frame, but the whole bike is just $1500 online.
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I had a very lengthy discussion with Cory at Kona bikes. After talking to him for a while I think I am convinced that I will probably be getting a Kona Sutra. Sounds like they're built out of some pretty decent steel and it's double butted instead of straight gauge thickness which I personally like.
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sounds like a good plan. Did he give you any details on the type of steel they are using?
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Originally Posted by chas58
sounds like a good plan. Did he give you any details on the type of steel they are using?
He said it was chromoly which was pretty generic. But he said something about it comes from the same place that Soma gets theirs. Soma uses tange prestige which is a pretty high quality steel but it's also been around forever. All he said was theirs was double butted similar to Soma where as Surly and Salsa he thought were still using Straight gauge tubing which is heavier and gives a lot harsher ride because it's not as forgiving. Bottom line is he was one hell of a nice guy and he was very helpful and that says a lot.
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