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I am needing new tires. I primarily ride gravel but there is some pavement too. I need a good multi use tire. I currently have 700x32 tubeless tires. I was considering the kenda happy medium but am really nervous that I would wear the center knobs off in no time. Then I would have a slick with side knobs. Anyone have experience with the wtb nano? Panaracer gravel king? I got Jensen usa gift cards for Christmas so I am trying to stick with something they sell.

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Originally Posted by trail_monkey
I am needing new tires. I primarily ride gravel but there is some pavement too. I need a good multi use tire. I currently have 700x32 tubeless tires. I was considering the kenda happy medium but am really nervous that I would wear the center knobs off in no time. Then I would have a slick with side knobs. Anyone have experience with the wtb nano? Panaracer gravel king? I got Jensen usa gift cards for Christmas so I am trying to stick with something they sell.
I'll send you my nearly new 700x32 Happy Medium tires if you'll pay postage. I stopped using after them after 100 miles. It didn't take long to realize that they were slow and heavy feeling on all surfaces. In other words, it's not a recommended tire for any use.
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv
I'll send you my nearly new 700x32 Happy Medium tires if you'll pay postage. I stopped using after them after 100 miles. It didn't take long to realize that they were slow and heavy feeling on all surfaces. In other words, it's not a recommended tire for any use.
Thanks for that recommendation. What about some of the others I mentioned? Also was looking at the maxxis rambler.
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey
Thanks for that recommendation. What about some of the others I mentioned? Also was looking at the maxxis rambler.
What tires are you using? Do you want a tubeless tire?
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv
What tires are you using? Do you want a tubeless tire?
Currently have bontrager 700x32 tubeless. They have little knobs all over them. They are bald though lol. Yes I would prefer to stick with tubeless and thought about going up to a 38-40 size. Bike is a soma Wolverine so clearance is not an issue. I just don't have an extra wheelset and I don't want to change tires every time somebody says hey let's go on this paved ride. I would like to be able to use one tire for both types
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I'd consider the Schwalbe G One: https://www.bikerumor.com/2016/07/29...ad-bike-tires/
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv
That tread pattern looks similar to the maxxis rambler which is one I was looking at. I have had several sets of maxxis mtb tires and really love them!
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey
Thanks for that recommendation. What about some of the others I mentioned? Also was looking at the maxxis rambler.
I've had Nano's for a while and really like them. They're great on a variety of surfaces, handle loose corners well, roll descently on pavement, absorb the rough stuff, etc.

Currently, I'm running a Nano in front and a Rambler in the rear. Not too many miles on this combo yet, but I like it so far. No trouble on some steep, loose ascents, rolls well on pavement, etc. I would imagine the Rambler would make a solid front tire also.

Haven't set either up tubeless yet, so no comments there.
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It really depends. For loose, rocky conditions a knobby tire like the Nano is great. For mixed conditions, the Clement X'Plor MSO is terrific. For groomed gravel or smooth paths, a slick like the Compass Bon Jon Pass is really all you need and will roll fastest. All will work well tubeless. The people I know who ride gravel a lot will swap tires based on conditions on the day. They actually avoid tubeless as it's a pain to swap out a tubeless setup.
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Originally Posted by Hiro11
It really depends. For loose, rocky conditions a knobby tire like the Nano is great. For mixed conditions, the Clement X'Plor MSO is terrific. For groomed gravel or smooth paths, a slick like the Compass Bon Jon Pass is really all you need and will roll fastest. All will work well tubeless. The people I know who ride gravel a lot will swap tires based on conditions on the day. They actually avoid tubeless as it's a pain to swap out a tubeless setup.

You know at one time I was going to get away from tubeless on this bike and go with tubes for the very reason you just stated. That brings up an interesting thought again now that you and some others have mentioned it. I just remember one day last spring on a nice long gravel ride hearing a banging sound from my front. I looked down and there was a small piece of plaster lathe board with a 1 1/2" nail stuck right in the middle of my tire. I simply pulled it out and heard a small "pfft" followed by a dot of white. That was it. I rode that same tire all summer and then through RAGBRAI and finally 5 weeks ago removed it and rotated front to rear because it was nearly bald. If that had been a tube I would have had to dismount and do a tire repair unless I was running super heavy slime tubes.
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If someone knows what they are doing switching from one tubeless tire to another is not that hard and take less than 5 minutes per tire. There is no mess just take one bead off the tire, use a scoop to collect the sealant and save it for the next tire.
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I thought I would resurrect this thread to post that today I stopped into my favorite LBS. I told Blake I was looking to see what he had for gravel tires. He said they have been selling a lot of the Soma Cazaderos. One of his customers used them on his gravel/commuter bike and this customer had 800 miles on already and claimed that they were hardly showing any wear. He said prior to the Soma Cazaderos he had some WTB Nanos on and at the same mileage he said they were noticeably more worn than these Cazaderos he was running now. They supposedly roll better on pavement than the Nanos did too. The thing that almost kept me away was that the Somas are not tubeless rated and I have always ran tubeless on this bike. But honestly tubeless is huge for my mountain bike where I sometimes run pressures below 10 psi but I think on a gravel bike where my pressures are never under 30 I will be happy going back to tubes.

But to ask a question.....I am using Stans Grail rims now tubeless. I have heard reports that these tires are easy to convert tubeless and that they work well that way. Has anyone here tried it?

Blake also knocked 28 dollars off the top for me out the door. I love doing business with this LBS!

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Originally Posted by trail_monkey
I thought I would resurrect this thread to post that today I stopped into my favorite LBS. I told Blake I was looking to see what he had for gravel tires. He said they have been selling a lot of the Soma Cazaderos. One of his customers used them on his gravel/commuter bike and this customer had 800 miles on already and claimed that they were hardly showing any wear. He said prior to the Soma Cazaderos he had some WTB Nanos on and at the same mileage he said they were noticeably more worn than these Cazaderos he was running now. They supposedly roll better on pavement than the Nanos did too. The thing that almost kept me away was that the Somas are not tubeless rated and I have always ran tubeless on this bike. But honestly tubeless is huge for my mountain bike where I sometimes run pressures below 10 psi but I think on a gravel bike where my pressures are never under 30 I will be happy going back to tubes.

But to ask a question.....I am using Stans Grail rims now tubeless. I have heard reports that these tires are easy to convert tubeless and that they work well that way. Has anyone here tried it?

Blake also knocked 28 dollars off the top for me out the door. I love doing business with this LBS!
Are you sure those tires will fit? Only asking because you said you had 32c on your bike and the Cazaderos' are 42c.
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Wolverine frame is supposed to have clearance for 45 mm tires with fenders.
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Wolverine frame is supposed to have clearance for 45 mm tires with fenders.
Thanks, I missed that part.
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey
I have heard reports that these tires are easy to convert tubeless and that they work well that way.
I haven't done the Cazadero, but I have done the BG Rock & Road which is also made by Panasonic. Casings are almost exactly the same size and construction looks identical so I suspect the only significant difference is the tread pattern. I've mounted the BGs twice now (once on Pacenti SL23v2 rims and once on DT R460s) and both times it was a real challenge to get the beads to seat. Molding seams and irregularities on the bead made it hard to get enough low tension sealing with the beads in the channel to build up pressure to pop them onto the seats, even with a 1/2 HP 8 Gallon air compressor. It was worse the second time around (I suspect the beads stretched a little after being mounted the first time). In hindsight, another layer or two of narrow rim tape in the channel probably would have helped.

Once mounted, I'm 3 for 4 getting them to hold air. In all cases the sidewalls are really porous, so I had to work a bit to get sealant thoroughly distributed. The last time around I had one that slowly leaked down when not riding (30 psi to 5 psi in 36 hours). No sign of where it was leaking, and sealant wouldn't stop it. I got tired of fussing with them and just re-mounted with tubes.

They rode great tubeless and I had no problems with burping even running as low as 25 psi on a really rough CX course. But running them now with tubes at 30 psi, I really haven't noticed much of a difference in ride quality.
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I haven't done the Cazadero, but I have done the BG Rock & Road which is also made by Panasonic. Casings are almost exactly the same size and construction looks identical so I suspect the only significant difference is the tread pattern. I've mounted the BGs twice now (once on Pacenti SL23v2 rims and once on DT R460s) and both times it was a real challenge to get the beads to seat. Molding seams and irregularities on the bead made it hard to get enough low tension sealing with the beads in the channel to build up pressure to pop them onto the seats, even with a 1/2 HP 8 Gallon air compressor. It was worse the second time around (I suspect the beads stretched a little after being mounted the first time). In hindsight, another layer or two of narrow rim tape in the channel probably would have helped.

Once mounted, I'm 3 for 4 getting them to hold air. In all cases the sidewalls are really porous, so I had to work a bit to get sealant thoroughly distributed. The last time around I had one that slowly leaked down when not riding (30 psi to 5 psi in 36 hours). No sign of where it was leaking, and sealant wouldn't stop it. I got tired of fussing with them and just re-mounted with tubes.

They rode great tubeless and I had no problems with burping even running as low as 25 psi on a really rough CX course. But running them now with tubes at 30 psi, I really haven't noticed much of a difference in ride quality.
It was tempting to try them tubeless but honestly I don't think I am going to feel the difference either. And if I have to change tires it will be a lot cleaner.
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It was tempting to try them tubeless but honestly I don't think I am going to feel the difference either. And if I have to change tires it will be a lot cleaner.
Yeah, unless you're running pressures down in pinch-flat territory, it's hard to justify the extra effort. I miss the peace of mind of minor puncture protection, but I'm slow enough on gravel that a quick stop to patch a tube really won't ruin my ride
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey
I am needing new tires. I primarily ride gravel but there is some pavement too. I need a good multi use tire. I currently have 700x32 tubeless tires. I was considering the kenda happy medium but am really nervous that I would wear the center knobs off in no time. Then I would have a slick with side knobs. Anyone have experience with the wtb nano? Panaracer gravel king? I got Jensen usa gift cards for Christmas so I am trying to stick with something they sell.
Yeah, the happy medium looks nice, but I hear too much about them being heavy and slow.

Read some great reviews about the Maxxis Rambler, and bought a set (40c and 38c) from Jensen.
Maxxis Rambler Tire Review | Gravel Cyclist: The Gravel Cycling Experience

They are tubeless, run a little smaller than marked, have a nice cushy supple ride, and are very light and very fast. I was planning on using a set of 32mm road tires in the summer, but I'm not sure I want to take the ramblers off as they are such nice tires. They Might fit the bill for you!

P.S. the Maxxis Ravager was actually designed as a front tire option for people who ran the rambler in the rear but wanted a more aggressive dirt tire in the front.
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I have nothing to add to this thread but am really enjoying it and enjoying the reviews linked.

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Yeah, the happy medium looks nice, but I hear too much about them being heavy and slow.

Read some great reviews about the Maxxis Rambler, and bought a set (40c and 38c) from Jensen.
Maxxis Rambler Tire Review | Gravel Cyclist: The Gravel Cycling Experience

They are tubeless, run a little smaller than marked, have a nice cushy supple ride, and are very light and very fast. I was planning on using a set of 32mm road tires in the summer, but I'm not sure I want to take the ramblers off as they are such nice tires. They Might fit the bill for you!

P.S. the Maxxis Ravager was actually designed as a front tire option for people who ran the rambler in the rear but wanted a more aggressive dirt tire in the front.
Thanks for the info but as stated in already bought some Soma Cazaderos. I took them out for a short 4 mile ride this afternoon and boy do they roll nice on pavement.
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey
Thanks for the info but as stated in already bought some Soma Cazaderos. I took them out for a short 4 mile ride this afternoon and boy do they roll nice on pavement.
When they wear out try the Continental Cyclocross Speeds. They are fast on pavement and grippy enough on gravel / dirt.
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I just wanted to say....Damm these tires look nice don't they?! I love these gumwalls.
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey
I just wanted to say....Damm these tires look nice don't they?! I love these gumwalls.
Look great on a black bike with black rims
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Originally Posted by king_boru
When they wear out try the Continental Cyclocross Speeds. They are fast on pavement and grippy enough on gravel / dirt.
Those look great. Oddly, I almost bought a set of the 42mm speed ride tires as the price was great, until I realized it must be a very different construction than the 35mm version (cyclocross speed).

They look identical, but what caught my eye first was the 84tpi of the $15 tire. In contenental speak, that means 28TPI (as conti always multiplies their thread count by 3 beccause they have 3 belts). The $45 cyclocross speed is 60tpi.

I don't know - they look like the same tire, weigh similar, but have a huge price difference.

Continental Speedride 700C Tire > Components > Tires > Dirt Tires | Jenson USA
Continental Cyclocross Speed Tire > Components > Tires > Dirt Tires | Jenson USA

Why the price difference???
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