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Old 12-07-17, 09:43 AM   #1
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Recommendations tubeless tires for hardpack/dry conditions

I have a CX bike that I mainly use for gravel-type riding in dry conditions. I am currently using Schwalbe CX Comp clinchers which are really cheap. They are not the lightest, but not terribly heavy either, and they seem really good in terms of puncture protection, I have only had one puncture during the 1000 miles I have been using them so far.

However, I am running them at around 50 psi and would like to experiment with lower pressures. Given I am 85kg I was thinking going tubeless for that but I am struggling to find a tubeless tyre that is similar to the CX Comp, with a fairly smooth center tread and more pronounced profiling at the edges? Can anyone recommend a tire they've been using?

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Specialized Trigger Pros -- 1 flat in 3 years (and that was when I was using tubes).
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Specialized Trigger Pros -- 1 flat in 3 years (and that was when I was using tubes).
Thanks! Those look nice but a little pricey...are there tubeless and non-tubeless versions or is there just one version that can do both? I can't really figure that out from the product pages I am seeing here...
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One version that can do both.
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Clement MSO X'Plor
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Clement USH would be a better option than the MSO
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I'm on IRC Formula Pro, running 28 mm tires tubelessly (they're made for it) on wide rims, getting 32 or 33 mm of rubber on the road. Smooth center, "micro-herringbone" shoulders. They work very well for me. They're nice tires, light and supple on pavement, and they work well on hard pack and rocky dirt roads.

All great tires are pricey. You can get some of them on sale. Not these.

These are pretty comparable to Pro Ones, maybe slightly less supple, but they are much more resistant to sidewall cuts.
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Dry and hardpack, give the Vittoria Terrene Dry a look. Rolls quite a bit quicker than GravelKings.
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I have a CX bike that I mainly use for gravel-type riding in dry conditions. I am currently using Schwalbe CX Comp clinchers which are really cheap. They are not the lightest, but not terribly heavy either, and they seem really good in terms of puncture protection, I have only had one puncture during the 1000 miles I have been using them so far.

However, I am running them at around 50 psi and would like to experiment with lower pressures. Given I am 85kg I was thinking going tubeless for that but I am struggling to find a tubeless tyre that is similar to the CX Comp, with a fairly smooth center tread and more pronounced profiling at the edges? Can anyone recommend a tire they've been using?

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CX Comp seems like a lot of hefty tread for dry, hardpack conditions. I might suggest looking at something more along the lines of Schwalbe's tubeless G-1 Speed, which has lightweight construction and a low, textured tread pattern for low rolling resistance. If you can fit a 30c tire, I can recommend it (at least in it's previous iteration, the S-One, which shares tread pattern with G1 Speed) as it has been a really good performer on the primarily dry, hardpack I ride.
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Dry and hardpack, give the Vittoria Terrene Dry a look. Rolls quite a bit quicker than GravelKings.
Terreno Dry looks cool, but it rolls "quite a bit quicker" than GravelKings? That I'm surprised to hear, both because, despite sharing similarly high TPI casings (120tpi Terreno, 127 GK), the Terreno has a heartier tread pattern and substantially more weight than the GravelKing. 31mm Terreno weighs 400gm, while a 32mm GK comes in at 290gm, for example.

Or did you mean GravelKing SK?
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Terreno Dry looks cool, but it rolls "quite a bit quicker" than GravelKings? That I'm surprised to hear, both because, despite sharing similarly high TPI casings (120tpi Terreno, 127 GK), the Terreno has a heartier tread pattern and substantially more weight than the GravelKing. 31mm Terreno weighs 400gm, while a 32mm GK comes in at 290gm, for example.

Or did you mean GravelKing SK?
I was talking the SK. Thus comparing 40(ish)mm GK SK to 40(ish)mm Vittoria heavily favors the Vittoria.
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I'm on IRC Formula Pro, running 28 mm tires tubelessly (they're made for it) on wide rims, getting 32 or 33 mm of rubber on the road. Smooth center, "micro-herringbone" shoulders. They work very well for me. They're nice tires, light and supple on pavement, and they work well on hard pack and rocky dirt roads.

All great tires are pricey. You can get some of them on sale. Not these.

These are pretty comparable to Pro Ones, maybe slightly less supple, but they are much more resistant to sidewall cuts.
Oh, so you have the newest model, with the textured tread! Cool! Which model are you running? I just ordered up some RBCC 25c, but I haven't received them yet; I mail-ordered them out of the UK, for $135/pr delivered, which I reckon wasn't too bad, yet definitely pricey. That's actually less than I was paying for the original Schwalbe One when they came out, though the price on Pro One seems to average a little lower than the original. I hope tubeless prices start to fall, but as you say, all the really great rubber simply costs a lot.
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Clement USH would be a better option than the MSO
I've used both and agree they're both great tires. I've found the MSO does indeed roll a bit slower but the difference isn't large. Also, I've found that MSOs are a bit more versatile and available in more widths.
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I've used both and agree they're both great tires. I've found the MSO does indeed roll a bit slower but the difference isn't large. Also, I've found that MSOs are a bit more versatile and available in more widths.
Regarding availability, though the Clement brand is no longer being associated with these tire models, Donnelly, the company which had licensed use the Clement brand, has said they will continue the models under the Donnelly label. It may be that if a preferred Clement MSO width is hard to find, it may be available as a Donnelly MSO, for example.
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Oh, so you have the newest model, with the textured tread! Cool! Which model are you running? I just ordered up some RBCC 25c, but I haven't received them yet; I mail-ordered them out of the UK, for $135/pr delivered, which I reckon wasn't too bad, yet definitely pricey. That's actually less than I was paying for the original Schwalbe One when they came out, though the price on Pro One seems to average a little lower than the original. I hope tubeless prices start to fall, but as you say, all the really great rubber simply costs a lot.
Mine are IRC Formula Pro, I think it's the same compound you have. I asked around before I bought them and while I found some reviews online, nobody I knew had ever ridden them, so I felt like I was rolling the dice. But I'm very pleased.

I love Pro Ones on pavement but I've had too many sidewall cuts with them. The last one happened as soon as the pavement ended, a sharp rock embedded in the dirt ended my ride, the cut was too big for the sealant to hold and I couldn't make a good enough boot to protect a tube. I don't think the IRCs are quite as supple, but the difference is small, and I'm happy with the tradeoff.
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I like my Riddlers & I think you can use them tubeless
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I run the 700x45 Riddler tubeless...did the DK100 with them and they were flawless as far as I’m concerned. Oddly enough, I had one start to lose air over the summer...assumed it had something to do with my semi ghetto setup and just kept adding air every few days. Turns out after a few weeks I realized I had a roofing nail in there, which by then had worked it’s way into the sidewall enough that I decided to replace the tire....with another Riddler
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Mine are IRC Formula Pro, I think it's the same compound you have. I asked around before I bought them and while I found some reviews online, nobody I knew had ever ridden them, so I felt like I was rolling the dice. But I'm very pleased.

I love Pro Ones on pavement but I've had too many sidewall cuts with them. The last one happened as soon as the pavement ended, a sharp rock embedded in the dirt ended my ride, the cut was too big for the sealant to hold and I couldn't make a good enough boot to protect a tube. I don't think the IRCs are quite as supple, but the difference is small, and I'm happy with the tradeoff.
The whole line is called Formula Pro, with three iterations: Light, RBCC, and X-Guard. I also had zero luck finding any user feedback, but I did recall an old interview with Bill Shook of American Classic from a couple-or-three years ago talkign about how he prefers IRC and Schwalbe for his tubeless wheels, so that was enticing, as I'm putting them on AC wheels!

Anyway, more to the point, my RBCC 25c arrived today, and while they look and feel pretty nice, they mounted up surprisingly small on my 19.4mm bsw AC Argents, coming in 25.7mm. For comparison, I have 23c Schwalbe Pro One on another of the same wheelset and they measure wider, at 26mm. I triple checked the readings, and the 23c P1 are definitely wider than the 25c FPs.

One would probably want to go with the 28s for dirt road work on these, even on fast hardpack. I mean, it can be done, but why go out of your way to source these when there are plenty of very good options.

I am looking forward, nonetheless, to running these FPs on the road, but with our first snowstorm of the year laying down close to 12" right now, it'll be a few months!
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I run the 700x45 Riddler tubeless...did the DK100 with them and they were flawless as far as I’m concerned. Oddly enough, I had one start to lose air over the summer...assumed it had something to do with my semi ghetto setup and just kept adding air every few days. Turns out after a few weeks I realized I had a roofing nail in there, which by then had worked it’s way into the sidewall enough that I decided to replace the tire....with another Riddler
oh dam but glad you liked them enough to get another. I like mine (45mm). been experimenting with pressures for flotation + speed. really like them





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The whole line is called Formula Pro, with three iterations: Light, RBCC, and X-Guard. I also had zero luck finding any user feedback, but I did recall an old interview with Bill Shook of American Classic from a couple-or-three years ago talkign about how he prefers IRC and Schwalbe for his tubeless wheels, so that was enticing, as I'm putting them on AC wheels!

Anyway, more to the point, my RBCC 25c arrived today, and while they look and feel pretty nice, they mounted up surprisingly small on my 19.4mm bsw AC Argents, coming in 25.7mm. For comparison, I have 23c Schwalbe Pro One on another of the same wheelset and they measure wider, at 26mm. I triple checked the readings, and the 23c P1 are definitely wider than the 25c FPs.

One would probably want to go with the 28s for dirt road work on these, even on fast hardpack. I mean, it can be done, but why go out of your way to source these when there are plenty of very good options.

I am looking forward, nonetheless, to running these FPs on the road, but with our first snowstorm of the year laying down close to 12" right now, it'll be a few months!
Gotcha. I understood that for about an hour, right before I ordered them, but that was months ago.

I started a thread in here saying they're good tires, specifically because it was so hard to find any user feedback and I wanted to make that easier for the next guy. Which turned out to be you, and my effort wasn't any help. Oh well. I'll be real curious to hear your thoughts after you've had them a while. I'm especially curious to hear your thoughts on how they ride compared to the Pro Ones.

Mine look a little narrow, too, but I don't have anything to measure them accurately with, just my eyes.
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Gotcha. I understood that for about an hour, right before I ordered them, but that was months ago.

I started a thread in here saying they're good tires, specifically because it was so hard to find any user feedback and I wanted to make that easier for the next guy. Which turned out to be you, and my effort wasn't any help. Oh well. I'll be real curious to hear your thoughts after you've had them a while. I'm especially curious to hear your thoughts on how they ride compared to the Pro Ones.

Mine look a little narrow, too, but I don't have anything to measure them accurately with, just my eyes.
No, you were helpful to me! Your enthusiasm for the tire gave me courage to buy them. As you know, there are lots of readily available tire options in the premium segment, so it’s nice being encouraged to go out of the way for some!
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However, I am running them at around 50 psi and would like to experiment with lower pressures. Given I am 85kg I was thinking going tubeless for that but I am struggling to find a tubeless tyre that is similar to the CX Comp, with a fairly smooth center tread and more pronounced profiling at the edges? Can anyone recommend a tire they've been using?
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you need to specify what size you need. If you are on a CX bike, you may not be able to go bigger than 35mm, while a lot of people like 40mm+ for gravel.

Schwalbe makes a new tubeless CX model like yours, although any tubeless tire is going to be $50+++ Schwalbe's do tend to be faster rolling than a lot of other tires.

Also need to know if you care about speed weight or puncture protection.

I've used Schwable G-one (all around and speed) and Maxxis Ramblers for what you describe. I think they are fantastic for gravel or even cross racing.
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