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East coast version of the Dirty K?

Old 01-14-17, 04:28 PM
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East coast version of the Dirty K?

Is there an easy coast weekend of awesomeness for graveling?
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The east coast is too developed and we simply don't have that many gravel roads. Eastern density ensures that roads have high traffic counts, so paving is usually the only way to go.

I'm sure that it's possible to find a venue, but it won't be easy.
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It might be sold out but, you can get a transfer to ride as people fail to realize their training plans.

One of the unique things about the Flint Hills is that most of this ground has never been touched by a plow, that cattle out number people by many multiples and there aren't many trees (you can literally see for miles). The gravel can be nasty, chunky and very sharp.

Come on out and see us.
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I only really know about the Southeast - AL, TN, NC, SC, FL & GA.

Based on distance alone we don't have anything near that length.

The longest gravel event I know of is and have done is the Standard Deluxe dirt road century in Alabama, which was new in 2016. It's a 100 mile ride with about 90 miles of dirt/10 miles of pavement. There's also the Bootlegger 100 which is 100 miles as well but I'm not sure of the gravel/pavement percentage.

Pisgah Monster Cross is 70 miles and would be #3 of the events I know about: Pisgah Productions | Pisgah National Forest | Pisgah Monster-Cross Challenge

So we don't really have anything comparable down here.
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Originally Posted by Spoonrobot
I only really know about the Southeast - AL, TN, NC, SC, FL & GA.

Based on distance alone we don't have anything near that length.

The longest gravel event I know of is and have done is the Standard Deluxe dirt road century in Alabama, which was new in 2016. It's a 100 mile ride with about 90 miles of dirt/10 miles of pavement. There's also the Bootlegger 100 which is 100 miles as well but I'm not sure of the gravel/pavement percentage.

Pisgah Monster Cross is 70 miles and would be #3 of the events I know about: Pisgah Productions | Pisgah National Forest | Pisgah Monster-Cross Challenge

So we don't really have anything comparable down here.
Pisgah is national first us great spent a week riding Mt bike there 15 years ago.... Stayed in Asheville....
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Come visit us in the midwest! I would love to introduce easterners to our area. By the way I love the east coast! It is beautiful out there.
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Single day most awesome Gravel biking ride in the East is the D2R2 .D2R2

it also happens to be the largest dirt road event in the country!

Lots of climbing, extremely difficult if doing the 180K but there are shorter options.
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Originally Posted by thehammerdog
Is there an easy coast weekend of awesomeness for graveling?
https://m.facebook.com/HellholeGravelGrindStageRace/

This is a 2 day stage gravel race. ~75 miles each day. Also has a shorter 42 mile race first day. It's been around for a few years. Pancake flat but cool service roads through Francis Marion forest outside of Charleston, SC
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Originally Posted by ct-vt-trekker
Single day most awesome Gravel biking ride in the East is the D2R2 .D2R2

it also happens to be the largest dirt road event in the country!

Lots of climbing, extremely difficult if doing the 180K but there are shorter options.
I'm signed up for the 160K this year, can't wait to see what it's like--I've heard great things. I've got an old Miyata Alumicross being delivered any day now that I'm building up for it.
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FYI, it's quite varied (mostly gravel/dirt) surfaces, but you can go from New Brunswick, NJ, to around Bethlehem, PA mostly on old canal towpaths. It's roughly 95-ish miles.

No organized rides, as far as I know.

On the east coast, I can't think of many, if any, similar length (mostly) off-road trails.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
The east coast is too developed and we simply don't have that many gravel roads. Eastern density ensures that roads have high traffic counts, so paving is usually the only way to go.
you need to get out more. There are a lot of gravel roads, even in New York.

Closer to me, there is Keystone Gravel Keystone Gravel | Pennsylvania's Premiere Gravelduro
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Originally Posted by unterhausen
you need to get out more. There are a lot of gravel roads, even in New York.

Closer to me, there is Keystone Gravel Keystone Gravel | Pennsylvania's Premiere Gravelduro
Yes, your right. But the problem isn't that I don't get out, as much as it is a downstate New Yorker's concept of the East Coast. I don't think of Pa west of the Poconos and NY west of the Catskills, as being the coast.

Also, IME many of the gravel roads we do have in upstate NY are more like muddy dirt roads with some bluestone chips spread around. We even have some close to home in Westchester, but they're pretty lousy for biking in the Spring.
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Originally Posted by biketampa
https://m.facebook.com/HellholeGravelGrindStageRace/

This is a 2 day stage gravel race. ~75 miles each day. Also has a shorter 42 mile race first day. It's been around for a few years. Pancake flat but cool service roads through Francis Marion forest outside of Charleston, SC
That looks like alot of fun. Day trip away from me maybe more. As a newbie the the idea of a gravel race and with an old beater of a bike I am looking for something in a state closer to NJ.
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Originally Posted by wschruba
FYI, it's quite varied (mostly gravel/dirt) surfaces, but you can go from New Brunswick, NJ, to around Bethlehem, PA mostly on old canal towpaths. It's roughly 95-ish miles.

No organized rides, as far as I know.

On the east coast, I can't think of many, if any, similar length (mostly) off-road trails.
The Raritan Canal is great I used to often ride from New Brunswick to Princeton on the path...It would be a great venue for a race/ride. I moved away 10 years ago now in NWNJ. I have old rail to trail stuff but no organized events...
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nowhere near Jersey, but...

there is the Rouge Roubaix, which is a mixed surface race: Home

and Southern Cross, though this is "only" fifty miles: Southern Cross presented by Maxxis Tires - March 4, 2017 | Mountain Goat Adventures
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Does anybody on the east coast want to get together a ride on the Raritan Canal Towpath or Lehigh Canal Towpath or Delaware Canal Towpath? I think that would be a good ride between either of the three..
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Gravel riding/racing in the east is a different genre than DK. Some eastern gravel racing is just MTB racing on milder courses. The trails really are MTB trails and the races aren't all that long. For the longer eastern gravel races, these are my observations, but your mileage probably varies:

- DK, pretty hilly. East, some events are dead flat. Some are mountainous. You can find seriously long, seriously steep climbs and descents in the southeast gravel events. Texaco Hill wouldn't even rate as a foothill for some eastern events.

- DK roads are MUCH less maintained and have their wild, never-maintained sections. Eastern gravel events tend to be on pretty well maintained dirt and gravel. A DK enthusiast generally doesn't see tow paths and rails to trails as real gravel. At DK, you get just a few miles of pavement and probably 40% "civilized" gravel. The rest sees minimal or no maintenance. In the East, you tend to get 20%+ pavement and 75%+ of "civilized" gravel. At DK, you may get knocked off your bike by the big rocks. In the East, you're more likely to just slide out.

- You can take a road bike on DK, but your chances of finishing within the time limit with 25mm tires are pretty slim. In the east (except for the hybrid MTB/gravel races), you could do pretty well on 25mm tires, and 28mm is about as wide as you would ever need.

- Eastern gravel is a lot more like European gravel -- think Strade Bianche. DK has a lot more of an exploration feel to it -- think your favorite western movie.
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Originally Posted by FlashBazbo
In the east (except for the hybrid MTB/gravel races), you could do pretty well on 25mm tires, and 28mm is about as wide as you would ever need.
Like most things this is pretty regional down to the state level. Georgia gets too much rain and has few enough miles that most of our gravel is stone/aggregate mix and not dirt. By and large it's tough to ride on anything less than 32mm tires. There are obvious exceptions for short <5 mile sections closer to urban areas but for any contiguous course >5 miles a road bike won't be any fun and most likely would not finish within time limits.

The "east coast" is a huge area with a lot of geographic variety. 28mm tires most likely wouldn't be enough for even a small percentage of the unpaved roads available. Doubly so if one was planning to race and not just ride.
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Originally Posted by Spoonrobot
Like most things this is pretty regional down to the state level. Georgia gets too much rain and has few enough miles that most of our gravel is stone/aggregate mix and not dirt. By and large it's tough to ride on anything less than 32mm tires. There are obvious exceptions for short <5 mile sections closer to urban areas but for any contiguous course >5 miles a road bike won't be any fun and most likely would not finish within time limits.

The "east coast" is a huge area with a lot of geographic variety. 28mm tires most likely wouldn't be enough for even a small percentage of the unpaved roads available. Doubly so if one was planning to race and not just ride.

Southwest GA is full of beautiful red dirt (clay) roads!!!!!!!!
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If any of you guys in the vicinity of PA/NJ, I might be heading out on either the Lehigh Path or Raritan Canal Path this weekend (probably Saturday). The more the merrier rider wise.
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