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Put the fastest tire on the slowest bike – Wow – fat tires can be fast

Old 09-14-17, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman
Ironically enough...had one of those today First fall on a bike in ~10 yrs. My own damn fault though...road over the painted line in the rain without realizing it. Think I may have jacked up my back pretty good

I'm not as young as I used to be. Stronger rider.....but definitely am not going to bounce back from this as quick as I used to. Could have fell off a house 10 years ago and felt about the same I think.
No tire can handle the painted lines.

Those metal plates are like ice too.


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Originally Posted by TimothyH
No tire can handle the painted lines.

Those metal plates are like ice too.


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Yea I know...I shouldn't have been on it in the first place...just wasn't paying attention. Still it was a bit odd though....I was going in a straight line, no turns...wheels just started going sideways lol.

Thanksfully....back improved since yesterday...seems I didn't do any damage other than old man general soreness...
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman
Ironically enough...had one of those today First fall on a bike in ~10 yrs. My own damn fault though...road over the painted line in the rain without realizing it. Think I may have jacked up my back pretty good
You were just telling us nobody rides in the rain!

I had my first rainy ride of the season last weekend. I even drove to ride in the slop. Enjoyed the rain smell, but not my pants wetting out. My phone died, I was able to send Beth a text “I’m on my way home,” but not to get the pictures off. Next day it was back to life but working funny. It seems ok now. Woodsy colors come out in the rain. The mist can be cool. The roads and trails empty out. Dirt turns to mud and my cleats don’t like that. And paint and metal and leaves all become death traps.



Water on the saddle. Yuck.
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Something I rarely hear now, but used to be the word when I raced 40 years ago was "put your fastest tire in back". If you had a racing silk and a training cotton and you wanted to win, that slower cotton would slow you the least up front.

Recently I rode my Mooney on the Trask Trail over the Oregon Coast Range. I was limited to 35c in back but put a 38 in front because I could. TG! The descents would have been very marginal flat-wise and scary with any smaller!) But what impressed me was that I didn't notice the bigger front tire on the ride out to the gravel. Likewise, my fastest bike now has a training level front ($35 Vredstein (sp?) and a nice, fast Vittoria Open Pave in back. The front was bought mid-ride after issues with an old Open Pave up front. Didn't notice the clunkier tire once I forgot about it.

I agree with the OP. Good tires are good. Narrower are not necessarily faster. The Vittoria Opwn Corsa G+ 28c's area sweet tire! I"d love it if they made them bigger.

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I agree the rear tire handles 50% more weight and all of the power transfer, so it is critical.

However I put my best tire on the front. I can go for a pure race tire on the front to save weight and ensure the best traction, while in the back I need something longer wearing and with decent flat protection. I can go for a decade without wearing out a front tire or getting a flat there. Back tire could be gone in a year.

But for gravel and off road, I definitely want the bigger tire up front. It gives me stability without much drag (at gravel speeds)
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Oh, best tire in back is for going fast and racing, not saving money! (Or going down steep hills on grave!)

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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
You were just telling us nobody rides in the rain!

I had my first rainy ride of the season last weekend. I even drove to ride in the slop. Enjoyed the rain smell, but not my pants wetting out. My phone died, I was able to send Beth a text “I’m on my way home,” but not to get the pictures off. Next day it was back to life but working funny. It seems ok now. Woodsy colors come out in the rain. The mist can be cool. The roads and trails empty out. Dirt turns to mud and my cleats don’t like that. And paint and metal and leaves all become death traps.



Water on the saddle. Yuck.
I know, I did lol I'm not most people though...I'm out when it's 15F and snowing. Not that that makes me special...just stupid

I'd actually be curious to know what percentage of people that ride on a consistent basis also ride consistently when it rains. I'm fairly certain it's well below 50%...but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.

That looks like a nice trail. I'm going to start doing some more off road stuff before the weather turns icky. I've got a few hardpack dirt and gravel trails around me that are really nice. In nice weather, my 40mm commuting tires are perfect for them.

The more I bike...the more I'm realizing I need/want like 2-3 nice bikes. Or at least 2, with a 2nd set of wheels. Using one for everything is starting to become challenging. Need to cover commuting/cyclocross(and off roadish stuff/road riding. The commuter bike I've got. A second set of 9spd wheels would cover trails/cyclocross pretty well (but damn...I'd still have to futz with the fenders.....).

Still kicking around the idea of getting a nice road bike. havent quite gotten there yet though lol.

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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
You were just telling us nobody rides in the rain!

I had my first rainy ride of the season last weekend. I even drove to ride in the slop. Enjoyed the rain smell, but not my pants wetting out. My phone died, I was able to send Beth a text “I’m on my way home,” but not to get the pictures off. Next day it was back to life but working funny. It seems ok now. Woodsy colors come out in the rain. The mist can be cool. The roads and trails empty out. Dirt turns to mud and my cleats don’t like that. And paint and metal and leaves all become death traps.

Water on the saddle. Yuck.
I rode in the rain last night and got some good cross practice cornering on wet grass; I actually find that kind of stuff fun because it reminds me of being a kid. But, yeah...I'm not a fan of riding on the roadways in the rain. Drivers can't seem to drive well enough when it is a nice day. Add in crappy weather and I get the feeling like the target on my back becomes much bigger.

Mountain biking in the rain is fun and peaceful, but you have to remember not to chew up the trails and just go a bit slower because roots get extremely dicey when they are wet. Still fun though.

Regarding the phone...I use the Lifeproof case for my phone and it keeps it dry even in downpours (or dropping it in the bathtub.) The case doesn't seem to add too much bulk either.
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman

I'd actually be curious to know what percentage of people that ride on a consistent basis also ride consistently when it rains. I'm fairly certain it's well below 50%...but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.


The more I bike...the more I'm realizing I need/want like 2-3 nice bikes.
1) that is easy. count the number of bikes with fenders. I just use a seat post fender, but that is the minimum requirement for regular wet riding (except mountain biking where I'm getting muddy either way).

2) I have 7 (or more), and about 2-3 times as many wheelsets...
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Originally Posted by chas58
1) that is easy. count the number of bikes with fenders. I just use a seat post fender, but that is the minimum requirement for regular wet riding (except mountain biking where I'm getting muddy either way).

2) I have 7 (or more), and about 2-3 times as many wheelsets...
Hah. I actually have 7 (or more...) as well. But most of them are project/refurbish/vintage bikes. I've got 1 i put most of my miles on, plus a vintage bianchi that's a very nice rider, plus my beater trek 850 snow bike.
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I ride in the rain, but without fenders, as a personal preference. I'm going to get soaked anyway, I'm going to take a shower when I get home and then wash my clothes. Fenders just aren't worth the hassle or the price.
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman
I know, I did lol I'm not most people though...I'm out when it's 15F and snowing. Not that that makes me special...just stupid
You'll catch me out in those conditions, but it's less likely to be on a bike.

Here's a picture of me catching frostbite on a stormy 12 F day. Skiing up Ambilis Mountain was a lot of work, it kept me warm; back down was another story. When I got back to the parking lot, I couldn't use my fingers well enough to open the zipper pocket with my key, I had to wait for someone else to show up and talk them into helping me get into my own pocket. Fingertips tingled kind of painfully for a couple weeks. I learned my lesson, though.



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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
I ride in the rain, but without fenders, as a personal preference. I'm going to get soaked anyway
For me it's more about the filth than the water, particularly for the bike. They also make a rain bike more paceline-polite.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
I ride in the rain, but without fenders, as a personal preference. I'm going to get soaked anyway, I'm going to take a shower when I get home and then wash my clothes. Fenders just aren't worth the hassle or the price.
Well..if I'm not mistaken we get a different sort of rain here...when it rains, it RAINS. Not so much light, all day stuff. So very often we have soaked streets, but nothing actually coming down.
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Originally Posted by HTupolev
For me it's more about the filth than the water, particularly for the bike. They also make a rain bike more paceline-polite.
I'm sure that's 100 % true. The last time I drafted with somebody was the spring before this one, I couldn't tell you before that. It was one of the guy's first rides of the year and he wanted to trade pulling and drafting to save energy. That was around Lake Washington for me, I rode with this guy from the U to Kenmore. His Garmin kept beeping every mile and it was confusing the hell out of me because I was sure I'd turned the sound off on mine but it was the same chime, took me a while to figure it out.

Fitting fenders can be a pain, and having ones that aren't really right is a pain. The front one gets in the way of track standing at lights. I lean the bike, rear tire against something, to stand it up, a fender would prevent that.
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman
Ironically enough...had one of those today First fall on a bike in ~10 yrs. My own damn fault though...road over the painted line in the rain without realizing it. Think I may have jacked up my back pretty good

I'm not as young as I used to be. Stronger rider.....but definitely am not going to bounce back from this as quick as I used to. Could have fell off a house 10 years ago and felt about the same I think.
My second to last wipe out was that. A car that I thought was going to stop before the cross walk did not. I had just come from the trails and had a lot of mud on my tires and I was no match for the wet painted line. I was riding with flats and almost saved it but my head was going slightly faster than my feet, I didn't finally hit the ground until off the road about 15 feet from the bike
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