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Recommend 28 mm tubeless tires for Enve SES 4.5 AR Disc rims?

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Recommend 28 mm tubeless tires for Enve SES 4.5 AR Disc rims?

Old 09-13-17, 01:20 PM
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Recommend 28 mm tubeless tires for Enve SES 4.5 AR Disc rims?

About 2/3 of my miles are paved and the other 1/3 are on mostly dirt roads. No tread required or wanted.

Iíve been using Schwalbe Pro Ones and love them on pavement. They would be perfect if they offered more protection from sidewall cuts. Iíd like something as supple and fast rolling as possible with more flat protection.

Iím only interested in 28 mm.
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I tend to use tubes below 30mm, but you can always check out this chart:
Gravel Tires - Riding Gravel's Reference Guide

The Gravel king (no the SK!) would work. Most manufacturers (other than Schwalbe) design tires that small to use tubes.
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Agreed. Everyone I know that tried tubeless with 28s went back to tubes. The pressure is just too high.
I know you said only 28s but the Maxxis Refuse gets great reviews and I'm not sure if it might run narrow, worth looking into. Otherwise, yeah, GKs.

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I've had really good luck with the Hutchinson fusion (25c) tubeless, so you could try them in a 28 (noted as "coming soon" on their website)
I run my 25s at 70-80 front and 80-90 rear without issue - but my wheels are rated for those pressures with tubeless - i'd think your wheels are too
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It sounds like the Hutchinson Fusion will be great when they're available, maybe I can hope for them in the spring. Am I reading right that Gravel Kings don't start being tubeless compatible until they're too big?

There has to be another option, this is crazy limiting.

How are IRC's tires? Formula Pro is tubeless and 28 mm, and looks like a road tire.

For what it's worth, my rims have a max pressure of only 80 psi. I tend to run anywhere from 60 to about 75 psi depending whether I'm planning to ride good pavement or something bad. After years and years on a skinny tire bike, that feels like pretty low pressure to em.
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Hutchinson Sector FTW. Comes in 28, tubeless, and made for pave. Not as light and supple as the Pro Ones, but does really well when the pavement ends.
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I think you're limiting yourself by only considering 28c while looking for a tire that is supple and as fast rolling as possible with more flat protection.

Check out the WTB Exposure 30.
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I just ordered a pair of IRC Formula Pro Tubeless Light.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I just ordered a pair of IRC Formula Pro Tubeless Light.
Please report back on how they ride.

With such a narrow "pressure window" based on the manufacturer's recommendations (IRC 80-100psi, ENVE max 80psi) I'm especially curious how they ride.
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Will do. I got word today the wheels are ready to pick up. I'm going to drive 200 miles to get them tomorrow. Tires and cassette should arrive before I leave. Shop will set them up Saturday. Might be the first time an LBS gets tipped in wine instead of beer.
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ENVE SES 4.5AR Disc Carbon Clincher Wheelset
$2,900.00
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Originally Posted by Garfield Cat View Post
ENVE SES 4.5AR Disc Carbon Clincher Wheelset
$2,900.00
The price is dependent on hub selection.

Is there some point you're trying to make by posting the price of his wheels?
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Originally Posted by cycloaptrgangr View Post
The price is dependent on hub selection.

Is there some point you're trying to make by posting the price of his wheels?
No specific point intended. Just that ENVE wheels are "top of the line" wheels. Then I would think that the hub selection would be consistent with the wheels, also tops.

One thing: good bike frame design and good wheels go together.
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Originally Posted by Garfield Cat View Post
No specific point intended. Just that ENVE wheels are "top of the line" wheels. Then I would think that the hub selection would be consistent with the wheels, also tops.
Yes. $2900 is the base price w/DT 240s.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
... For what it's worth, my rims have a max pressure of only 80 psi. I tend to run anywhere from 60 to about 75 psi depending whether I'm planning to ride good pavement or something bad. ..
4.5ARs are one of my indulgencies for my new bike - downhill seems so secure, not sure how much that is attributable to frame and how much wheel/tire combo.
Wish I was a stronger cyclist to get full value from the 4.5ARs.
Only problem I have had with the Schwalbe Pro One is how tight they fit, thus removing them is a hassle (not sure how that will work out on the road if it is ever necessary).

my 2c re pressure - I keep mine below 70psi in view of 80max - not much good quality pavement up in Ontario, and 60psi seems great to me (and occassionally when I have checked pressure has been below 55psi with no problem)
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