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Old 07-29-19, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by holdfast5183 View Post
What size did you end up with? I have the 56cm Expat frame, and I feel like it runs just a bit to the small side. I'm looking at the Escapade frameset and considering going up a size and giving the 56 to my wife who is 5 foot 10.
I ended up with the 56cm frame. It fits me very well. (180cm (5'11') ; inseam 84cm (33'')).
I even put half of the spacers on the top to lower the handlebar a bit.

I haven't yet done very long rides but my frequently 30/40 km rides don't give me any pain (shoulders, back etc.);
my body seems to be quite happy with the geometry.

But well, size is always a personal thing, perhaps you can try out the 58cm frame somewhere.
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For those with steel frames, running 650b wheels/tires, what tires you are you running, what is their actual width and how much rear chainstay clearance do you have?

I'm a little dissapointed that the 650 x 48mm gravel kings, which measure out to 50mm (on my 22mm inner width rim), only leave ~2mm of clearance on each side. I know the max tire clearance is 47mm, but even at 47mm it would only leave 3-4mm of clearance on each side which is well below what I thought manufacturers use for determining max tire size (i thought they used 6mm). FYI I have 2019 Escapade frameset.
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Old 08-18-19, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by loheiman View Post
For those with steel frames, running 650b wheels/tires, what tires you are you running, what is their actual width and how much rear chainstay clearance do you have?

I'm a little dissapointed that the 650 x 48mm gravel kings, which measure out to 50mm (on my 22mm inner width rim), only leave ~2mm of clearance on each side. I know the max tire clearance is 47mm, but even at 47mm it would only leave 3-4mm of clearance on each side which is well below what I thought manufacturers use for determining max tire size (i thought they used 6mm). FYI I have 2019 Escapade frameset.
very interesting to hear that - I also plan in near future to test exactly the same setup on my Jamis Renegade Exploit bike. But I also tested a 700x50c Gravel Kings on my bike - it was a very tight fit but I managed to do that! To find out more and see the pictures please visit my website
https://gravelbikes.cc/tests/the-big...700x50c-tires/
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Old 08-18-19, 11:32 AM
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To find out more and see the pictures please visit my website
https://gravelbikes.cc/tests/the-big...700x50c-tires/
Or just post the pics and info here instead of directing people away from this website and to your personal site.
I have no idea why this practice is allowed on the forums since it drives away traffic, but to each their own.
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Old 08-19-19, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Or just post the pics and info here instead of directing people away from this website and to your personal site.
I have no idea why this practice is allowed on the forums since it drives away traffic, but to each their own.
I understand your comment. I should write much more here and not force you guys to visit my website. But again, I put a lot of effort in creating the content on my website and I believe that it could be interesting to you so naturally I want to invite you to my website rather than putting an article like post here.

Below you will find the pictures of my bike with 700x50c tire. As you can see it was a really tight fit and worked only after I piled of a fender mount near the bottom bracket and only at 20 psi because when I infalted the tire to 30 psi it started to rub my carbon fork. I managed to take all the measurement I needed but at the price of a slightly wiped paint on my fork.




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Old 08-20-19, 08:32 AM
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I wrote Jamis customer support regarding tire clearance and they confirmed that 3-4mm is expected at the max tire size, therefore going over that will leave less. :/
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Old 09-04-19, 06:48 PM
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Could anyone tell me the rear spacing on 2018 expat also does anyone have a stock 650b wheelset theyd wanna swap for a 700c wheelset ?
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Old 09-05-19, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by valve_timing View Post
Could anyone tell me the rear spacing on 2018 expat also does anyone have a stock 650b wheelset theyd wanna swap for a 700c wheelset ?
This one? https://bikepacking.com/news/2018-jamis-renegade-expat/
Specs are in there.
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thanks brotha
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I've got a 2018 Jamis Renegade Exploit.

Right now I primarily use it for commuting, but I plan on taking it to some gravel trails and bike paths and towing my son around in a bike trailer.

Questions:

Fenders: I want to get some fenders, but am at a loss for recommendations. I've seen mud butlers posted in this thread, but the rear fender looks like it doesn't go far enough around the back of the rear tire. My concern isn't for me, but for my son in the trailer. I've heard that if you don't have an adequate fender system, your kids will end up eating dust for most of the ride, so I'd like to avoid that if possible!

New wheels: I have the stock Clements set up tubeless and they're ok, but man do they feel sluggish on pavement. I'm not sure if it's the rim or the tire. I've got some Panaracer GravelKing 38 slicks coming in so I plan on mounting those, but have been toying with the idea of getting some new rims. Alloy is fine-keeping in mind primary use is for commuting and hitting potholes (I'm 170 pounds), and secondary use will be bike trails with the kiddo-any recommendations? I'd like to keep it under $500 for a new wheelset.

Thanks for any advice you can offer!
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Old 09-14-19, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nwin23 View Post
I've got a 2018 Jamis Renegade Exploit.

Right now I primarily use it for commuting, but I plan on taking it to some gravel trails and bike paths and towing my son around in a bike trailer.

Questions:

Fenders: I want to get some fenders, but am at a loss for recommendations. I've seen mud butlers posted in this thread, but the rear fender looks like it doesn't go far enough around the back of the rear tire. My concern isn't for me, but for my son in the trailer. I've heard that if you don't have an adequate fender system, your kids will end up eating dust for most of the ride, so I'd like to avoid that if possible!

New wheels: I have the stock Clements set up tubeless and they're ok, but man do they feel sluggish on pavement. I'm not sure if it's the rim or the tire. I've got some Panaracer GravelKing 38 slicks coming in so I plan on mounting those, but have been toying with the idea of getting some new rims. Alloy is fine-keeping in mind primary use is for commuting and hitting potholes (I'm 170 pounds), and secondary use will be bike trails with the kiddo-any recommendations? I'd like to keep it under $500 for a new wheelset.

Thanks for any advice you can offer!
I don't know anything about fenders so i won't comment there. But as far as the tires go, yeah switch them out. Keep the current wheels, new wheels won't gain you anything for your type of riding.
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Old 09-14-19, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by shoota View Post
I don't know anything about fenders so i won't comment there. But as far as the tires go, yeah switch them out. Keep the current wheels, new wheels won't gain you anything for your type of riding.
Think Ill notice a difference in the tires? Do the clements feel sluggish on roads to anyone else?

interesting about the wheels. I figured newer ones would at least be lighter and maybe easier to fit tubeless to-the i23s were kind of a pain.
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Originally Posted by nwin23 View Post
I've got a 2018 Jamis Renegade Exploit.

Right now I primarily use it for commuting, but I plan on taking it to some gravel trails and bike paths and towing my son around in a bike trailer.

Questions:

Fenders: I want to get some fenders, but am at a loss for recommendations. I've seen mud butlers posted in this thread, but the rear fender looks like it doesn't go far enough around the back of the rear tire. My concern isn't for me, but for my son in the trailer. I've heard that if you don't have an adequate fender system, your kids will end up eating dust for most of the ride, so I'd like to avoid that if possible!

New wheels: I have the stock Clements set up tubeless and they're ok, but man do they feel sluggish on pavement. I'm not sure if it's the rim or the tire. I've got some Panaracer GravelKing 38 slicks coming in so I plan on mounting those, but have been toying with the idea of getting some new rims. Alloy is fine-keeping in mind primary use is for commuting and hitting potholes (I'm 170 pounds), and secondary use will be bike trails with the kiddo-any recommendations? I'd like to keep it under $500 for a new wheelset.

Thanks for any advice you can offer!
I bought SKS AL46 fenders and fitted them but have not tested them. They don't have a mud flaps but PDW Full Metal Fenders do.

Have never used them but Mason Hunt wheels seem to be a popular choice for budget wheelsets at about $380. For $500 you can get a custom wheelset from Colorado Cyclist with DT Swiss 350 hubs and R500/R470 rims which is what I'll likely be doing soon.
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Originally Posted by nwin23 View Post
interesting about the wheels. I figured newer ones would at least be lighter and maybe easier to fit tubeless to-the i23s were kind of a pain.
Of course new ones will be lighter. I mean for: "primary use is for commuting and hitting potholes (I'm 170 pounds), and secondary use will be bike trails with the kiddo", nothing about that usage screams new wheelset to me. It's your money of course.

They clements are a little sluggish yes, new tires will help depending on what you get.
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Originally Posted by loheiman View Post
I bought SKS AL46 fenders and fitted them but have not tested them. They don't have a mud flaps but PDW Full Metal Fenders do.

Have never used them but Mason Hunt wheels seem to be a popular choice for budget wheelsets at about $380. For $500 you can get a custom wheelset from Colorado Cyclist with DT Swiss 350 hubs and R500/R470 rims which is what I'll likely be doing soon.
Yeah, I checked those wheels out at Colorado Cyclist...even using the same build info their price is cheaper than prowheelbuilder, plus they have a 10% discount going on right now (code: SUMMER).

I mounted the Gravelkings today on my existing rims so I figure I should try these out first before I look at spending $500 on wheels.

For fenders, it seems my options are pretty limited since I'm running 38's. Since people use the mud butlers here and have good things to say about them, I think I might try those out and see how the kiddo does. Worst case scenario I can add a strip of leather like a mudflap to the rear fender.
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I don't know anything about fenders so i won't comment there. But as far as the tires go, yeah switch them out. Keep the current wheels, new wheels won't gain you anything for your type of riding.
You are going to have to drop back to a 32 - 35MM tire to fit fenders. Challenge Strada Biancas are a nice really fast alternative in a 33mm. We use them with renegades and fenders in our shop all of the time. Fenders on a Renegade are da'bomb! Will help out keeping kids happy if you get into some rain, puddles or wet streets.
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Originally Posted by dwmckee View Post
You are going to have to drop back to a 32 - 35MM tire to fit fenders. Challenge Strada Biancas are a nice really fast alternative in a 33mm. We use them with renegades and fenders in our shop all of the time. Fenders on a Renegade are da'bomb! Will help out keeping kids happy if you get into some rain, puddles or wet streets.
I love how those tires ride, but they were almost impossible to mount on the stock i23 rims (needed bead jack, levers, and zip ties). Maybe the 33mm is a bit easier to mount than my 36's?
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